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Tom.W



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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject:

Looks fantastic so far Arnold ! Did you find the seamless screen you were looking for ?
Nice to hear from you.
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Tom.W



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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject:

I gotta say one thing. Ya gotta hand it to Arnold. Were all looking to build that dream HT of our own and Arnold shares the same dream but try to slip this HT pass the wife ! I hear Clarence has tried Wink
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject:

Gino wrote:
Great to see you back mate. Nice work! Wish I could have a 'theatre lobby' Thumbs Up

Uh huh! Thumbs Up is right. Yeah, no kidding - my lobby is also known as a stairwell/landing.

I just have to say this project is simply AMAZING. I used to work at a medium-sized architectural firm and spent a fair amount of time in commercial buildings - both finished and under construction. High-rises, low-rises, university buildings, hospital additions, a prison... you name it. Big, heavy construction - with cranes and all. Looking at those photos - the construction of this project is basically heavy commercial stuff. If I didn't already know it was a "home theater" or a residence - and you asked me to guess what it was - I'd say it was some kind of a hardened basement data center in a low-rise commercial office building - or something. The steelwork, cast-in-place walls, HVAC, electrical... it all looks like heavy commercial construction. VERY cool project.

Those palettes of Roxul would barely even FIT in MY theater!!! I don't mean in the walls, I mean in the ROOM!!! Wink

I can't WAIT to see this project progress. I'm sending a link to this thread to a couple of good friends so they can watch it progress, too.

Given the shift in priorities (damn it!), what's the latest completion date getting thrown around?

Thank you, Arnold for sharing and for keeping us updated!

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Dizzman



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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject:

Hi Arnold. i know you cannot get a microperf at 28 feet. however you can get a stewart regular perf at that size. all the way up to 90' seamless actually. If you are having trouble getting the correct info, i can put you in touch with the right folks.

Great looking project.
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Kipnis Studios



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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Impressive Theater in the Making!

achase wrote:
The 28' width has not been the problem for most suppliers, it's the height requirement that is greater than what the perf machines can handle, and I DON'T want to do a splice! I need about 16.5' in height to accommodate the viewing area and hanging grommets.


Hi Arnold,

That is a really impressive build up. I would very much enjoy seeing some of the architectural plans and concept drawings so as to understand the entire layout and size you envision.

I am very curious about your using the Hughes-JVC ILA-12K projector for this application. Is this still your preferred choice?

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Kipnis Studios



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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject:

achase wrote:
garyfritz wrote:
Tom.W wrote:
Just got a PM from Arnold . He is using a Hughes-JVC 12K ILA projector modified by Leo Bassett with a 28 foot screen ! Shocked

Let's see, if we assume he's got the ultimate anamorphic lens so he can use the full 4:3 panel area, then he can use the full 12000 lumens. 28' wide would be 441'^2 for a 16:9 screen. 12000 lumens / 441'^2 = 27 ft Lamberts! Yowza. Even if he didn't use any kind of anamorph, and for 2.35:1 he only used 57% of the panel & thus 57% of the lumens, he'd still be throwing 0.57 * 12000 / 333'^2 = 20.5 ftL. Should be enough even for a 103 seat theater!


Hi Guys,

Your lumen calculations are based on the original 12K model and not the last of the special cinema units. The last units used special ILA panels that were native 16 x 9, had faster response times, superior colorimetry, and much higher contrast ratios. Also important to factor in your calculations is the use of the upcoming HQV line quintuplers. They will take the native 24p H-Def player outputs and convert it to 120P. In doing this the on-screen brightness is increased about 30% over the usual level. The autoranging ability is one of the main reasons I went with the older technology.


Hi Arnold,

I just read this again, and I'm still confused on your choice of this projector.

Can you elucidate any further, please?

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Tom.W



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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject:

OK I have to ask...What is your point ?
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Kipnis Studios



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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject:

Tom.W wrote:
I have to ask...What is your point ?


Well, depending upon what the sources are and the apparent size and scope of this theater, I would have thought a projector with much higher light output, resolution, color space and contrast ratio would be paramount, even with the various modifications.

Can you explain the design goal of the theater, please?

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Dizzman



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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject:

It is obvious from the thread that Mr. Chase is more than knowledgeable in the field. he has chosen the proj he did with substantial due diligence. a modified last generation 12k was a magnificent beast and will stand toe to toe with just about anything.

