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paw
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I think what it's trying to say is if you use the optical SPDIF output, set the Digitial Out HDMI to Downmixed PCM. Else, it will not play loud enough. Kind of a strange feature/bug.
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garyfritz
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No, I think that note you quoted only applies to HDMI out. I'm not using that so I don't think it applies.
There was a bit of a green cast in the HD DVD too. Green raster was too bright. Not sure if it was the EXT HD, the HD-A2, or something screwy in my G70. Eyeballed the grayscale and re-tweaked the convergence and it looked much better, though not as "wow" as I remember Dish HD looking. (Playing Transformers, my so-far-only HD DVD.)
Messed around with the Onkyo receiver and I have surround sound now -- and rear channel. Which I think means the receiver is making it up, since theoretically the HD-A2 is only putting out 5.1. But it's an improvement over stereo until I figure out whatinhell I'm doing here.
I only have an SD calibration disk (GetGray, also Avia and DVE), but I definitely am seeing some ringing / EE in that.
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cliffnseattle
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I'm also having issues switching inputs on the EXT-HD, both using the remote and pushing the small button on the back of the unit. Similar to others, sometimes it will work, sometimes not, and unplugging the power seems to be the only way to get it to work (and even then, only some of the time).
I haven't had much time to play with various sources and compare picture quality, but so far:
Output from my Comcast DVR (Moto 6412 box) is better than before - colors seem deeper and "punchier", and the detail seems slightly better. I haven't yet looked at black detail improvements. I'm using the component output (for now - I'll be swapping for a Moto DCH 3416 sometime soon and running HDMI to the EXT box).
I just bought a Toshiba D3 (from Costco - A3 with an HDMI cable included) and the picture looks worse than I expected. There might be multiple reasons for this, and I haven't had time to analyze (e.g. it could be settings on the D3, or the HD DVD discs - included in the box was 300 and Bourne Identity, this weekend I'll probably pick up Transformers and Serenity).
I haven't looked for edge enhancement problems, as mentioned in other threads.
I'm hoping the remote / input switch issue is easily resolved, and the HD DVD picture quality improves - I have high hopes, and am anxiously awaiting Doug B to make another trip out this way (Seattle area). 
Cliff
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speedyandre
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: Opt sensor |
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Hi
I think that I know what makes the IR receiver so 'tacky'
The used sensor is meant to be mounted upright on a pcb.
Now it has been bent to almost horizontal position but because of the short pins it can't get further.
Also there's another IC under the sensor preventing it to reach a full horizontal position.
A simple solution is getting the 3 solder pins longer (if they are longer indeed).
The remote wil work fine when you position it to the right side of the box.
I've made the pins somewhat longer and now it's far more responsive.
The timing problem (not responding during some seconds) is still there so that's another story.
Using the dvi-d output of my pc with a 6600GT or Ati 2950 gives a disturbed desktop with sometimes a green background.
After messing with gamma settings my crt (Sony 1272 or Intergraph crt on bnc) looses sync and then get the black background as it should be.
Top picture shows how it should be, next picture shows problem with text and third shows the green background.
I don't know why the letters turn fat and white but it seems that the colour is mis-adjusted.
This happens with all resolutions and refreshrates and with 2 different videocards on my pc.
However when playing a movie with Powerdvd there is no problem at all ....
Also the vga output of both videocards work fine, they show the same picture when set to clone.
André
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Bert Randolph
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| Quote: | | I don't know why the letters turn fat and white |
Might this just be the 'edge enhancement' effect that is often reported?
I see this too, it is as if every letter casts a white shadow, therefore being smeared out and brighter.
| Quote: | | However when playing a movie with Powerdvd there is no problem at all .... |
Are you sure? I would guess the effect is just less obvious in video material.
Well, as of now the normal VGA-output of my 2400 Pro is by far superior to using the DVI with the moome.
I hope these problems can be solved.
Btw: Has anybody been able to turn off the gamma-enhancement with the BNC-Version of the Box? When I turn the small potentiometer on the board, I can see no effect at all. The remote does something, but to completely turn it off, one is supposed to use the poti!?
Daniel.
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speedyandre
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The potmeter is a multi-turn type, it could have 5 or 10 turns.
I didn't see any difference turning it to the left or right, but the gamma on the remote works well.
The pc's desktop looks much better when connected to my pc1271 switcher with ifb20 card.
My hdtv cable box on hdmi looks very good and also the component input on the Moome box is nice, if not better then my ifb-12 card.
André
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Bert Randolph
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| speedyandre wrote: | The potmeter is a multi-turn type, it could have 5 or 10 turns.
I didn't see any difference turning it to the left or right, but the gamma on the remote works well.
The pc's desktop looks much better when connected to my pc1271 switcher with ifb20 card.
My hdtv cable box on hdmi looks very good and also the component input on the Moome box is nice, if not better then my ifb-12 card.
