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garyfritz
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: OT: What if I buy on Ebay knowing they don't ship to Can |
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| kal wrote: | | I'm putting together a kegging system in my bar (4 good taps with 8 kegs in the backroom in a temp controlled freezer) and want this to go above the taps to list what's "on tap". |
Geeze. Not only does he have a killer projector and an apparently unlimited budget for processors, sources, DVDs, and other toys, but he's gonna have FOUR good homebrews ON TAP in his theater!? Life just ain't fair! Especially since Ottawa is so far from Colorado!!
Let me guess, he's probably good-looking too... 
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nuttall_chris
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Alaric
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Kal,
4 Kegs on tap....How big are the Kegs ???
I'd have thought you'd have problem with the beer going off if you don't drink them relativly fast once tapped, even if they are kept cool !
I've recently got a Wunderbar MiniCask cooler that does 4/5/6L minicasks, which is 7-11 Pints however although cold the beer still needs drinking in a relativly short time span - 2-3 days for most. The presure kegs do last a bit longer, but i'd only say 2-3 weeks.
Cya,
Lee
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Chuck27 wrote: | I no longer waste my time with Ebay sellers who won't ship to Canada. There's always a litany of self-rationalizing reasons and I'm sick of listening to them.
Chuck |
It's nothing personal. It's just that shipping across borders is extra work and extra risk for the seller, and a higher chance for an unhappy buyer that will leave negative feedback on you.
Even though my auctions make it perfectly clear that I do not ship outside the US, I get several e-mails every week such as, "How much for shipping to Italy?" This may be because they're reading my auctions translated to their native language, and in translation, my shipping terms get lost. Well, what else gets lost? Maybe I'm selling a broke item but they don't realize that. If I sold to this buyer, it's a total disaster in the making.
And sometimes there's a problem and the customer returns an item for a refund. No big deal if it's inside the US. With all the extra shipping expense, it's a REAL big deal if it's from another country. Especially if you're like me and reimburse the buyer for return shipping cost. This is why I don't sell to Alaska or Hawaii. Had a problem item that I got back from Hawaii. That cost my ass.
Of coarse, like you, the buyer doesn't care about any of that. All you have to do is hit the "send money" paypal button and sit back and wait for your good deal from the US to arrive. It's the seller that's got to deal with all of this crap.
Frankly, I wish everyone outside the US felt like you. 
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jask
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Alaric wrote: | Hi Kal,
4 Kegs on tap....How big are the Kegs ???
I'd have thought you'd have problem with the beer going off if you don't drink them relativly fast once tapped, even if they are kept cool !
I've recently got a Wunderbar MiniCask cooler that does 4/5/6L minicasks, which is 7-11 Pints however although cold the beer still needs drinking in a relativly short time span - 2-3 days for most. The presure kegs do last a bit longer, but i'd only say 2-3 weeks.
Cya,
Lee |
Hi Lee
Not sure what Kals experience is with kegging but I have done it for years and I have no problem with beers that are 8-12 weeks old...if properly handled and kept cool. A lot of the mini-keg systems allow air in to the keg or expose the beer to oxidization in the brewing process-keg systems can be a virtually zero O2 process if done properly,and are driven with co2. the big US breweries allow a retail life of over 100 days!!! 
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Chuck27 wrote: | I no longer waste my time with Ebay sellers who won't ship to Canada. There's always a litany of self-rationalizing reasons and I'm sick of listening to them.
Chuck |
Its the same as shipping to Australia except we eat our national emblem. (the kangaroo AND the emu)
Mmmmm.. emu... tastes like chicken
I get the same problem on Videogon - shippers wont take offers from Australia -
"It will get lost"
"You might not be real"
"You might be Nigerian"
"You might be an Indonesian who's just popping over the border like Canadians with their US addresses!"
Funny thing, when I point out that a tracking number and insurance fixes all these - or that the very same thing can happen in the US (except for the Indonesian bit) I usually get no reply.
3 months later, the item is still listed and they've dropped 30% off it.
I wish Ebay would make it ILLEGAL to not ship to other 'member' nations - I agree with Nigeria and Indonesia, but first world countries like Australia...
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oliverg
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: |
It's nothing personal. It's just that shipping across borders is extra work and extra risk for the seller, and a higher chance for an unhappy buyer that will leave negative feedback on you. |
Phil, do you really believe this? I'm an ebay powerseller since 2000 - I ship internationally from Australia (in fact, over 50% of business comes from the US) and the only bad feedback (ever) was from someone from the USA!
