| Author |
Message |
napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 164
Location: Athens, Greece
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
Stunning pics Mike!!!
_________________
Marquee 9500LC Ultra with MP mods, Moome HDMI 1.3 card, Lumagen Radiance XS, Oppo 83 BluRay, Toshiba XE-1 HD-DVD, HTPC with Media Player Classic.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Wow this doesn't look like anything I know 
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
Posts: 1311
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: A few shots from me |
|
|
| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Four for now, but I have a bunch more from another camera. All 1920X1080P 60hz
 |
The third shot down is ridiculous..
That's Marquee depth for ya  |
1080p/72hz
 |
I browsed through the last few pages now, and it occurs to me now that your first image, Justin, is very dark in the lower part of the field compared to MP:s. You can't even make out the grass straws in yours. I guess I was seduced with the uniformity of your colours and without seeing the plain obvious further below.
Unless you were baiting me, I'm sorry for not seeing it sooner. But then again, who is to know the brightness and contrast are the same for the both of you. Just an observation! I'll think I'll better stay out it and just shut up.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 16171
Location: West Seneca NY
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
Posts: 1311
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Your right, I was wrong. I need to see that scene again to have another look at it, but the right side looks sort dark as well, but I guess that is just moving clods that goes with it. I think I need to watch the special edition scene again. Sorry everyone! 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 16171
Location: West Seneca NY
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 1135
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
MP asked me to post some photos he took with a different camera. These are of a new "special 02 VIM"
_________________
Projector: Modded 9501LC ULtra- MP VIM, Vold VNB, ETECH LVPS, Silver VIM Cables, HD10F's & a V1 case!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
Posts: 1311
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
I earned that. And I'm sorry for how I phrased it, Justin! I'll take a time out now I think.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes impressive! I allways think a screenshot is worse than the real thing but if he shot looks stunning....
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 1135
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
A few more for MP:
_________________
Projector: Modded 9501LC ULtra- MP VIM, Vold VNB, ETECH LVPS, Silver VIM Cables, HD10F's & a V1 case!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I do not want to be nasty but when you compare these image directly the Mike Parker version is very very different 
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 16171
Location: West Seneca NY
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Nashou66 wrote: | Justin is waiting for some ******* to come calibrate it for him .
nashou |
Ok it is a slow process to get to the level Mike has it. I don't even have an working projector yet
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 1135
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| redfox001 wrote: | I do not want to be nasty but when you compare these image directly the Mike Parker version is very very different
|
Completely different exposure settings on the cameras. I'm still working my way through that as I'm having a hard time reproducing what i'm seeing onscreen. I also use a AT screen which is why when i post 1:1 SMPTE shots i tape a piece of card stock to the screen.
I know Mike and I both run contrast at 85 but i may run my brightness lower and also have different G2/drive settings.
_________________
Projector: Modded 9501LC ULtra- MP VIM, Vold VNB, ETECH LVPS, Silver VIM Cables, HD10F's & a V1 case!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stridsvognen
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I would not be able to judge performance on a screen shot of movie material. Anyone who have tried to make screenshots of a CRT setup know how hard it is to make it look anything like whats seen on screen.
I think Mike has a very special CRT projector, and know how to show some of it in his screen shots.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 1135
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| stridsvognen wrote: |
I think Mike has a very special CRT projector, and know how to show some of it in his screen shots. |
For sure.
Also, anyone can see plain as day just how much more accurate the black level is on MP's shots. Once I figure out the right combo of aperture, ISO and shutter speed it should look much closer to what I'm seeing on screen.
As Kurt says, it will never look the same.
_________________
Projector: Modded 9501LC ULtra- MP VIM, Vold VNB, ETECH LVPS, Silver VIM Cables, HD10F's & a V1 case!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
True. When I made screenshots I set iso very low and exposure very long. I thought that the lower the iso the less noise. You need a tripod to support the camera. If I remember well I had it 2 seconds or so.
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 2257
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
But even than my screenshots where not close to Mike's
_________________
701s->runco933->8500ultra->cinemax->9500mp->919 splitpack + cinemax
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kal
Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 18114
Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | Also, anyone can see plain as day just how much more accurate the black level is on MP's shots. |
This is an illogical statement. You guys are arguing pointlessly.
With any camera you (the photographer) set the exposure any way you like which defines the black level. So there's no such thing as a screenshot or picture that can accurately show black levels as that doesn't make any sense (by definition).
If the photographer doesn't set the exposure, then the camera is doing it and you have no idea what's going on. Most cameras used in 'idiot mode' simply take an average picture level of the scene and set what they guess to be the right black level. This is called metering. Fancier SLRs can do spot metering or other modes. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metering_mode
If blacks look correct and the photographer isn't manually setting exposure, then the camera simply guessed correctly for that specific scene. That is all. Another scene could be completely different.
I'm not even including the fact that whatever display you're looking at the screenshots on also comes into play (brightness may not be set correctly or have a proper curve).
Comparing black level using screenshots taken with cameras is a pointless exercise. It's like trying to judge speaker quality by listening to them over the phone.
Kal
_________________
Support our site by using our affiliate links. We thank you!
My basement/HT/bar/brewery build 2.0
Last edited by kal on Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:30 pm; edited 3 times in total
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kal
Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 18114
Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Here's an example with the exposure (called brightness in this picture) set differently to show exaggerated results:
Here's one taken with my camera which allows different metering modes:
None of these pictures is "correct". None of these pictures is "incorrect". They're just different ways to set metering which defines the black level.
I can easily take the crappiest digital LCD projector from 1996 that has horrible black levels, and set my exposure in the camera to take a screenshot that gives absolutely perfect / CRT like black levels.
I can also take the best CRT projector with fantastic black levels and take a screenshot with blacks that are grey.
All screenshots show is how well someone understands how to use a camera. You cannot use them to judge colour, brightness, contrast, and ESPECIALLY NOT black level.
Anyone using screenshots to compare black levels of projectors has no idea how a camera or digital image reproduction works.
Kal
_________________
Support our site by using our affiliate links. We thank you!
My basement/HT/bar/brewery build 2.0
Last edited by kal on Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:29 pm; edited 2 times in total
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
