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Tim in Phoenix
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No marketing here
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kal
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Tim in Phoenix
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No marketing here
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HaydnG90
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That looks very awkward. Where are the speakers going?
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ElTopo
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With that screen size one projector should be bright enough.
Will the Marquees stay there or go up to the ceiling ?
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Tim in Phoenix
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No marketing here
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kal
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | The customer has low tables for the Marquees. His choice, low ceiling. |
Unfortunate. Best seats in the house taken up by two projectors. He now has to sit farther back, negating the point of a wide screen (wide angle of view). Why go with a wider screen if you have to end up sitting 5-6 feet farther back because the projectors are between you and screen?
Never mind the huge amount of heat put out by two CRT projectors (twice the noise). Does he have a plan for the heat and noise? I always ceiling mounted mine and hushboxed it so that the heat was sucked off to an adjacent room. No offence to the customer, but this doesn't look like a home theater room where any thought has been done on heat or sound.
| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | ... with insane light output. |
How many foot lamberts? Ever since I went digital I've been going with the SMPTE recommendation of 14-15 ftL and love it.
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Tim in Phoenix
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No marketing here
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kal
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | Funny how people can criticize what they have never seen. |
Tim, this entire thread was started by you clearly to market your products. Even your thread title of "E-Tech is pleased to announce a new BlendZilla system......." is obviously blatant advertising on your part.
So you have to expect to answer some questions instead of providing bull**** answers like "If you saw it you would want it". Most of the people here are very technical (engineers/scientists) like myself. They (and I) want to enter into scientific discussions about projectors and home theater, not bull**** marketing department-type responses like you're providing.
If you just want to blatantly promote your products and not have anyone ask questions, you need to go post elsewhere. This is the CRT PROJECTORS forum. Not the E-TECH MARKETING ANNOUNCEMENTS forum.
So I see the pictures you post and I ask questions or comments as have others. I suggest you answer questions and provide factual information. Even though you've said "If you saw it you would want it" so far what I see is so far from what I'd want it's not even funny. I'm actually surprised at some pictures you've posted as don't see how anyone would find them beneficial to help market your products. It looks like a disaster home theater waiting to happen, that also happened to cost someone a ton of money for 2 projectors and blender, in a ill-fitted room that's going to run hot and tight.
| Quote: | | Don't know about FL but estimate 500 ansi lumens as one Marquee is 260 ansi. |
It doesn't work that way, especially after you calibrate a projector and light output drops. Manufacturers will quote the maximum light output irrelevant to image quality or a flat grayscale, basically running the projector in flashlight mode.
Someone spending this much money on a double projector setup plus blender is going to be interested in image quality and will want some actual factual numbers instead of your "if you saw it you would want it" chest thumping. You constantly brag about the amount of light output, put your money where your mouth is and spend the $10 on a light meter to measure the light output so that you can explain to your customers what to expect in relation to SMPTE standards. Put up a 100 IRE window pattern and hold up that $10 meter and tell us what you get. SMPTE expects 14ftL and that's what I've always aimed for and what I talk about in my calibration guides for projectors. There's a reason why SMPTE calls for this - the image is bright / punchy engaging.
| Quote: | | Heat? I'm in Phoenix and can answer all of your heat questions LOL |
How about answering the question about heat I already asked instead of useless responses? The room the customer is installing in appears very small. Two units pushing that much heat directly into the room since they're going to be table mounted is likely to be uncomfortable.
Again, if you plan on starting pure E-Tech marketing threads on our CRT Projectors forum, expect questions and expect to provide answers instead of BS. Save that for the OT forum please. People here want to help your customer. You're not helping them.
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HaydnG90
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| kal wrote: | | Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | Funny how people can criticize what they have never seen. |
Tim, this entire thread was started by you clearly to market your products. Even your thread title of "E-Tech is pleased to announce a new BlendZilla system......." is obviously blatant advertising on your part.
So you have to expect to answer some questions instead of providing bull**** answers like "If you saw it you would want it". Most of the people here are very technical (engineers/scientists) like myself. They (and I) want to enter into scientific discussions about projectors and home theater, not bull**** marketing department-type responses like you're providing.
If you just want to blatantly promote your products and not have anyone ask questions, you need to go post elsewhere. This is the CRT PROJECTORS forum. Not the E-TECH MARKETING ANNOUNCEMENTS forum.
So I see the pictures you post and I ask questions or comments as have others. I suggest you answer questions and provide factual information. Even though you've said "If you saw it you would want it" so far what I see is so far from what I'd want it's not even funny. I'm actually surprised at some pictures you've posted as don't see how anyone would find them beneficial to help market your products. It looks like a disaster home theater waiting to happen, that also happened to cost someone a ton of money for 2 projectors and blender, in a ill-fitted room that's going to run hot and tight.
| Quote: | | Don't know about FL but estimate 500 ansi lumens as one Marquee is 260 ansi. |
It doesn't work that way, especially after you calibrate a projector and light output drops. Manufacturers will quote the maximum light output irrelevant to image quality or a flat grayscale, basically running the projector in flashlight mode.
