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I think I'd have it if I wanted it regardless of how chilly the bedroom got. 
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Jut run that duct from the JVC lamphouse through that bedroom and it will heat up in no -time
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stefuel
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I'll be taking my 4th vacation (6/5/10 - 6/13/10) since this thread started. The theater is cool. I want to come and see the boiler room.  
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MikeEby
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Disks how old fashion???? Oh my a theater like this deserves a media server at the very least. 
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| stefuel wrote: | | I'll be taking my 4th vacation (6/5/10 - 6/13/10) since this thread started. The theater is cool. I want to come and see the boiler room. |
I fly to BDL (Hartford) 3 times a month for work.
101 more people and we'll fill that place up for a grand opening
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stefuel
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I need a vacation from everything. I spend more time fixing screwed up installations than anything. Our best electrician is color blind (really) and our installers are not given enough time to double check their work. Management blames labor and I'm the A-hole in the middle. Put it in, get our money and send A-hole to make it work. There is one other person who is equal or more "A-hole" than me at my work and he's going out on early retirement for health issues. I'm screwed!!! Job security at it's best 
Four more regular work days for me then VACATION...Note: Company policy. All employees must turn in their company service vehicle durring scheduled vacation time but Chip. He doesn't have a life
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D-A-M-U-M!
Looking AWESOME!
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I think both Chip and Clarence would be great to have over to give us a review of your installation ! Chip for for his expertise on mechanical systems and Clarence is an excellent photographer ! It would be fun to read and hear their first impressions and reviews of your new HT !
Just something to think about....
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achase
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| Tom.W wrote: | I think both Chip and Clarence would be great to have over to give us a review of your installation ! Chip for for his expertise on mechanical systems and Clarence is an excellent photographer ! It would be fun to read and hear their first impressions and reviews of your new HT !
Just something to think about....
Tom |
Not a bad idea at all - I just need to get the darn project finished first!
The carpet installation starts today (6/1) and is expected to take three days. The seats are going in the following week. I am still trying to schedule a time when Leo Bassett can set up the projector - he has the lenses so nothing happens until his visit. One potential "oops" involves the projector cooling. I always focused on the 13,000 BTU/hr heat removal from the lamp house, which needs to be directly ducted. When the HVAC people were here last week, they discovered that there is an additional 27,000 BTU/hr coming from the rest of the projector that we had not formally figured on. The booth does have it's own air handler that was put in for 'general' cooling. We're now trying to see how much output we can get out of it. In all likelihood we won't really know where we stand until Leo fires the projector up to see what internal temperature it maintains.
My best guesstimate for this first demo date is about July 1st or so. Around that time the boiler room should also be complete as well. Not too long after that we can start planning a "Curt Palme" get-together for a group visit.
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stefuel
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Yikes, 3-1/2 tons of cooling just for a projector
1. Whats the capacity of the air handler for the projection booth?
2. What's the capacity for cooling in the theater. With 103 seats it (should) be sized to handle the load of 103 people in the room putting out 98.6 degrees with some extra if it's engineered correctly. I doubt you'll have every seat filled all the time. My guess is that you could lose that additional 2+ tons into the theater with ease. Without the specs for the room that would be only a guess. Consult with the HVAC engineer who designed the rooms system.
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| Clarence wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | I'll be taking my 4th vacation (6/5/10 - 6/13/10) since this thread started. The theater is cool. I want to come and see the boiler room. |
I fly to BDL (Hartford) 3 times a month for work.
101 more people and we'll fill that place up for a grand opening |
If your are calling a meet... I'm in!!!
I drive to danbury 4-5 times a year.. Hartford is just another hour...
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I'm in for that meet also.....
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Wow, very impressive. That has to be nicer than a commercial movie theatre! Even more impressive is that your quarterbacking the thing as a general contractor. Kudos!
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| achase wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | I think both Chip and Clarence would be great to have over to give us a review of your installation ! Chip for for his expertise on mechanical systems and Clarence is an excellent photographer ! It would be fun to read and hear their first impressions and reviews of your new HT !
Just something to think about....
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Not a bad idea at all - I just need to get the darn project finished first!
The carpet installation starts today (6/1) and is expected to take three days. The seats are going in the following week. I am still trying to schedule a time when Leo Bassett can set up the projector - he has the lenses so nothing happens until his visit. One potential "oops" involves the projector cooling. I always focused on the 13,000 BTU/hr heat removal from the lamp house, which needs to be directly ducted. When the HVAC people were here last week, they discovered that there is an additional 27,000 BTU/hr coming from the rest of the projector that we had not formally figured on. The booth does have it's own air handler that was put in for 'general' cooling. We're now trying to see how much output we can get out of it. In all likelihood we won't really know where we stand until Leo fires the projector up to see what internal temperature it maintains.
My best guesstimate for this first demo date is about July 1st or so. Around that time the boiler room should also be complete as well. Not too long after that we can start planning a "Curt Palme" get-together for a group visit.
Arnold |
I have been giving all this extra heat thing some thought. Given that this whole house project involves many "green" features, just think what you could do with a extra (FREE) 40,000 btu's of heat any time of the year. You could duct the heat from the projector through a reverse acting hydro-coil to collect that heat and store it in a indirect water heater tank.
What can't be reclaimed gets dumped into the theater to heat it in the winter and in the summer, extracted by the theaters A/C unit.
Just so you get a idea what 40,000 btu's can do, it's about the same as 73 feet of standard hydronic baseboard at 180 degrees.
For those of you with baseboard heat, take a walk around your house and see just how many feet you have in each room.
73 feet goes a long way.
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1. Whats the capacity of the air handler for the projection booth?
