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thewolfman
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All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
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| thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome?
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redfox001
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But you should post some pix to.. why is taking so long?  |
I have only seen one full movie and Baraka again The visit was just as impressed as I was. Probable I could make screenshots now but I have some problems with magnetics and drifting to solve first priority.
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thewolfman
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| mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
The cheapest player is about 70$ or so, but I just can't bring myself to buy one, as I want a player that I know plays all the files I might run across. It's wasted money to go with a cheap one I think.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: |
But you should post some pix to.. why is taking so long? |
I have only seen one full movie and Baraka again The visit was just as impressed as I was. Probable I could make screenshots now but I have some problems with magnetics and drifting to solve first priority. |
You should try my method; with twirling the tabs, while looking at the screen only, until the movement of the dots are basically motionless. The middle tab, with my 6 pole magnets, I never use. So I guess there is more life left in this old beast with learning more about how the magnets really work.
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redfox001
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| thewolfman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: |
But you should post some pix to.. why is taking so long? |
I have only seen one full movie and Baraka again The visit was just as impressed as I was. Probable I could make screenshots now but I have some problems with magnetics and drifting to solve first priority. |
You should try my method; with twirling the tabs, while looking at the screen only, until the movement of the dots are basically motionless. The middle tab, with my 6 pole magnets, I never use. So I guess there is more life left in this old beast with learning more about how the magnets really work. |
Problem is the magnets are stuck together. I have to use to much force to make them move. So I have to clean them or use others and I think I put in the 909 yokes when I have to do it all again.
Got an oppo bdp83 for 200 euro.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
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Location: Maryland
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| thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
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What Moome card do you have. Can you take a picture of it?
You can't just minimize that line as being something of insignificance, when it's telling me you have a serious problem with something in your video chain. Or better still, why not remove the mods until you get this all ironed out
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jbmeyer13
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| thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
The cheapest player is about 70$ or so, but I just can't bring myself to buy one, as I want a player that I know plays all the files I might run across. It's wasted money to go with a cheap one I think. |
Buying a stand alone is not a waste of money. Before you start playing with modified boards you really need to have a stable video chain free of any anomalies (and that line looks like one). Otherwise, you could run into a problem and end up on a wild goose chase.
HTPC/video card solutions always seem to be inherent with all kinds of issues and compromises. Outboard video processors like the Radiance are expensive so I can understand hesitation with such a purchase but getting a decent stand alone BD player is not prohibitive price wise. If you are running a first or second generation Moome card you should really upgrade that as well prior to using modded VIM/VNB's.
Run a clean 1080p/60 signal straight into a v3 Moome. Once that is working you can evaluate your set up and determine if there are problems on other boards and more importantly have an accurate benchmark to see the differences between modded and stock boards.
The very last piece to the puzzle should be am HTPC or video processor.
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
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| mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
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What Moome card do you have. Can you take a picture of it?
You can't just minimize that line as being something of insignificance, when it's telling me you have a serious problem with something in your video chain. Or better still, why not remove the mods until you get this all ironed out |
Sorry, just woke up from a nap, but yeah, sure, I can take a picture of it. And it occurred to me now that it's time for new graphics card, and one that does 4k, so I'll go over the budget and see if can't squeezes it in. Good suggestions there, and I think the odds are that the one that I have have got something to do with this. I had to many strange things going on with this one that it can't be ignored.
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thewolfman
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
The cheapest player is about 70$ or so, but I just can't bring myself to buy one, as I want a player that I know plays all the files I might run across. It's wasted money to go with a cheap one I think. |
Buying a stand alone is not a waste of money. Before you start playing with modified boards you really need to have a stable video chain free of any anomalies (and that line looks like one). Otherwise, you could run into a problem and end up on a wild goose chase.
HTPC/video card solutions always seem to be inherent with all kinds of issues and compromises. Outboard video processors like the Radiance are expensive so I can understand hesitation with such a purchase but getting a decent stand alone BD player is not prohibitive price wise. If you are running a first or second generation Moome card you should really upgrade that as well prior to using modded VIM/VNB's.
Run a clean 1080p/60 signal straight into a v3 Moome. Once that is working you can evaluate your set up and determine if there are problems on other boards and more importantly have an accurate benchmark to see the differences between modded and stock boards.
The very last piece to the puzzle should be am HTPC or video processor. |
I know, and I am. A new moome v3 should be on the way, but a new graphics card, that does 4k, and getting a cheap ass stand alone bluray player, does not fit the bill. If I get a bluray player, I will have to get an internal bluray burner as well, otherwise I can't use the stand alone one. Unless of course I buy a movie, and try it that way. But, in the end, the player must be good enough to read all common files for it not to be a waste of money, so with that in mind I think I need to step it up from the cheapest versions. Not sure though, but at the moment I'm eye balling LG BP325N. Very cheap and reads all the common files and I must say I am tempted to go get it as it might fit the bill after all.
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jbmeyer13
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| thewolfman wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
The cheapest player is about 70$ or so, but I just can't bring myself to buy one, as I want a player that I know plays all the files I might run across. It's wasted money to go with a cheap one I think. |
Buying a stand alone is not a waste of money. Before you start playing with modified boards you really need to have a stable video chain free of any anomalies (and that line looks like one). Otherwise, you could run into a problem and end up on a wild goose chase.
HTPC/video card solutions always seem to be inherent with all kinds of issues and compromises. Outboard video processors like the Radiance are expensive so I can understand hesitation with such a purchase but getting a decent stand alone BD player is not prohibitive price wise. If you are running a first or second generation Moome card you should really upgrade that as well prior to using modded VIM/VNB's.
