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[ysati]

Thank you craigr.
I let you know

Yves

[JimR]

I had purchased a Sony card from Moome awhile back to make sure I had one for when I upgraded my surround processor and purchased a blu-ray player. I recently purchased my new equipment with HDMI connections and had sent my card back to Moome to get it upgraded to the latest version.

I received the upgraded card the other day and have installed it in my G90 and am getting an outstanding picture!

Thank you very much Moome.

Jim Reilly

[ysati]

Is the difference important with the last version with "C"?

Yves

[ysati]

[ysati]

That's it, I made a success!
I had left the OPPO in YCbCr 4:4:4!
Now it's perfect.
There is not a huge difference with 4:4:4.

Thank you craigr and cinema mad and everyone who had the patience to help me.
sorry for your inconvenience.

Yves

[cinema mad]

[ysati]

[CIR Engineering]

The entire thing with 36-bit color is all a bunch of garbage. BD is on the disc at 422 10-bit (not 8-bit). If you set your BD player to output 422, and the VP to output 422 you are avoiding any conversions from one color space to another. Less conversions is better.

36-bit has no benefit over 30-bit 422. All 36-bit is magic mumbojumbo interpolated colors between the 30-bit and is not better. Furthermore, when using a VP, you should NEVER use 36-bit. This is because 36-bit has no benefit over 30-bit (422) and also, with a VP you add two more layers of conversions when running 36-bit on the input; one when the BD player upsamples the colors from 30-bit to 36-bit, and the other conversion when the VP converts the 36-bit back to 30-bit.

The only devices that actually support 36-bit color with 36 real bits are camcorders, and most of us are not very interested in optimizing your systems for a camcorder.

36-bit 422 = upsampled colors
30-bit 422 = native data on BD disc
24-bit 444 = converted colors
24-bit RGB 444 = converted colors

craigr

[cinema mad]

I am sure Blu-Ray is YcBcR 4:2:0 8bit same as DVD ? Thus The Blu-Ray player upsamples 4:2:0 @8 bit to 12 bit when outputting YcBcR 4:2:2 through HDMI..

Quote"
The HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc specifications list a large number of constraints upon the video codecs that they employ.
Amongst that list one fundamental item (the profile adopted) has a massive impact on the overall quality that’s attainable
by inferring (amongst other things) that the bit depth and sampling format is 8-bit 4:2:0.

Cheers...

[cinema mad]

Hi Graig, I was hoping you could bring me up to speed ,

Quote CIR"
BD is on the disc at 422 10-bit (not 8-bit). If you set your BD player to output 422, and the VP to output 422 you are avoiding any conversions from one color space to another. Less conversions is better. End Quote"..

While I understand 4:2:2 is the Prefered Color Space, I cant comprehend why you say "BD is on the disc at 422 10-bit (not 8-bit)." ?

Its the Blu-Ray Player that upsamples YcBcR 4:2:0 @8 Bit to 10 or 12 Bit when outputing 4:2:2 (Panasonic upsample to 12bit) which is of benefit if retaining YcBcr 4:2:2 @ 10-12bit unchanged to our v2 Moome Card..


The Blu-Ray Association White Papers 2B (Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-Rom)
Page 21 of PDF: From what it says the Storage format for Blu-Ray Movies is the Same as DVD 4:2:0 8 bit but obviously Blu-Ray HD movies use A larger Gamut being REC 709 ..


The Reference I am going off is here
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/Technical/TechnicalWhitePapers/BDROM.html


Cheers...

[CIR Engineering]

[kal]

FYI:

Moome's had me make a slight correction to the specifications of this card: The DACs (digital to analog converters) are 14 bit, not 12 bit. True high end DACs here.

Kal

[kal]

FYI:

Moome's had me make a slight correction to the specifications of this card: The DACs (digital to analog converters) are 14 bit, not 12 bit. True high end DACs here.

Kal

[cinema mad]

I think Your Dead on Craig that 4:2:2 offers the cleanest least amount of conversion,
I guess thats why SDI & HD-SDI uses 4:2:2 color space..

I wish I could retain & recall everything I have learnt over the years when I need to, Damn brain

Cheers...

[cinema mad]

Link Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:33 am Post subject:

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FYI:

Moome's had me make a slight correction to the specifications of this card: The DACs (digital to analog converters) are 14 bit, not 12 bit. True high end DACs here.

Kal ...

Wow Moome pulled out all the stops on the Full HD Especially the V 2,
Moome is A true Genius and has undoubtedly Breathed new life into our CRT's with his High End HDCP complient products giving us good reason to stick with CRT ..

Thanks for sharing Kal..

Cheers..

[moome]

Dear Sirs,

Good day to you!

We'll have a vacation from 13th to 21th Feb for Chinese New Year.
If your are interested in our products, please send me/Kal inquiry asap.

By the way,when you find that we don't reply to you,please check the spam or ask Kal to transfer your problems to us.

Thanks and regards


Moome

[CIR Engineering]

[kal]

Moome emailed us to let us know that the IFB-FULLHD v2 cards are currently sold out. The next batch will start shipping late February 2010. Order yours today if you want to reserve one!

Kal

[kal]

Moome emailed us to let us know that the IFB-FULLHD v2 cards are currently sold out. The next batch will start shipping late February 2010. Order yours today if you want to reserve one!

Kal

[kal]

Some more news from Moome:

The IFB-FULLHD v2 cards are back in stock! But there are only 10 cards left. Once these are sold the next batch will start shipping late March 2010.

This is the highest end card you can add to your Sony CRT projector if you're looking for a 100% digital HDMI input. To quote Craig Rounds (a very fussy tester/reviewer ):

[kal]

Some more news from Moome:

The IFB-FULLHD v2 cards are back in stock! But there are only 10 cards left. Once these are sold the next batch will start shipping late March 2010.

This is the highest end card you can add to your Sony CRT projector if you're looking for a 100% digital HDMI input. To quote Craig Rounds (a very fussy tester/reviewer ):

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A confirmation for 1080p 72 Hz would be for me the key to upgrade from V1 to V2.

[kal]

[kal]