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greg9518lc
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:38 pm Post subject: Off the web guess Lugs are 3 times sharper not!!! |
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Looks like the LCP 9500 has just been calibrated. I sure want a LCP projector. 13.5ftl[img] [/img]
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What disc are all these ugly dude's on?
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The whites of their eyes..
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greg9518lc
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:40 pm Post subject: LCP are sharper than lugs |
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background detail 1080p lCP 72hz 195mhz calibrated found on net
[img] [/img]
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Back to Fuji S3
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| greg9518lc wrote: | | Back to Fuji S3 |
These pictures look very blurry
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These are not blurry full size file the forum stretches them thanks for the positive comments on the other ones lol
Download them or use a different device my 22' led monitor is god awful
but my ipad is spot on... This is a forum glitch and could be fixed very easily if they choose.
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| mp20748 wrote: | Back to properly resolving... I mentioned colors in my post about as it relates to proper resolving of a signal. Colors are one of the best indicators, while some think sharpness. Sharpness is very subjective because you can boost sharpness beyond proper resolve. But the color test can not be tricked. This is also why I've been posting some screenshots, simply to look at colors.
Muted colors is always an indicator of an inability to properly resolve colors. Strange, I'm sure most thought the sharpness would be the best determiner. Nope! |
Well if sharpness was the primary criteria it would appear that a 909 or G90 (with their focus systems) would be the clear choice. We know there's more to the story than that 
The secondary colors that are displayed on screen and low level details when coming out of black and lightouput sans blooming are the critical elements for a dynamic display.
As for the LUG vs LCP issue, you'd need to drive both tubes to the same light output to truly evaluate the blooming. Regardless of the tube in question the spot size will certainly be smaller if one is running at 7ftl and the other at 14ftl.
The subjective component is what's really at hand; does the viewer prefer light output or maximum sharpness? Fortunately we have mods that help to mitigate these tradeoffs 
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mp20748
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Back to properly resolving... I mentioned colors in my post about as it relates to proper resolving of a signal. Colors are one of the best indicators, while some think sharpness. Sharpness is very subjective because you can boost sharpness beyond proper resolve. But the color test can not be tricked. This is also why I've been posting some screenshots, simply to look at colors.
Muted colors is always an indicator of an inability to properly resolve colors. Strange, I'm sure most thought the sharpness would be the best determiner. Nope! |
Well if sharpness was the primary criteria it would appear that a 909 or G90 (with their focus systems) would be the clear choice. We know there's more to the story than that |
Absolutely!
| Quote: | | The secondary colors that are displayed on screen and low level details when coming out of black and lightouput sans blooming are the critical elements for a dynamic display |
You nailed this one. And that is the real goal for higher resolution tubes, and has very little to do with actual sharpness because when being used in immersive and stereoscopic (3d) display systems, sharpness becomes secondary to what you listed.
| Quote: | | As for the LUG vs LCP issue, you'd need to drive both tubes to the same light output to truly evaluate the blooming. Regardless of the tube in question the spot size will certainly be smaller if one is running at 7ftl and the other at 14ftl |
There really shouldn't be a debate here, because when the LCP was designed, it was the first high resolution 9" CRT projector tube manufactured... but to later have a problem with maintaining the spot size with increased contrast. And that is when the higher resolution tubes went on the design table.
What makes the LUG more able to maintain a tight spot size, has to do with two things, based on the patent. A smaller spot size gun and a unique design that helps keep that smaller spot size from blooming. And because of its technical merits, it is without a doubt a better CRT projection tube for overall better image quality.
Like I said, on my setup. The LUG spot size is more than half the size of the LCP when captured on my screen. You can even tell the difference when looking directly into the tube on low drive.
| Quote: | | The subjective component is what's really at hand; does the viewer prefer light output or maximum sharpness? Fortunately we have mods that help to mitigate these tradeoffs |
Actually, the LUG produces the best of both best spot control (sharpness) and best light output before critical blooming but require special tuning.
Good write-up..
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| greg9518lc wrote: | These are not blurry full size file the forum stretches them thanks for the positive comments on the other ones lol
Download them or use a different device my 22' led monitor is god awful
but my ipad is spot on... This is a forum glitch and could be fixed very easily if they choose. |
I think all the latest screen shots (except the stretched ones) look great. Camera and operator have come a long way to bring out closer to what is seen on the screen. Something I need to practice on.
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mp20748
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The whites of their eyes
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Back to properly resolving... I mentioned colors in my post about as it relates to proper resolving of a signal. Colors are one of the best indicators, while some think sharpness. Sharpness is very subjective because you can boost sharpness beyond proper resolve. But the color test can not be tricked. This is also why I've been posting some screenshots, simply to look at colors.
Muted colors is always an indicator of an inability to properly resolve colors. Strange, I'm sure most thought the sharpness would be the best determiner. Nope! |
Well if sharpness was the primary criteria it would appear that a 909 or G90 (with their focus systems) would be the clear choice. We know there's more to the story than that
The secondary colors that are displayed on screen and low level details when coming out of black and lightouput sans blooming are the critical elements for a dynamic display.
As for the LUG vs LCP issue, you'd need to drive both tubes to the same light output to truly evaluate the blooming. Regardless of the tube in question the spot size will certainly be smaller if one is running at 7ftl and the other at 14ftl.
The subjective component is what's really at hand; does the viewer prefer light output or maximum sharpness? Fortunately we have mods that help to mitigate these tradeoffs |
This can be interpreted from other way. The Marquee is far inferior to G90 or 909 in every aspect, but the video chain, so why not give the Marquee's videochain to a 909 or G90?
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| gjaky wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Back to properly resolving... I mentioned colors in my post about as it relates to proper resolving of a signal. Colors are one of the best indicators, while some think sharpness. Sharpness is very subjective because you can boost sharpness beyond proper resolve. But the color test can not be tricked. This is also why I've been posting some screenshots, simply to look at colors.
Muted colors is always an indicator of an inability to properly resolve colors. Strange, I'm sure most thought the sharpness would be the best determiner. Nope! |
Well if sharpness was the primary criteria it would appear that a 909 or G90 (with their focus systems) would be the clear choice. We know there's more to the story than that
The secondary colors that are displayed on screen and low level details when coming out of black and lightouput sans blooming are the critical elements for a dynamic display.
As for the LUG vs LCP issue, you'd need to drive both tubes to the same light output to truly evaluate the blooming. Regardless of the tube in question the spot size will certainly be smaller if one is running at 7ftl and the other at 14ftl.
The subjective component is what's really at hand; does the viewer prefer light output or maximum sharpness? Fortunately we have mods that help to mitigate these tradeoffs |
This can be interpreted from other way. The Marquee is far inferior to G90 or 909 in every aspect, but the video chain, so why not give the Marquee's videochain to a 909 or G90? |
Well we are all waiting for you to make this happen
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Muted colors[img] [/img]
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| greg9518lc wrote: | | Muted colors[img][/img] |
Much better than the ugly dudes
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