2. What's the capacity for cooling in the theater. With 103 seats it (should) be sized to handle the load of 103 people in the room putting out 98.6 degrees with some extra if it's engineered correctly. I doubt you'll have every seat filled all the time. My guess is that you could lose that additional 2+ tons into the theater with ease. Without the specs for the room that would be only a guess. Consult with the HVAC engineer who designed the rooms system. |
1) The Projection Room unit is 1,300 cfm and 4 tons of cooling. Using 12,000 BTU/ton (basic design standard) the Projection Room has 48,000 BTU's of cooling. The 13,000 BTU directly pulled from the Lamp House can be directed by the DDC to either the outside exhaust system, or, (in the Winter) dumped directly into the Theater return air system. Since the theater is completely underground, some (auditorium) heating might be needed, even in the Summertime. We should have enough surplus cooling to cover the heat load of the amp rack and dimmers in the booth as well.
2) The Theater unit is 2,600 cfm and 8 tons of cooling. Using 12,000 BTU/ton (basic design standard) the Theater has 96,000 BTU's of cooling. Going by the 600 BTU/person rule, only 63,000 BTU's of cooling is needed. (Note: Although the thread heading says 103 seats, the actual count is 105) Any heat "loss" through the walls should be negative, so only the lighting during a live presentation need be factored into the load calculation.
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| stefuel wrote: | | achase wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | I think both Chip and Clarence would be great to have over to give us a review of your installation ! Chip for for his expertise on mechanical systems and Clarence is an excellent photographer ! It would be fun to read and hear their first impressions and reviews of your new HT !
Just something to think about....
Tom |
Not a bad idea at all - I just need to get the darn project finished first!
The carpet installation starts today (6/1) and is expected to take three days. The seats are going in the following week. I am still trying to schedule a time when Leo Bassett can set up the projector - he has the lenses so nothing happens until his visit. One potential "oops" involves the projector cooling. I always focused on the 13,000 BTU/hr heat removal from the lamp house, which needs to be directly ducted. When the HVAC people were here last week, they discovered that there is an additional 27,000 BTU/hr coming from the rest of the projector that we had not formally figured on. The booth does have it's own air handler that was put in for 'general' cooling. We're now trying to see how much output we can get out of it. In all likelihood we won't really know where we stand until Leo fires the projector up to see what internal temperature it maintains.
My best guesstimate for this first demo date is about July 1st or so. Around that time the boiler room should also be complete as well. Not too long after that we can start planning a "Curt Palme" get-together for a group visit.
Arnold |
I have been giving all this extra heat thing some thought. Given that this whole house project involves many "green" features, just think what you could do with a extra (FREE) 40,000 btu's of heat any time of the year. You could duct the heat from the projector through a reverse acting hydro-coil to collect that heat and store it in a indirect water heater tank.
What can't be reclaimed gets dumped into the theater to heat it in the winter and in the summer, extracted by the theaters A/C unit.
Just so you get a idea what 40,000 btu's can do, it's about the same as 73 feet of standard hydronic baseboard at 180 degrees.
For those of you with baseboard heat, take a walk around your house and see just how many feet you have in each room.
73 feet goes a long way. |
Our posts "crossed in the night"! Your thoughts are intriguing, but a couple of practical considerations, The heat draw could only take place during times of projector operation unless a HUGE amount of (heavily insulated) storage existed. I suppose you could use the entire hot water loop as the storage medium, but even that would only give you 15 minutes or so of heat. I would think the DDC would have a tough time controlling things unless the "free" part were at a higher supply temperature, and a reverse hydro-coil should be less efficient at recovering the heat (and at a lower supply temperature) as opposed to the boiler output.
I designed and installed a heat recovery system that takes the waste heat from an emergency generator's cooling system and heats a secondary coil in a water heater. Since it's a fluid to fluid type of heat exchanger, the efficiency is high.
Most heat recovery ideas are really only practical if the "free" heat is regularly/continuously available as only then does it make economic and practical sense.
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| achase wrote: | | My best guesstimate for this first demo date is about July 1st or so. Around that time the boiler room should also be complete as well. Not too long after that we can start planning a "Curt Palme" get-together for a group visit. |
OK, I would DEFINITELY be interested in a trip out to your neck of the woods to see your room and meet you, Arnold!
Wow, it must be so very rewarding to see it all finally coming together - especially now that you're more heavily involved in the process (time-consuming as that must be). Anyway, great work - the room only continues to get more and more stunning.
Cheers,
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drice1234
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I will be in Hartford for a wedding in September. I'll buy a ticket
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stefuel
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Arnold,
I'm sure you've done your homework well. Well enough to know that many forms of "green" are not practical in the NE.
That hasn't stopped many from trying to capitolize on it though.
The reverse hydro-coil idea was only a quick thought. Dumping the heat from the projector into the theater is probably the most efficient use of the heat.
Do your self a favor. Don't suck the heat out of the projector with the return from the air handler. That puts neg pressure on the case of the projector. Every switch, knob and seam will get caked with dust. Pressurize the cabinet and push the heat out with filtered air. The inside of the projector will stay clean as new that way. In fact if this were my project, I would consider not connecting it directly to the HVAC system. If there was room to hide the ductwork, I'd put a 20X20 return filter grate down near the floor of the theater with a boot to change it to 12" round duct with a duct booster between the filter and projector. Then I'd go 12" out to a non-filtered supply grate near the theaters ceiling and dump the heat directly into the theater where the HVAC returns can pick it up and distribute it around.
This is how I now cool my 2nd equipment rack. The first rack full of equipment was ruined by heat as I tried sucking the heat out and every air leak (switches, knobs and such) acted like a filter and quickly clogged with dust and overheated equipment. Pushing the heat out completely solved the problem.
Chip
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Day 1 of the carpet installation. The padding is almost ready for the carpet. The wall fabric company did not show up (as promised) to finish the panels.
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