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barclay66 · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:54 pm Post subject:

Picture C could also be a CRT. It has a very small misalignment of red/green (red a little higher than green, visible in the wall edges that carry snow). But that too could be a misalignment on a digital...
Picture A looks like a digital to me...

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Jorge wins!!!!!

A is the JVC x500R al alone.

B is the Longbow Blend all alone.

C is both the JVC and Blend.

And C is super bright !!!!! But because of the delay between both set ups it is only good for still shots.
It ghosts when in motion.
Craig told me the JVC outputs 96 hz and I have that frame rate set up in my blend.
I was hoping I could use both together.

But As Justin said to me in a text that the CRT Looks f*cking good, close to the digital in detail and sharpness. Blending offers that. Sharp, but not as sharp as the JVC.

On my 13 foot screen the JVC looks astounding and I have not calibrated it yet. Look how close it looks to the blend in colors.

In person only the sharpness will tell you which is which. If i defocus the JVC it look just like the Blend.

together the JVC masks the ringing and the blend zone. That is what I was going for. A third CRT stacked over the blend would achieve the same thing but at a sharpness loss. Unless I have a MP modified Video chain I might be able to get it done Wink

lol

I have to say I really love this JVC best digital I have seen and I saw the RS 46 and this is a much improved image over that IMO.

Athanasios

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

The Drunken Wolf Wink

asked me to talk about how close to black the x500R goes.

Well I guess it would depend on the screen size and gain and how bright you want it.

I have mine set for now with eco mode, dark set to -3, gamma set to 2.4 and most everything else
at default. And its at about 1.5 to 1.6 times the distance of the width of the screen away. Further away helps blacks but you dont want to get into a certain zoom range from what i read about the JVC I am with in it.

Now to the Blacks, first I want to explain the blends blacks.

On my blend I had it to almost black but with any CRT if you set it to black you will always be crushing it as well. The Radiance helped there on CRT, where I would boost 2% and 5 % but that would elevate black so I would lower 0% luma to -10. That pulled 2% a little lower. But I noticed some Movies have elevated blacks no matter what. I had to lower brightness on the Marquee's but lost lo end detail. Towards the last few months I decided to find a low end on the blend where in short fade to blacks it looked black to my eyes. If I pause that scene it take about 10 seconds to see the grey( about 2%) . So I realized even there and with help from the lumagen there was detail in the low end not seen which was obvious if you raised Brightness on the Marquee's. For some movies setting it deep blacks was fine but for most it was not. So as I described it here it was the best compromise. I ended up with a contrast of 81 and brightness of 10 . This worked well. Oh and another reason for elevating the black purposefully was to help mask the blend zone on the low end. it helped hide it there.

Now to the JVC. At the settings I listed above with auto iris it looks just as good as the blend but just more shadow variations which add DEPTH to the image , and with e shift it does not look artificial like non E-shifting digitals look.

That is the big thing. I use to not like the flat look of digitals, this is not an issue with the x500R. 3D look with the objects also having depth within themselves. No more card board cut out scattered around the scene.

Motion resolution seems just as good as my Blend( Two VP's in the chain) .

I watched Mocking Jay and the new Hobbit. Both looked amazing and being able to shut off the twins and not hear fans was an eye or should I say ear opening experience.

I need more time with it but I know I am keeping it for the short term.

The Blend will stay as well if I can make the JVC have a permanent location so it doesn't get knocked off the ledge I have it on now.

What I may do in the future is move the blend to a CRT stack for 16x9 and use the JVC for 2.4. Both will be at about the same location on the ceiling so I can mount them in a way as to keep both.

But I have to admit guys, this is the real deal. I can only imagine what the x900 looks like, or when they get a true 4k panel out.

Athanasios

ecrabb · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:03 pm Post subject:

Thanks for taking the time, for keeping an open mind, and for giving us your honest feedback, Athanasios!

Thumbs Up

I know for me the absence of fan noise was huge, and was to be quite honest, one of the reasons I was willing the let the CRT go (even though I loved the picture quality). I know some people have quieted their CRTs significantly, but honestly - until you've sat in a theater that's so incredibly quiet that you can't really hear the projector fan unless you strain to listen for it, you just don't know what you're missing. There's loud, not as loud, pretty quiet, and then there's "can't hear it". "Can't hear it" is really something.

When I build my new room - hopefully this fall/winter, I'm building it so the projector will be further back, with a larger screen, so the projector will be toward the long end of the zoom range, so it's completely out of ear shot. All the equipment will be in an adjacent room outside the sound isolation envelope, so it should be very nearly as quiet as it'll get without going crazy expensive or crazy complex. I can't wait.

SC

thewolfman · Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden

I think this JVC is the one the tips you over to Digital, and if I had the money I would probably get one too, but the price is just to high for me. Thank God in a way. Coincidently, I went through what could be used as a substitute last night and came up with the Epson UB5030, and to get one it would be like 4 months worth of saving, but ultimately, I'm to obsessed about black level so I'm not going to.

Nice sum up, btw.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2257 Location: The Netherlands

I don't know what it is but I have a lot of wow moments in my movies again with CRT. The sunshine in a forest, the shadowlevels. When I went digital the hd350 looked almost as good as the 8500ultra so I went digital but a few years later I got so f*cking borred by it. I neeeeeverhad any wow moments anymore.

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2257 Location: The Netherlands

No I am not talking about the first impression. I meen what happens after a year. But I understand you are happy with it so my congratulations! But I also think shouldn't the x500 be much better? If they are the same why bother? And I think if you want shadow level detail look at the MP mods. You see something incredible.

jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

If Nash goes 100% digital we have to shut down the forum Shocked

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2257 Location: The Netherlands

LOL with Kurt on avs and Nash gone it will be quiet.....

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

mp20748 · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject:

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

barclay66 · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject:

thewolfman · Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden

I installed the modded parts today, and all I can say is - wow! Talk about 3D! I almost feel dizzy looking at it. This is with very bad magnet set up I might ad.. but it doesn't matter because it looks fantastic anyway.

I can't wait to get this baby all dialed in. Very Happy

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2257 Location: The Netherlands

Looks good. I know what you mean that without perfect astig focus it still looks very sharp. It is the MP effect Wink

Spanky Ham · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central

Interesting review, Nash!

I mentioned at Dr. Dogs that I started to get a little headache after watching the JVC. I would need more testing to see if it was the pj or something else.

Darin told me that he felt the DI really helped out on dark movies like AVP. For content that doesn't get that dark, he didn't find a huge difference between the DI and non DI JVCs. Personally, I would feel I was missing something if I didn't have the DI JVC. It was probably the number one reason I didn't pull the trigger on the JVC that Clarence bought.

One thing your shots show is how far we have come over the years. When for less than $3k, one can get this kind of performance it is incredible.

ecrabb · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:29 pm Post subject:

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Spanky and Crabb, that is why I think the blend will stay . Movies like Dark City and Harry Potter , the new Mocking Jay need to be able to get black. The JVC is so damn close tho on my 13 foot wide screen tho. If the screen was smaller I dont think it be as close.

But the main reason I got it was for watching TV since the blend set up would take too much trouble to make it play nice with DTV( 1080i to the 1080p@24 doesnt work ) for me. I plan to watch Killing Jesus tonight on the JVC. It will be the first TV on the JVC for me so we'll see.

Craig told me to look for background sharpness. he says it gets lost compared to CRT. I'll have to see.

I was slammed at the restaurant today so lets hope I dont fall asleep and miss the movie Wink

I wish there wasnt the digital Delay in the JVC so I could use it with the blend together. It looks sooooo nice on still frames in person.

Nashou

Athanasios