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XG-FULLHD: NEC XG HDMI 1.3 Input Card
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Some simplification is good, like dropping all audio stuff as it's just too confusing for people and nobody will use it. No display is fine too, manual gamma fine too, but manual input switching will *not* be something people like. If Moome goes to manual switching then he might as well just have one input on his devices as most people with go with external HDMI IR controlled switchers.

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject:

I think the whole point is to get the price down ( and less problems) and yes if people want remote switching then buy a $40 Monoprice. It really costs nothing to add the audio(toslink) connection.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject:

I really hope this thing does not cost $400 but if it does then so be it. I will be able to eliminate 3 pieces from my video chain if all goes as planned. That in itself might be worth the cost of admission. I can probably recover half of the cost by selling of those items. Having adjustments for gamma at the projector will be MUCH easier for me. Currently I have to reach into the equipment stack and turn the pot with a screwdriver while craning my neck around to see the screen. Now that I think of it, I will be able to eliminate one more thing with this card. My huge RGBHV cable! It's a really nice cable but having HDMI will be cool. So, if I'm correct I will remove the following items from my video chain:

1. RGBHV cable (to be replaced by HDMI cable running directly from receiver to projector)

2. RTC2200 reverse transcoder (I love it but remote gamma adjustment would be so convenient)

3. HDFury (again, a great little device but just another item in the chain and it uses DVI which might be causing black crush)

4. Monoprice 4-1 switcher (I'm only using this for the voltage boost it provides to the HD Fury. I could never get the HD Fury to work without this piece in the chain between my receiver and the Fury/transcoder combo)

*I may hold onto the Monoprice switcher until I can confirm that it is not still needed.

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject:

Yep. That's everything that I'd see going away. The nice thing too is that good HDMI cables are pretty cheap (like $50 for a long one). Good RGBHV cables are a LOT more expensive.

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
Yep. That's everything that I'd see going away. The nice thing too is that good HDMI cables are pretty cheap (like $50 for a long one). Good RGBHV cables are a LOT more expensive.

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You got that right! Monoprice is getting lots of business from me lately! I also turned several people here at work onto them. All of those people that got flat screen tv's for Christmas and spent $150 on an HDMI cable at Best Buy. I actually had a guy here at work that was able to buy an HD DVD player for what he saved in buying cables from Monoprice.


So, what's the latest ETA on this card? I think we are still awaiting word about taking pre orders correct?
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Yup. Still waiting on word about pre-orders....

Funny you mention the HDMI cable thing. Co-worker of mine bought a new TV as well and they sold him an $80 three foot HDMI Monster cable to go with it. I bought him a $5 one from bluejeanscables.com to replace it when I ordered two for myself. Criminals!

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject:

I think it's a little cheaper to buy the HDMI cables from Bluejean cables. Now that was for shipping to Canada, so for the USA it may not be cheaper. I like the quality of BJcables, I haven't had any Monoprice cables yet.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject:

I have never ordered anything from Blue Jeans Cables but I know that they are a forum sponsor for several AV sites and well respected. I recall looking for component cables and RGBHV cables from them. While they do sell a quality cable based on the materials they use, it was still a bit more than I wanted to pay for a cable at the time. Luckily, I found a really nice used one. I think it would be hard to beat Monoprice's pricing for things like HDMI cables, switches, banana plugs, etc. I usually find everything I need between them and Parts Express.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject:

Well, getting back on topic I'm getting really excited about the possibility of getting this card for my XG! I know Moome is busy with lots of projects but I hope this thing is ready soon!
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject:

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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject:

Moome sent me a better XG-FULLHD prototype picture to use:



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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject:

I don't know why but I was thinking that the gamma adjustment was controlled through the remote but I guess not if those little pots are on there. Silly me, I guess the remote is just for changing inputs. No problem. Still much easier to access on the back of the projector than in my closet where the transcoder is now. I hope this means Moome is getting closer to completing the board.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:52 am    Post subject:

Do you think moome will ever do a cut down version at some stage?, I mean for myself single port, no gamma (I tuned my moome dvi in fine with outi t), and no spdif out would be fine.

really the only thing I would like to have extra on a one port version of this card is more bandwidth, so you could run 1080p at 92hz if you wanted, or higher resolutions than 1080p on a HTPC, but I know I'm in the minority group with that.

anyway thanks moome for you efferts, and it's good to see progress is coming along.

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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject:

nzryan wrote:
, no gamma (I tuned my moome dvi in fine with outi t),
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What do you use to get correct shadow detail/ Brightness? Because the old Moome DVI card can't do it alone.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject:

KennyG wrote:
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, no gamma (I tuned my moome dvi in fine with outi t),
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What do you use to get correct shadow detail/ Brightness? Because the old Moome DVI card can't do it alone.


You got to love all the tweeks you can do on our NEC's - full colour balance on the projector bias,gain and drive akb etc, with a HTPC, multimeter and a eye-one colourimeter.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject:

dropzone7 wrote:
I don't know why but I was thinking that the gamma adjustment was controlled through the remote but I guess not if those little pots are on there. Silly me, I guess the remote is just for changing inputs.

I'm not 100% sure but I thought the pot was the same as the one that's one the EXT-HD box: The pot is for adjusting the 'maximum' gamma value while the remote is for steping through the 20 steps of gamma boost. This is the way the EXT-HD works.

I'll ask Moome.

EDIT: Nevermind! The manual (see the first post in this thread) says that the remote is for selecting inputs *AND* adjusting gamma. When in doubt guys, RTFM! Smile

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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
dropzone7 wrote:
I don't know why but I was thinking that the gamma adjustment was controlled through the remote but I guess not if those little pots are on there. Silly me, I guess the remote is just for changing inputs.

I'm not 100% sure but I thought the pot was the same as the one that's one the EXT-HD box: The pot is for adjusting the 'maximum' gamma value while the remote is for steping through the 20 steps of gamma boost. This is the way the EXT-HD works.

I'll ask Moome.

EDIT: Nevermind! The manual (see the first post in this thread) says that the remote is for selecting inputs *AND* adjusting gamma. When in doubt guys, RTFM! Smile

Kal


Wow, I read it and did not even see that comment. Color me stupid! Confused
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject:

nzryan wrote:
KennyG wrote:
nzryan wrote:
, no gamma (I tuned my moome dvi in fine with outi t),
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What do you use to get correct shadow detail/ Brightness? Because the old Moome DVI card can't do it alone.


You got to love all the tweeks you can do on our NEC's - full colour balance on the projector bias,gain and drive akb etc, with a HTPC, multimeter and a eye-one colourimeter.


Yep I do all that myself, and have a colorimeter too. I've also had Doug Baisey over here, as I've owned 5 XG's and never had this problem before...in fact, I didn't have this problem until installing the DVI card!
Fact is the color space for DVI and HDMI are different, and there is no way to get shadow detail correct without screwing up the brightness level...unless you have gamma correction.


EDIT: Nevermind, I see you use HTPC, which means you do have gamma correction.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject:

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EDIT: Nevermind, I see you use HTPC, which means you do have gamma correction.[/quote]

Well I Dont adjust the Gamma on the HTPC it is at normal (no adjustment) level (I dont like what it does to the colours), mayby with HTPC the colour space is correct for the DVI Card,

I have made my own EDID settings also, which I flashed to the MOOME card, but this was mainly for custom overscans, being that with my 8800 GTX I cant change the the timmings windows. I dont remember changing any colour info though.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Any updates on the status of this card? I have money burning a hole in my pocket and I'm afraid I might upgrade my subwoofer if this is not available soon. So really I win either way!
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