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moome
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 497
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most order will ship out this weekend~
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kypha
Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 57 Location: 89103
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Moome,
i purchased mine today. Will it be shipped along with the others this weekend?
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jchunter
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 14
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Card arrived |
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Looks like I'm the first person to get my IFB-FULL HDMI card. I placed the order with Moome on 8/26 and it arrived this afternoon although sadly I will probably not have the time to install and test it until the weekend. The shipping box contains the card in an anti-static bag plus a remote control (AAA batteries not included) and it's appearance is identical to the published photos. The box had been punctured during shipping, but there was no apparent damage to the precious card or remote so I should be good to go.
It's going to be a great weekend!
Colin
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Satchboogie
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 1 Location: France
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: IFB Problem ?? |
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Hi everybody,
I've just got mine yesterday , after a waiting of five weeks...
I'm not sure, but I think this is the wrong model !!
First, my projector is a Sony D50, and the IFB is recognized like a "Nec XG Series" by my computer.
Second, there is only one step when I change the gamma with the remote controler. In the pdf manual, it seems to be a 20 step gamma level...
Third, the IR control doesn't respond correctly (with a new battery, of course), I mean I have to push the buttons several times to get a reaction.
All this let me think this is not the good IFB model, but if you tell me this are normal reactions, why not...
So, even if I can watch movies, with a better quality than the HD Fury (first model), I'd like to be shure this IFB has the good attitude with my gear.
All of you are passionate, that's great and I respect this.
Thank you people,
Thank you Moome.
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kylemallory
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 6
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Just got mine today. Ordered around mid-September.
I plugged it into my VPH-1272, and it powers up, but it won't connect to either of the sources I've tried so far (this PC, Dish VIP-622) I'm about to try a few others, but I thought for sure that the VIP-622 would have worked without issue.
I get a status light (I think its the IRE 16-235) light is lit green, and both of my Input LED are lit RED. Det is not lit. Switching sources does nothing. My laptop does not recognize a second display, and the projector always says "INPUT A - NO INPUT". Anyone else?
I'm about to try my DVD player and my RED camera, but I'm not holding my breath...
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kylemallory
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 6
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I got the card to work with another PC (Windows), but, sadly, I've had better picture quality w/ my VGA->RGBHV cable. I also tried w/ my RED One Camera's HDMI output, and the card immediately crashed the camera (this is a known issue with the RED that some HDMI monitors will cause it to hang). So, of 4 sources tried, only 1 works.
My PC recognizes the monitor as a "NEC XG Series". Gamma adjustments appear to do nothing.
For the price of the card, I'm not terribly impressed...
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kylemallory
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 6
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okay.. okay. Apparently, after getting the PC to work, other things are started working. My original laptop is now working (Ubuntu), as in my DishPlayer. It appears I may have a bad connection on the DishPlayer, or a bad cable (which would explain a lot), so I'll continue to investigate.
Like the previous poster, the gamma setting only appears to have an Min/Full setting (pressing 0 or 100 on the remote). Perhaps the 20 levels are just close enough that its not apparent between individual steps.
I'll continue to post updates as I figure things out.
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big blue
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Switzerland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: IFB-FULL HDMI up and running |
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My card just arrived at my birthday and I was asking myself why moome knows about it
Installation was easy apart from that up side down, back to wall position where I hade to take a mirror and a searchlight to get it into the G90.
1080p 24frames upconverted to 1080p/48 Hz and 1080p/72 Hz but also 1080p/60 to 1980p/60 runs fine over the lumagen. This with 1.5 m + 5m HDMI cable rated 1.3b.
I’m still using RGB signals from HD-DVD with 0-255 settings. Gamma settings do not convince me 100%, may need to recalibrate, as picture seems is to bright.
Integration in to the pronto was easy including learning the codes. So I can switch Inputs on the Sony Remote if I would need it.
I spent the most time to check proper HDMI signal flow. So HD-DVD -> Onkyo Receiver -> Lumagen Scaler -> IFB-FULL HDMI works fine and the Receiver does not change the HDMI signal as I was worrying. I did not routed the HDMI over the Receiver before, but had the Video signal of the HD-DVD directly connected to the Lumagen and the Audio via optical to the receiver.
Hopefully my feedback helps someone to save time in setting it up or verifying if it should work in this combination.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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ilias
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 116
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Any friend tell us about the difference (in the picture SD-HD) with the old HDFury? in %?
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Axatax
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
TV/Projector: Sony VPH-G70Q (aka Barco Cine8 Onyx)
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How would you measure this many possible parameters as a percent?!
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ilias
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 116
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With your opinion!!!!
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Kipnis Studios
Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 21 Location: Redding, CT USA
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I'm trying to resolve the same issue, I believe, for a customer - and the 1080P60 setting on either a BD or an HD-DVD player show variable sync and clamp response along with not presenting the left 20% of the image!!!!
Any thoughts by anyone with the same set-up?
_________________ Cheers -
Jeremy
www.Kipnis-Studios.com
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: IFB Problem ?? |
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| Satchboogie wrote: | Hi everybody,
I've just got mine yesterday , after a waiting of five weeks...
I'm not sure, but I think this is the wrong model !!
First, my projector is a Sony D50, and the IFB is recognized like a "Nec XG Series" by my computer.
Second, there is only one step when I change the gamma with the remote controler. In the pdf manual, it seems to be a 20 step gamma level...
Third, the IR control doesn't respond correctly (with a new battery, of course), I mean I have to push the buttons several times to get a reaction.
All this let me think this is not the good IFB model, but if you tell me this are normal reactions, why not...
So, even if I can watch movies, with a better quality than the HD Fury (first model), I'd like to be shure this IFB has the good attitude with my gear.