I did not have the chance to work on it, although i was intimately acquainted with the 300 series machines (which this is) and i still feel that in the right environs, it could smoke most of what is out there.
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Kipnis Studios



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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject:

Dizzman wrote:
It is obvious from the thread that Mr. Chase is more than knowledgeable in the field. he has chosen the proj he did with substantial due diligence. a modified last generation 12k was a magnificent beast and will stand toe to toe with just about anything.

I did not have the chance to work on it, although i was intimately acquainted with the 300 series machines (which this is) and i still feel that in the right environs, it could smoke most of what is out there.


While I have no doubt that Mr. Chase has researched his theater design and technical requirements more than thoroughly, one must also ask why he is not using one of the most up to date DCI approved professional theater projectors such as those available from Barco, Christie, NEC, and Sony?

It is also not clear what the source requirements actually are, and why an analog range of tunable input frequencies is required, especially if the source (as noted) is going to be 1920 x 1080p 24F?

My curiosity with Mr. Chase's system is both with 1) his goal in producing a private 103 seat theater (beyond mere presence) - is this theater to emulate an existing style or technical requirement, or is it a great large theater in the home (both great goals) or even a utility he uses in his businesses and 2) the opportunity to exceed any possible audio and video quality he may already have designed into his Cinema.

I'm pretty certain I could stage an A/B demonstration on the same screen with several of the other projectors available in the 2k and 4k resolutions that would offer superior picture fidelity and accuracy.

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:11 am    Post subject:

Quote:
his goal in producing a private 103 seat theater


In one of his previous post he had stated that he will be hosting a number of charity events.
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Kipnis Studios



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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject:

drice1234 wrote:
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his goal in producing a private 103 seat theater


In one of his previous post he had stated that he will be hosting a number of charity events.


Sounds like a great use of the space. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I'm still very curious about the visual design and floor layout. And if there are any other design considerations beyond seating requirements, light levels, and 24P compatibility.

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject:

I'm pretty sure he has already bought the projector - not sure that he is looking for another one quite yet.
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achase



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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject:

Hello All,

I finally have a few moments to address a few of the questions:

The projector that is being built will be a combination of elements already seen in previous models as well as prototype circuits, hand picked components, and newly engineered circuits. It truly should be "one of a kind". I can only go by what those that have worked on these projectors tell me. It is the opinion of several of them that, all things considered, this projector should deliver an overall superior picture compared to most of what is out there. Having said that, do I expect this level of performance to be exceeded at some point in the future by a 4K projector, etc.? Of course. But for now, given the cost of literally pennies on the dollar of the original cost of the 12k, it would be foolish not to give this route a try. If at any point in the future something better comes along, the 12k gets unbolted and something else can go in it's place. In terms of brightness, with a 7,000 watt xenon lamp, there should be considerably more than enough screen brightness delivered - I'm not quite sure what a "newer" projector could accomplish in this area. With regard to resolution, for now with an ability to project 1920 x 1080p/120, again It's not clear to me what a "newer" projector would yield. With regard to other metrics such as contrast ratio, while I can't give you exact theoretical contrast ratios, the model 320 I'm using now with the special "cinema grade" light valves actually produced more contrast than I wanted - I asked Leo to 'dial it down' a bit! With regard to the 'analog only' input, that obviously isn't a problem with the format converters out there. Finally, not having a fixed pixel display allows far greater latitude in keystone correction, etc.

With regard to the overall design goals, I wanted a certain screen size and built the theater around it. I've stuck with the 'tried and true' - no tube amps, $500 power cords, etc. Every element that will be going into it is a known and previously vetted component. Ultimately, the theater will be judged strictly on performance...

I'll update the photos when I can, but sadly the theater will be virtually the last part of the house to be done. Target date is November 2008.

Regards,


Arnold
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject:

I nominate achase for president.... Thumbs Up
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Dizzman



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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject:

Hey Arnold, you are so right with the 300 series. dialed in, i still feel that they blow away just about anything. maybe it is the smoothness, maybe it is the lack of pixel structure, maybe it is the depth of field (those Zeiss lenses are key) but in an environment when it can be given the care and attention it needs (stable power, proper sources) it is still top of the heap.

Good choice.

Did you sort out your questions on the screen?
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Tom.W



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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject:

Now if only I could get a set of Carl Zeiss lenses for the CRT... Shocked Shocked Wink
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject:

Arnold, you will be enjoying a great Christmas next year!! I hope your timeline works out for you.
and please keep the pictures coming Very Happy
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97ss150



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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject:

hands down he is the theater ninja, this thing is amazing.
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Tom.W



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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject:

I got a PM from Arnold a few weeks ago and he said he would post an update when work on the HT was underway.

Looking forward to further pictures when he gets a chance ! Smile
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