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achase
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Holy smokes! You've got ALL of those!? What a collection! All fully restored, I assume? |
Almost all have been restored mechanically. So far only about 50% have been cosmetically restored. As a rule, if possible, the original condition is the desirable way to go. A LOT of nickles and dimes over the years have taken their toll, to say nothing of the cigarette smoke!
It's an ongoing debate whether a 1940's machine should look factory fresh (completely repainted, everything re-chromed, etc.). I personally think that is O.K. but many collectors consider it sacrilege. When done right, the machines look drop dead gorgeous!
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Spanky Ham
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As far as I know the rotary has almost no output above 20hz. You would need regular subs to handle the frequencies above 20hz. For a theater your size, you would probably need more than one. As for your second point, I understand what you are saying. This was discussed when tzucc did his install and had his meet. It has been a while, but it seems like most thought it was a significant addition and that there is content below 20hz. I believe Greg has said multiple times that the canon shots in Master and Commander reminded him of the canon shots he heard(felt) at MIT. Greg being a physicist discussed some of the advantages of the rotary. You can read more about it over at AVS in tzucc's thread. He also has a blog on it. To me, this is the most inovative product to come out in HT in the last decade. Anyway, nice theater and good luck.
Oh, I haven't read Jeff Allen's take on it. Do you have a link? Mark Seaton was at the tzucc's meet. You might ask him his take on it.
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stefuel
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As I recall, the projected date of completion was to be Oct. 08. How's that coming along? It's a shame that I'm only about a hour away 
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achase
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| stefuel wrote: | | As I recall, the projected date of completion was to be Oct. 08. How's that coming along? It's a shame that I'm only about a hour away |
That date evaporated some time ago. I'm hoping for a March move in at this point...
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Tom.W
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Arnold you are to be congratulated ! We can only imagine the planning,research and time you've put into this project. Thanks for sharing your dream with those of us here on the CRT forum !
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Tom.W
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By the way your arcade games bring back some fond but very old memory's ... Very cool Arnold and thanks ! 
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stefuel
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I haven't read the whole thread, just started on the last page. Looks like all kinds of neat stuff. There must be some kind of automation going on in at least the theater. What have you selected for this task, (AMX, Crestron or software solution). I can't believe for a second that after all this you'd settle for a coffee table full of remotes I'm partial to Crestron for it's flexability and it helps that I know how to program it as I have a habbit of changing equipment as often as clothing.
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stefuel
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Just curious, do you have any updated pictures of the exterior of the house? It must look much different now.
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Tom.W
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Arnold you also mention mechanical music as one of your interests. Can you elaborate a bit more on that subject ?
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achase
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Arnold you also mention mechanical music as one of your interests. Can you elaborate a bit more on that subject ? |
Before jukeboxes came into use, there was a "golden age" of mechanically played (self-playing) musical instruments from about 1893 - the late 1920's. Worldwide there are a few hundred people (and a limited number of museums) that strive to preserve this largely unknown musical heritage. I got hooked in the late 1960's when I stumbled across an LP of this stuff. It wasn't until (almost by accident) I visited this (incredible!) place that I started getting serious about collecting the stuff:
http://www.wurlitzer2003.com/victorian_palace.htm
Jasper has essentially created a mechanical music museum throughout most of his house. I have confined my instruments to one area.
The attached pictures are just a small sample of what's out there!
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Wow, those are awesome. Never seen anything like them. That Arts & Crafts influenced Seeburgh piece is gorgeous.
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David_Web
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When it comes to subsonic content in movies you might want to look at this thread.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/printthread.php?threadid=144887
Still I personally thing it's not worth it. Sound under 20Hz will cause a sense of sickness and partial loss of balance. It might be a cool thing when watching a horror movie on high volume which will generate genuine fear and panic. (an old theater trick btw)
Everything will rattle and roof and walls will flex. Usually not a good thing.
Still I have not heard one but would like to.
I guess it would be a nice install in a smaller theater where you will not have a lot of room problems like you have with a big hall and subsonic content.
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I wonder what kind of subsubsonic content they even mix into lfe tracks - I can't imagine many theaters have equipment to reproduce it... Or do the lfe generation methods they use (I assume it's mostly software synthesis by now) tend to produce it as a byproduct and they just don't cut it out?
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garyfritz
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Wow, those are awesome. Never seen anything like them. |
If you're ever in San Francisco, the Musee Mechanique on Fisherman's Wharf has quite a few machines. The place is a bit seedy and the machines are a bit worn, but it's still fascinating to see. http://www.museemechanique.org
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Spanky Ham
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| David_Web wrote: | When it comes to subsonic content in movies you might want to look at this thread.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/printthread.php?threadid=144887
Still I personally thing it's not worth it. Sound under 20Hz will cause a sense of sickness and partial loss of balance. It might be a cool thing when watching a horror movie on high volume which will generate genuine fear and panic. (an old theater trick btw)
Everything will rattle and roof and walls will flex. Usually not a good thing.
Still I have not heard one but would like to.
I guess it would be a nice install in a smaller theater where you will not have a lot of room problems like you have with a big hall and subsonic content. |
I was going to let this go, as the owner has no interest. You can read all about the rotary here. I believe it has been disproven about the effects of sub 20 hz. I think Bruce has spoken about this on his website. If there was an issue, then I am sure it would have been mentioned in the two HT installs I know about. Hopefully at some point, I will get to see Cineremax's install.
| perisoft wrote: | | I wonder what kind of subsubsonic content they even mix into lfe tracks - I can't imagine many theaters have equipment to reproduce it... Or do the lfe generation methods they use (I assume it's mostly software synthesis by now) tend to produce it as a byproduct and they just don't cut it out? |
I think this was debated quite a bit on tzucc's thread, but it was found that there are movies with sub 20hz. There is a list on the rotary website.
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Tom.W
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| achase wrote: | | lostmandan wrote: | How many square feet of solar panel would be needed to produce that amount of energy? I would be intrigued to see the equipment used to manage the solar array, tie to grid, etc. It must be pretty heafty!
I look forward to a day where all of the geo-thermal, solar, wind, and other alternative energy sources are easily affordable.
Very cool project, and I also can't wait to see more photos of your project coming to fruition.
Cheers,
Dan |
About 1,050 square feet of 230 watt panels are needed to produce that much power. The house was designed from the get go with a flat section of the roof exactly aligned on a true North/South line for maximum efficiency. The picture is of the area today.
The system is three phase to match the house (motors run more efficiently with three phase power). The support equipment is being finalized now, and I will update you when it is ordered.
By early adopters doing "leading edge" projects, it helps bring the costs down for everyone. I appreciate what those before me did, and I'm trying to continue that chain. |
Arnold any idea what kind of storage battery's you will be using or will you just sell excess back to the grid ?
These look promising...
http://www.a123systems.com/#
Were up to 40 % efficiency now on solar.
http://www.electricalengineer.com/index.php?option=com_zippynews&id=236&task=detailnews&cid=
No mention of overall cost per KW though ...
Two more solar links.......
http://www.electricalengineer.com/index.php?option=com_zippynews&id=244&task=detailnews&cid=
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/08/15-solar-power-panels-cells-energy-innovations.php
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