All of you are passionate, that's great and I respect this.
Thank you people,
Thank you Moome. |
It doesn't make any difference if your computer sees the card as an NEC or as a Sony, don't worry about that.
When you adjust gamma (or anything) with the remote, wait at least two seconds between each button press on the remote. If you try and press the remote buttons quickly the card will not respond.
Mostly, this is a great card.
craigr
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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I tested this card and had only minor problems with it. Specifically, the only problem I found with the card was that it would not do VIDEO luma levels for custom resolutions like 960p or 814p. Other than that, the card was a masterpiece and it did even do 1080p at 24Hz though this was unwatchable due to flicker... but it still displayed an image.
My card worked perfectly with 1080p at 48Hz, 60Hz, and 72Hz. It worked with RGB and YCbCr with 1080p.
However, Moome and I went back and forth about the VIDEO luma levels problems with custom resolutions that I reported to him. He mailed me an updated EDID chip that he shipped to the wrong address. I also went on a western states calibration tour and just got back yesterday. I will install the new EDID today or tomorrow probably.
A theory I have off hand is that Moome used the new EDID chip that he mailed me before I tested it and the production boards have the new EDID. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE so we should ask him. If I start having similar problems after installing the new EDID than we will know. This may not be related to EDID at all either as it is a little atypical.
craigr
_________________ JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
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Phone: 865-405-6892
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| kylemallory wrote: | Just got mine today. Ordered around mid-September.
I plugged it into my VPH-1272, and it powers up, but it won't connect to either of the sources I've tried so far (this PC, Dish VIP-622) I'm about to try a few others, but I thought for sure that the VIP-622 would have worked without issue.
I get a status light (I think its the IRE 16-235) light is lit green, and both of my Input LED are lit RED. Det is not lit. Switching sources does nothing. My laptop does not recognize a second display, and the projector always says "INPUT A - NO INPUT". Anyone else?
I'm about to try my DVD player and my RED camera, but I'm not holding my breath... |
Input A is not the correct input. Input A is for your RGBHV. You need to switch to input B or C depending on which slot you put the card in.
My VIP722 works perfectly with the card and it is supposed to be identical to your 622 with only a larger hard drive.
craigr
_________________ JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: IFB-FULL HDMI up and running |
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| big blue wrote: | My card just arrived at my birthday and I was asking myself why moome knows about it
Installation was easy apart from that up side down, back to wall position where I hade to take a mirror and a searchlight to get it into the G90.
1080p 24frames upconverted to 1080p/48 Hz and 1080p/72 Hz but also 1080p/60 to 1980p/60 runs fine over the lumagen. This with 1.5 m + 5m HDMI cable rated 1.3b.
I’m still using RGB signals from HD-DVD with 0-255 settings. Gamma settings do not convince me 100%, may need to recalibrate, as picture seems is to bright.
Integration in to the pronto was easy including learning the codes. So I can switch Inputs on the Sony Remote if I would need it.
I spent the most time to check proper HDMI signal flow. So HD-DVD -> Onkyo Receiver -> Lumagen Scaler -> IFB-FULL HDMI works fine and the Receiver does not change the HDMI signal as I was worrying. I did not routed the HDMI over the Receiver before, but had the Video signal of the HD-DVD directly connected to the Lumagen and the Audio via optical to the receiver.
Hopefully my feedback helps someone to save time in setting it up or verifying if it should work in this combination. |
Your experience mirrors mine... everything works fine and dandy.
So your receiver isn't converting YCbCr to RGB than? I have calibrated a lot of HDMI projectors and receivers, and have not seen a single receiver that did not force the conversion including Integra, Onkyo, Denon, etc! Even receivers with a supposed "pass through mode" still are converting YCbCr to RGB in HDMI. It's really pissing me off because a video processor will do better with YCbCr and most (all) receivers are converting the signal before it gets to the VP which degrades the final image.
craigr
_________________ JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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I installed the new EDID chip the Moome sent me today. He fixed the issue with PC/VIDEO luma on custom resolutions and the card still works perfectly for me. So either way, you guys are not having EDID problems as long as the chip on your cards is the same as either of the two variations I have here.
This car works perfect for me here and Moome properly addressed the one problem I reported to him.
craigr
_________________ JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
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belbucus
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I was having similar issues with installation in a G90 as I was initially trying to work with the input set to HDTV-GBR. Right away, this presented a great image at 1080i, but the same reported issues at 1080p and the clamp adjustments were not available. In fact, the clamp settings are only accessible when the input is set to RGB (also the case for my D50). Once that was changed, I found that setting the clamp to H/C rather than HP gave very nice image. A bit of follow up reading in both the Sony and Moome datasheets seem to confirm that this is the proper setup for the card.
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| belbucus wrote: | | I was having similar issues with installation in a G90 as I was initially trying to work with the input set to HDTV-GBR. Right away, this presented a great image at 1080i, but the same reported issues at 1080p and the clamp adjustments were not available. In fact, the clamp settings are only accessible when the input is set to RGB (also the case for my D50). Once that was changed, I found that setting the clamp to H/C rather than HP gave very nice image. A bit of follow up reading in both the Sony and Moome datasheets seem to confirm that this is the proper setup for the card. |
Good of you to point this out. I sometimes don't think of the simple things like this that can be a pitfall if you don't know... I would never have considered NOT having the projector switched to RGB mode
These boards decode digital RGB and YCbCr to analog RGB. The projector only sees RGB; thus the projector MUST be set to RGB mod on the input that the card is installed. In fact, when I calibrate these projectors I usually just switch A, B, and C all to RGB mode as a matter of course.
craigr
_________________ JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
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