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BlackSabbath
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: Sorry guys, my CRT days are over |
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I hate to say this, but after being on the dark side for years I have purchased a VPL-VW50 (Pearl) and crossed over to the gray side. Being a college student, CRT was getting to be too much for me, I needed something easier so now I am gonna have to put the old 4000g up for sale, sad to see it go.
I have to say, although not completely as perfect as CRT blacks, I am much happier with the black level of the Pearl than I thought I would be (coming from an LC CRT projector with perfect blacks). And if any of you guys here on the dark side are looking to cross over to gray, I can definitely say that LCOS (or as sny cals it, SXRD) is the best solution. DLP is not film-like at all to me, however although not as film-like as CRT, LCOS comes really freakin close!
I will never forget the days I used to spend hours and hours on this, and the AVS CRT section reading every single post about CRT I could find, and bringing digital owners over to my house and showing them the picture quality of my CRT.
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AnalogRocks
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Finaly giving up on your 4000 eh? Mines still not running right. PITA. You'll come back to the dark side one day. That deal will jump out at you and you won't be able to resist.
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WanMan
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Buying a used digital, eh? At least you haven't change in the new vs used departments. 
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draganm
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if I was college I couldn't imagine having a giant CRt projector lying around like the fat chick-you screwed the night before  CRT's are for home owners with dedicated theatre rooms. Soooo, by tthe time you graduate and buy a home the Pearl will be DOA and you'll be ready for a real projector again. 
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Fujifrontier
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| draganm wrote: | | if I was college I couldn't imagine having a giant CRt projector lying around |
why not?????? if my old dorm had enough throw distance I would have set one up!
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | if I was college I couldn't imagine having a giant CRt projector lying around like the fat chick-you screwed the night before |
sh*t, when I was in college I could barely imagine affording a pitcher of beer, let alone a multi-kilobuck toy to watch movies with.  College students nowadays obviously have very different budgets than I did!!!
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Clarence
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| garyfritz wrote: | | sh*t, when I was in college I could barely imagine affording a pitcher of beer, let alone a multi-kilobuck toy to watch movies with. College students nowadays obviously have very different budgets than I did!!! |
Yep... 22 years ago I had the only 19" color TV in the whole dorm... prime time TV via rabbit ears was always an excuse for a party. Then we had to walk uphill both ways to whatever bar had nickel beer night. Once we moved into an apartment, we'd holler from our balcony to round up 7 other people to pool $5/each for a keg of Mil's Beast. Mmmm.... cheap beer.
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NateTTU
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I'm graduating from college in two weeks, I must say that I believe the intership/summer jobs pay much better than they use to. Working at one co-op and just about every summer (no job during semesters) I'm still able to afford all my housing, food, entertainment/crts, speakers, soon to get an engagement ring, and still have enough to put down a large chunk on the college tuition debt (got out with a small amount) and soon to purchase a house within the year. I guess it all takes good planning but getting paid better doesn't hurt at all. 
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oliverg
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 All those years ago - Hooters wasn't around so students could earn good money?
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Brian Hampton
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Hi,
I've been following the SXRD projectors out of curiosity. I love how they get better AND cheaper. And now I know where they can be picked up re-furbished as well.
Maybe soon they will have more geometry and convergence controls and other features we already enjoy with our CRT FP's.
I've only seen the Ruby and that was a short demo but it looked pretty good.
I think my G70 will last a really, really, long time since I re-tubed it with new tubes a last year but it's nice to know that those sxrd thingies are pretty good and getting better and at the same time getting way cheaper as well.
I'm not ready to move to sxrd anytime soon but I like the way the sxrd stuff is shaping up.
-Brian
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garyfritz
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| NateTTU wrote: | | I'm graduating from college in two weeks, I must say that I believe the intership/summer jobs pay much better than they use to. |
I'm sure. In college I worked for NASA -- yes, I WAS a rocket scientist -- writing programs to monitor Atlas and Titan rockets (launching satellites, Viking Mars landers, etc) prior to launch. I got paid the princely sum of $2.25 an hour. Granted this was 30 years ago (eeek!!), but that was still lousy money. I could barely pay rent on my fleabag apartment. It was a "professional learning experience," not a way to save up money.