André |
I did a lot of turns on the pot in both directions and did not notice anything..
Will try the component input with the xbox later on.
Daniel.
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moome
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| Bert Randolph wrote: | | speedyandre wrote: | The potmeter is a multi-turn type, it could have 5 or 10 turns.
I didn't see any difference turning it to the left or right, but the gamma on the remote works well.
The pc's desktop looks much better when connected to my pc1271 switcher with ifb20 card.
My hdtv cable box on hdmi looks very good and also the component input on the Moome box is nice, if not better then my ifb-12 card.
André |
I did a lot of turns on the pot in both directions and did not notice anything..
Will try the component input with the xbox later on.
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Dear Daniel:
if you want to turn off the gamma function, you can press remote down key until led stop blinking.
and how long cable you run for analog output? the analog output have a cable driver to drive long
cable. it might be too sharp edge between colors.
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richmond5
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Hi Moome:
I tried to turn off the gamma function by remote. When pressing down key until LED stop blinking, the white light stays on, is it right. I personally did not see any changes with gamma by doing it manually on the board and with the remote! Thanks!
Alex:)
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Bert Randolph
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Dear Daniel:
if you want to turn off the gamma function, you can press remote down key until led stop blinking.
and how long cable you run for analog output? the analog output have a cable driver to drive long
cable. it might be too sharp edge between colors.
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Moome,
This was with a pretty long BNC-Cable (about 15 m). Could using a shorter cable reduce the double-shadows? Will the driver recognize on its own that the cable is shorter and lower the power?
thanks,
Daniel.
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speedyandre
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I doubt if the cable length is involved, the shadow problem is the same with 6m and 90cm bnc cables on both my 1272 projector and Intergraph monitor.
My 6600gt has component out and this signal on the Moome box also shows the white shadow, but it is a bit less then using dvi-d.
The black letters now shine through the white shadow.
André
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bentson
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Also posted in the main Ext-HD thread.
I haven't seen my issue mentioned anywhere but some of the pics above look a little off color. Has anyone else noticed the loss of their blue image on PS3?
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I happened to look up at the tubes & noticed the blue is not firing with my PS3 through the Ext-HD. Certainly explains my color issues but I'm not sure how to fix it. The tube is lit but not projecting an image. The blue tube works fine when I am in the Marquee menus & adjustment screens as well as when I switch to the PC.
I have tried every combination on the PS3, reconnected & restarted the components but no joy.
Also, I am still getting a Sync error when I try to play a BD or feed the 1080P.
Any thoughts?
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Moose
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Now that problems have been reported, I would guess that Moome is hard at work resolving them before his second batch goes out. Assuming that he is successful, I'm wondering what the procedure will be in repairing the first batch. How has he handled repairs before? Pretty expensive to sent it back to Taiwan; is there someone in the US adapt at making repairs, if Moome authorizes him?
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dbaisey
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André
Are you actually seeing diag lines on the screen? Doug
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speedyandre
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| dbaisey wrote: | André
Are you actually seeing diag lines on the screen? Doug |
No, these were caught because I stood very close to the screen and the brightness was way up
Here's another picture, same conditions and input with some bars in stead of lines.
I can see these bars scroll when taking a picture 
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dbaisey
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Im a bit lost. Is this a screenshot or monitor shot? Set for your normal viewing brightness and contrast. If this is 1080P set to something lower but let us know if this was 1080P.
Also is this just on desktop or when the actual video is playing? Doug
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speedyandre
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| dbaisey wrote: | Im a bit lost. Is this a screenshot or monitor shot? Set for your normal viewing brightness and contrast. If this is 1080P set to something lower but let us know if this was 1080P.
Also is this just on desktop or when the actual video is playing? Doug |
I'm sorry if this is confusing 
It's a close-up picture of my projector screen and it shows a menu of Nvidia's settings on 720p (component output).
This picture is made using a SE K800 3mp cybershot phone and the picture size is smaller then in real, else you would see a picture of 2048x1536 dots here 
I think that the K800 scans the picture 50 times a second and the pc's refresh is 60Hz.
That's why the (scrolling) bars are visible.
My eye sees a solid white picture on the screen like this (on the pc's monitor):
I wanted to show the shadow behind the letters and also that the rest (colors) look normal.
Watching movies with Powerdvd is no problem at all, even the subtitles are as they should be.
The real problem is that the pc's text characters get a white shadow and the rest looks fine.
Maybe it's because they are shown at top of the background color, but I can't figure out why the Moome box shows the white shadows 
The background in this picture isn't white, it has a light gray color.
André
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André,
Just trying to sort through this weirdness to help give good 'control' info to Moome troubleshooting.
I'm not real good at PC troubleshooting. Doug
I dont have a unit here but can someone terminate the DVI port to see if it corrects from hiZ affect if that is what it is. Im not sure if it is buffered
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