Run a clean 1080p/60 signal straight into a v3 Moome. Once that is working you can evaluate your set up and determine if there are problems on other boards and more importantly have an accurate benchmark to see the differences between modded and stock boards.
The very last piece to the puzzle should be am HTPC or video processor. |
I know, and I am. A new moome v3 should be on the way, but a new graphics card, that does 4k, and getting a cheap ass stand alone bluray player, does not fit the bill. If I get a bluray player, I will have to get an internal bluray burner as well, otherwise I can't use the stand alone one. Unless of course I buy a movie, and try it that way. But, in the end, the player must be good enough to read all common files for it not to be a waste of money, so with that in mind I think I need to step it up from the cheapest versions. Not sure though. |
You need to think of the BD player as a diagnostic expense (just like a volt meter or soldering iron). Buy a player and the DVE test disc and get on with evaluating your set up. Spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars on modded boards, graphics cards, Moome and not having a stand alone BD player as a reference is ridiculous.
It's like going off to build a luxury house and not having a hammer in your tool box...
I'm not saying you need to use the BD player as your end all solution but you need it in your arsenal. You certainly have the funds to buy all the other stuff so you can surely afford this.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | All I can say is that I have a GT430 graphics card. HDMI straight to the old moome card. 3 meter cable. That's is. I'm sure a different card would make the image a little different to, and I'm also thinking of getting another one as this one is quite old. |
If that line is there with those boards, you have something seriously wrong. Not sure where it is, but the card sounds like a good starting place. Do you not have another HDMI source you could connect to the Moome? |
No, but it would have been nice to have feed it a straight 60Hz signal, from a stand alone bluray player, and see how the image would have looked like then, and regardless of that line being there or not.
The cheapest player is about 70$ or so, but I just can't bring myself to buy one, as I want a player that I know plays all the files I might run across. It's wasted money to go with a cheap one I think. |
Buying a stand alone is not a waste of money. Before you start playing with modified boards you really need to have a stable video chain free of any anomalies (and that line looks like one). Otherwise, you could run into a problem and end up on a wild goose chase.
HTPC/video card solutions always seem to be inherent with all kinds of issues and compromises. Outboard video processors like the Radiance are expensive so I can understand hesitation with such a purchase but getting a decent stand alone BD player is not prohibitive price wise. If you are running a first or second generation Moome card you should really upgrade that as well prior to using modded VIM/VNB's.
Run a clean 1080p/60 signal straight into a v3 Moome. Once that is working you can evaluate your set up and determine if there are problems on other boards and more importantly have an accurate benchmark to see the differences between modded and stock boards.
The very last piece to the puzzle should be am HTPC or video processor. |
I know, and I am. A new moome v3 should be on the way, but a new graphics card, that does 4k, and getting a cheap ass stand alone bluray player, does not fit the bill. If I get a bluray player, I will have to get an internal bluray burner as well, otherwise I can't use the stand alone one. Unless of course I buy a movie, and try it that way. But, in the end, the player must be good enough to read all common files for it not to be a waste of money, so with that in mind I think I need to step it up from the cheapest versions. Not sure though. |
You need to think of the BD player as a diagnostic expense (just like a volt meter or soldering iron). Buy a player and the DVE test disc and get on with evaluating your set up. Spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars on modded boards, graphics cards, Moome and not having a stand alone BD player as a reference is ridiculous.
It's like going off to build a luxury house and not having a hammer in your tool box...
I'm not saying you need to use the BD player as your end all solution but you need it in your arsenal. You certainly have the funds to buy all the other stuff so you can surely afford this. |
Yes, you are right of course, I need to get one and evaluate. I'm going over the budget as we speak, and think it can be done and have been eye balling the LG BP325N for this. It's a few steps up from the absolute low end and that one + the cheapest GT960 I can find can actually fit the budget. It would be interesting to see whose the winner, when it comes to image quality, 60hz straight - or 72hz not so straight.
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michal.wrobel
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mp20748
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hello from Poland. Thanks for sharing your 1031 with with us.. 
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mc86
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Love the 1031 at 26 years old, Michal. Thanks for posting an old trusty machine's image vs the super-tricked 9EM machines that proudly (and rightly so) preen and amaze. Incidentally, how does 1080i look vs 576p? I'm guessing at 576p your scan lines don't overlap? At 720p my similar ECP lines do, and it gets a bit softer than at 1080i where it looks better.
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michal.wrobel
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I have never managed to get it working in 1080i but it looks good enough in 576p. I have a lot of dvd movies so it was never a problem. I used to have another 1031 that did work in 1080 and 576 looks much better (yes, it used to be a stack 10 years ago).
The scan lines don't overlap but are barely noticeable at the screen.
It is installed in completely dark room with black ceiling, walls and carpet, and is bright enough (45lx at 10% white) on screen much bigger than recommended (300cm / 10ft wide). Picture at 720x576 is a bit soft of course but I prefer this setup than previous 6ft wide.
CRTs build in 1980s are very rare here in Poland due to embargo in communist times. There is a lot of newer Barcos, maybe because it is an European company.
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I got a very good image after many hours of calibration but I'm not be able to take good pictures with my cameras
Can anyone help me to find the right settings?
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mp20748
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| pezzettino wrote: | I got a very good image after many hours of calibration but I'm not be able to take good pictures with my cameras
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Get you a point and shoot camera, they are cheap (US $69.00 - 99.00) Fuji is good one to start with..
Once you get something worth using for the shots post back, or let us know what camera you're using.
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mp20748
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