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Even though my auctions make it perfectly clear that I do not ship outside the US, I get several e-mails every week such as, "How much for shipping to Italy?" This may be because they're reading my auctions translated to their native language, and in translation, my shipping terms get lost. Well, what else gets lost? Maybe I'm selling a broke item but they don't realize that. If I sold to this buyer, it's a total disaster in the making. |
Translation programs aren't that inaccurate - OK, if I accept your point, what about other countries like the UK and Australia, where English is the first language?
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And sometimes there's a problem and the customer returns an item for a refund. No big deal if it's inside the US. With all the extra shipping expense, it's a REAL big deal if it's from another country. Especially if you're like me and reimburse the buyer for return shipping cost. This is why I don't sell to Alaska or Hawaii. Had a problem item that I got back from Hawaii. That cost my ass. |
So just make it a condition that any returns / shipping is at buyer's expense, I do that and many other sellers I've seen - and its never been a problem for me.
I'm not trying to be negative to you Phil, you are a good guy - but (no offense) alot of your arguments don't hold water.
I think, like many others - the reasons aren't that important, you just don't -want- to (and that's fair enough) but you should know, there are just as many fine, legitmate buyers in non US countries that wont give you bad feedback, wont rip you off and will be repeat customers.
Kind regards
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| oliverg wrote: | | I'm not trying to be negative to you Phil, you are a good guy - but (no offense) alot of your arguments don't hold water. |
I'm not taking it personal Oliver. You make some good points. But ebay is a full time living for me. Time is money, so when I have to spend more time than usual on something, I make less money. I use to ship overseas, and it no if ands or buts takes more time. And when you have a problem, you're really going to lose some time, most likely a lot. Plus I'm a worrier. It's my best and worst trait. It keeps me on top of things (not to brag on myself, but my service is top notch), but it's probably knocking years off my life. Having something in transit for weeks just worries the sh*t out of me.
I don't refuse to ship overseas because I don't like foreigners. The opposite is true. I really enjoy all the overseas guys on the forums. I especially enjoy Aussie and Brit slang. It cracks me up! So it's nothing personal. It's simply a business decision.
PS: I've been selling used musical instruments for a full time living in 1988. I've sold on ebay since 1998, and heavily since about 2001. I started selling off the internet before ebay existed! Here's my ebay store: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZdallasQ2dmusic
I do most my work in the evenings. Time to get to work!
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jask
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Its the same as shipping to Australia except we eat our national emblem. (the kangaroo AND the emu)
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yeah same here....but I am guessing most forum members would rather eat a beaver than a roo 
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Heywood Jablome
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Eat a beaver, save a tree...
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Chuck27
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: | It's the seller that's got to deal with all of this crap.
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In the old days, that was called "Customer Service".
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oliverg
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| jask wrote: |
yeah same here....but I am guessing most forum members would rather eat a beaver than a roo |
Still laughing ..!
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Ridebreck
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Since we're on the subject (sort of) and there are a few experienced 'keggers' online, I was curious if a corny keg would fit in an undercounter fridge. At some point in the next few years I'll be building the bar outside the HT and my plan was to have an undercounter fridge modified for a keg system with a 2-tap tower (so that I could add another fridge later).
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Phil Smith
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| Chuck27 wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: | It's the seller that's got to deal with all of this crap.
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Spoken like a true self centered customer who could care less what the seller has to endure as long as you get what you want.  This is a perfect example of why I don't ship outside the states.
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Chuck27
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: |
Spoken like a true self centered customer who could care less what the seller has to endure as long as you get what you want. This is a perfect example of why I don't ship outside the states. |
Darned Customers! Always making a mess of things!
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jask
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ridebreck wrote: | | Since we're on the subject (sort of) and there are a few experienced 'keggers' online, I was curious if a corny keg would fit in an undercounter fridge. At some point in the next few years I'll be building the bar outside the HT and my plan was to have an undercounter fridge modified for a keg system with a 2-tap tower (so that I could add another fridge later). |
not usually... but I have seen a few very nice minifreezers (apt size) adapted with refrigeration thermostats to run at fridge temperature then plumbed with CO2 and beer lines out to the taps- 4-6 corny kegs on tap or lagering...
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Phil Smith
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| Chuck27 wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: |
Spoken like a true self centered customer who could care less what the seller has to endure as long as you get what you want. This is a perfect example of why I don't ship outside the states. |
Darned Customers! Always making a mess of things!
Chuck |
Maybe that's why I've had good success with customer relations. I'm selective about who I do business with. 
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jask
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Chuck27 wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: |
Spoken like a true self centered customer who could care less what the seller has to endure as long as you get what you want. This is a perfect example of why I don't ship outside the states. |
Darned Customers! Always making a mess of things!
Chuck |
if it wasn't for the money,we wouldn't even talk to the bastards...
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