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perisoft
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: Return of the Standard Definition |
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Since everybody's all about the highdef stuff now ("Look at the same eight movies we have!") I figured I'd put some standard def shots up as I get my HT going.
So, presumably, or at least hopefully, there will be a progression of quality. OK. Today's theme: Ephemeral things.
Screen's kinda bent right now, just an old hunk of foam board with a couple of layers of fabric (blackout and then a layer of pretty bright white stuff) stretched on with duct tape and tacks. 
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Wow look at the beautiful soft focus look, no peskey sharp corners or scan lines in those shots 
What resolution are you running at.
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Fujifrontier
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I have scan lines from component-in. Prolly 'cos it's such an old beastie, right?
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perisoft
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1440x960p. The bandwidth isn't an issue with the 808s; I can't see any difference on the tubes between 1080p and 1080i. But at the moment my main astig is way the hell off because I did a total tube swap, so it's soft. And the optical focus is rough at best.
Still, it's resolving 1440x960 if a bit soft all the way around. Full white/black hashes aren't totally sharp but with 720x480 upscaled that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I'd like to be running limitedsharpen on the 1440x960 output, but my cpu won't handle that right now.
I'd love to see other standard def screenshots with various scalers, etc, because everybody posts hidef now and honestly I have no desire to move to HD due to cost plus limited library plus inability to timeshift rentals via a big queue on my hard drives (10x greater size...).
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perisoft
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Tonight's theme: CG movies which look surprisingly good in SD.
The second picture is a zoom, not a crop; same frame. There's some noise from the camera; I shot at high ISO as these were hand-held 1/3rd second exposures anyway. I actually had to give up on a night scene because it was too damned dark, even though it was easy to see in real life. Now that's black level! 
PS: If you get broken links, shift-reload or right click and view. For some reason firefox and my server don't seem to be playing well for me, even though the files are fine. WTF? Who knows.
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Anyone seen the "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" Extreme DVD? I just got it the other day, popped it in and man this thing looks killer. They really juiced it up, always makes me wonder if you can get this good of a image out of a DVD, why would there be such a big push for HD DVD's.
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AnalogRocks
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More resolution, I've watched The Matrix a few times now in highdef. I keep seeing things that I didn't with the regular DVD. Kinda like the first time you go from a 27: tv to a 7 foot wide screen. You see some stuff you missed before.
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I'm thinkin that it's not HD everyone is so jazzed about, it's that they now have a decent display device. HD if and when they do watch something show in it, is just icing on the cake. My PJ using only SD DVD's probably outperforms 99.9% of the displays people are using, even if they are watching in HD.
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perisoft
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Deron, that's part of it. Though HD is wasted on the majority of HD displays being sold right now. A 40" display fifteen feet across somebody's living room is like watching one of our screens from twenty feet back; at that distance the resolution hardly matters. And with the thing set up to 'pop' from best buy the quality there is going to be unphenomenal, HD or not.
The most idiotic thing I saw today was a 40" 720p LCD panel which - what a deal! - came with a BUILD IN DVD PLAYER! Not an HD DVD player... an SD DVD player. So you can enjoy... nonupscaled... SD... content... on your HD screen.
Still, I meant this thread to be a screenshot war for SD material, not an argument about HD. Anybody with SD screenshots? Particularly ones with scalers other than HTPCs; I'm really interested in that. At least an SD screenshot will really let you see what detail is in the original image, unlike taking a photo of a screen running 1920 pixels horizontally and scaling it down to 800x480...
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I could post some screenshots from HD-XA1 scaling The Incredibles to 1080i on my old lowly 1271. It looks really nice. Damn nice, I'd say. Then, I'll post a screen shot or two from the NBC OTA broadcast I captured of The Incredibles in 1080i HD. I'll say this: It won't be pretty.
SD looks great, until you see it next to great HD. Then, it's glaringly, horribly, in your face obvious that you're simply working with almost six times the resolution. No way around it. It's ESPECIALLY noticeable on a big screen.
All I can say is, DO NOT - I repeat - DO NOT watch any HD on your display because once you do, your perception will be colored forever. It's like using your 3 year-old computer. It never seemed slow.... that is, until you used somebody else's brand new one. Then, it seemed REALLY slow.
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Fujifrontier
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Coloured, you say?
Like sony glycol?
I know the feeling you're describing.
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perisoft
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| ecrabb wrote: | I could post some screenshots from HD-XA1 scaling The Incredibles to 1080i on my old lowly 1271. It looks really nice. Damn nice, I'd say. Then, I'll post a screen shot or two from the NBC OTA broadcast I captured of The Incredibles in 1080i HD. I'll say this: It won't be pretty.
SD looks great, until you see it next to great HD. Then, it's glaringly, horribly, in your face obvious that you're simply working with almost six times the resolution. No way around it. It's ESPECIALLY noticeable on a big screen.
All I can say is, DO NOT - I repeat - DO NOT watch any HD on your display because once you do, your perception will be colored forever. It's like using your 3 year-old computer. It never seemed slow.... that is, until you used somebody else's brand new one. Then, it seemed REALLY slow.
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Yeah. I've seen some trailers and stuff, and they do look pretty... sparklysharp.  I just can't see limiting myself to a tiny, expensive library of movies. And the ability to timeshift is really, really important, which makes the space constraints a bastard.
And actually, I'd love to see the upscaled shots. Post away!
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Hi. Does anyone of you own the Terry Pratchett movie "Hogfather" on DVD and could make some screenshots of it? Would be really nice. I'd like to know hows the difference between a proper upscaled DVD version and the HD version broadcasted on Pro7 Germany at the moment.
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| deronmoped wrote: | I'm thinkin that it's not HD everyone is so jazzed about, it's that they now have a decent display device. HD if and when they do watch something show in it, is just icing on the cake. My PJ using only SD DVD's probably outperforms 99.9% of the displays people are using, even if they are watching in HD.
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Nope. HD on crt pj is the icing, the cake, and the knife
I have probably 1000 SD-DVD's and they are all but dead to me. Any title I get in HD I give the SD to my friend, the rest are just there in case I get the urge to watch them.
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stefuel
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I have not bought into the HD DVD/ BD yet but have made a interesting observation with Directv. The other night Shrek was on in HD (1080I). I know there is something going on with D's HD cause my SD version scaled to 1440X960P looks better than the HD version. What's up with that? I have just ordered a HD Fury so that I can upgrade my provider to Verizon Fios for a cleaner signal and lower price. When the Fury arrives, jtnfoly is going to let me borrow his HD DVD player to test it.
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Ever since I got the HDfury and HD-A2 hooked up to my 1272 I have been spending a lot of time watching my sd-dvd's upscaled. They look great, not as good as hd-dvd's but still, a nicely tuned crt on a 84" screen is hard to beat. I love it and so does everyone that sees it.
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