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NateTTU
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Yes times indeed have changed and the internship wage has gone up quite a bit. Frankly, it blows my mind as I don't think I'm worth that amount of money, my parents work a ton harder than I do and I was making a little more than the both of them combined. Granted, my parents do not have high paying jobs by any means but it almost seems unfair what some people have to work and get paid verses what I will do and other people like me and our compensation.
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Brian Hampton
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Hey,
I was an intern at NASA Ames for a year and was truely pissed off about making $6.25 there. They wanted me to stay at the end of the internship but I was so gone. Of course,... my fleabag apartment which was the size of my current living room was nearly 2K a month in rent since it was in the bay area at the height of the dot com non-sense so I think my frustration was justified.
=Brian
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emdawgz1
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You're giving up CRT's and getting married?!?!?
You poor miserable bastage.... well 1 less competitor in the race for g90 perfection.
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Fujifrontier
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yes, but i'm taking his place... but don't worry... won't be for years to come
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BlackSabbath
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So to give you guys an update, I am overall pretty happy with this Pearl.
The times where I get reminded that this is NOT a CRT are mainly when credits are rolling (white text rolling up an all black screen on a CRT is just unbeatable) and flesh tones.
While the color is great on this projector, nothing compares to how natural the flestones are on a good CRT, especially a 9" LC set.
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ecrabb
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Glad you're mostly happy with your choice. The size, ease of setup, lack of maintenance, quietness, brightness, and excellent ANSI contrast are all good things. I just don't *like* the picture on digital projectors (at least those that aren't stratospherically priced). There's just something so film-like, magical even, about a nice CRT image that I love - that just isn't in the affordable digital, yet.
I'm not even a freak for black like some are, but the color - fleshtones, gradients, subtleties in tone, and the lack of digital noise - those are all the things I can't give up right now. The current state of digital just doesn't offer me the right price/performance mix... Yet. I know it will get there, eventually - probably a couple years, I'd guess.
For now, I'm thrilled with the performance I get from my CRT. I'm going to do one more CRT upgrade - to 8" EM/LC. That machine should last me until there's an affordable digital I like. I think. Either good new stuff will be affordable by then, or this year's expensive hot stuff will be cheap used (assuming it still works).
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BlackSabbath
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| ecrabb wrote: | Glad you're mostly happy with your choice. The size, ease of setup, lack of maintenance, quietness, brightness, and excellent ANSI contrast are all good things. I just don't *like* the picture on digital projectors (at least those that aren't stratospherically priced). There's just something so film-like, magical even, about a nice CRT image that I love - that just isn't in the affordable digital, yet.
I'm not even a freak for black like some are, but the color - fleshtones, gradients, subtleties in tone, and the lack of digital noise - those are all the things I can't give up right now. The current state of digital just doesn't offer me the right price/performance mix... Yet. I know it will get there, eventually - probably a couple years, I'd guess.
For now, I'm thrilled with the performance I get from my CRT. I'm going to do one more CRT upgrade - to 8" EM/LC. That machine should last me until there's an affordable digital I like. I think. Either good new stuff will be affordable by then, or this year's expensive hot stuff will be cheap used (assuming it still works).
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Honestly, I totally agree about how CRT is more film like, which it is, however when you speak of these digitals that are very expensive, most of the really expensive ones are 3-chip DLP but honestly I prefer LCOS over DLP any day.
Yes, DLP is sharper, but obviously a CRT guy is not concerned about sharpness as much as he is about how natural the image looks, and how film like it is as well as black levels. So, IMO LCOS is actually closer to CRT than the really expensive 3-chip DLP units even if the 3-chip DLP units will beat an LCOS and a CRT in specs.
I have seen in person on more than one occasion an ISF calibrated $30,000 runco 3-chip DLP and do not think that it is as film like as LCOS.
Are there areas that the 3-chip runco destroys LCOS? You bet there are! But it is certainly not as close to CRT as a good LCOS is (to me at least).
So my recommendation to any of you who cross over to the gray side is to go LCOS, I did a lot of research and saw a lot of projectors before I made my decision to do so.
And for the record, I do still prefer the image of a perfectly tuned 9" CRT over any LCOS machine that exists right now, so don't think I am the next darren
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jask
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do you mean Deron - deronmoped? or another Darren? 
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Darren2p from over on the A site.
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