Someone spending this much money on a double projector setup plus blender is going to be interested in image quality and will want some actual factual numbers instead of your "if you saw it you would want it" chest thumping. You constantly brag about the amount of light output, put your money where your mouth is and spend the $10 on a light meter to measure the light output so that you can explain to your customers what to expect in relation to SMPTE standards. Put up a 100 IRE window pattern and hold up that $10 meter and tell us what you get. SMPTE expects 14ftL and that's what I've always aimed for and what I talk about in my calibration guides for projectors. There's a reason why SMPTE calls for this - the image is bright / punchy engaging.
| Quote: | | Heat? I'm in Phoenix and can answer all of your heat questions LOL |
How about answering the question about heat I already asked instead of useless responses? The room the customer is installing in appears very small. Two units pushing that much heat directly into the room since they're going to be table mounted is likely to be uncomfortable.
Again, if you plan on starting pure E-Tech marketing threads on our CRT Projectors forum, expect questions and expect to provide answers instead of BS. Save that for the OT forum please. People here want to help your customer. You're not helping them.
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ElTopo
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I hope the customer will do some dark painting on the walls and ceiling ?!
CRT contrast will be destroyed otherwise.
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Tim in Phoenix
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Kal
Enjoy what little is left of your forum.........I don't contribute where I'm not appreciated.
By the way, I can't remember the last time someone here bought any projector from me, just some parts.
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garyfritz
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| kal wrote: | | Unfortunate. Best seats in the house taken up by two projectors. |
Not necessarily. With a blend the CRTs are much closer, since they're only shooting at about 2/3 of the screen. As a result, the projectors are at about 2/3 of the normal distance. I saw Tim's setup in Phoenix, and the 1.0-1.1x viewing distance was behind the projectors.
| ElTopo wrote: | I hope the customer will do some dark painting on the walls and ceiling ?!
CRT contrast will be destroyed otherwise. |
That was my thought too, especially since the side walls are so close. Sound is not going to be optimal in such an cramped room either.
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kal
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | Kal Enjoy what little is left of your forum.........I don't contribute where I'm not appreciated. |
I don't understand the relevancy of your comment. CRT projectors died a long time ago. Because of that, other than the OT sub-forum, this forum has already been dead for a long time. There's nothing left already. There hasn't been anything of relevance for a long time.
You seem to imply that this is somehow a forum that benefits me or one that I want to keep running, that could not be farther from the truth. I've posted many times that this costs me money to run, is a lot of effort, all for nothing in return. I really don't care what you post or if you post. I simply ask that if you want to use this forum for E-Tech advertising, expect some questions, as this is a Home Theater *discussion* forum. You can't expect to post advertising and not have people ask questions. Your responses tell us that you don't like people questioning or criticizing. You expect to be able to post, and not have anyone question what you say. The internet and forums like this do not/does not work that way.
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kal
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| garyfritz wrote: | | kal wrote: | | Unfortunate. Best seats in the house taken up by two projectors. |
Not necessarily. With a blend the CRTs are much closer, since they're only shooting at about 2/3 of the screen. As a result, the projectors are at about 2/3 of the normal distance. I saw Tim's setup in Phoenix, and the 1.0-1.1x viewing distance was behind the projectors. |
Good point - I forgot about that. I stand corrected.
Would still be better ceiling mounted to get them out of the line of sight but not everything may possible for everyone. That said, given what two of these projectors cost plus the blending unit, why *not* make it possible or try? The cost of redoing some ceiling work would be pretty low in comparison. When we finished our (current) basement we gutted and redid the ceilings and even tore all of the HVAC right back to the furnace so that it could be re-routed to remove a bunch of ceiling drops. The cost of doing so was pretty low compared to the HT equipment cost and I don't even have anything as fancy as a stack/blend.
I guess it just annoys me to not see a high end setup not reach its full potential. Reminds me of my 2-channel days when people would spend upwards of $10-50K on the audio electronics side but wouldn't even bother with $1K worth of acoustic treatments. To many people all that mattered was how much they could spend on the electronics. They wanted the "best" equipment and did not realize (or purposely ignored the part) that it's all part of the entire "system" which involves the room they're in.
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wanderer
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I am always intrigued by blends, so I am going to follow along here and see where this journey goes!
Clearly this is a new HT project that's just getting going and it's a project that will probably be on-going for a long, long time.
Cool Atlantic Tech speakers, those will have to come out into the room by a few feet and then moved away from the walls a bit to sound better in that room. Acoustic sound panels will be killer here to reduce the near wall placement issues as well. Light bounce from the PJs will be brutal with the ceiling and walls all lighting up being so close to the projector screen. Maybe 6-8 feet of Joanne black velvet across the ceiling and front wall areas to reduce the light bounce and get some of the CR back.
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Tim in Phoenix
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Wow.........
Customer writes:
"We had the most rain I think we’ve ever had in this area in a three hour period. Consequently, parts of our basement floor got wet. Fortunately, the projectors were elevated on buckets. I don’t think we suffered any losses other than the padding under our carpet was soaked. We’re having a company come out to make sure there’s no mold and see if there’s anything we can do to prevent this. The projectors are with the screen in the storage area. The electrician is continued big out Friday morning. We’re going out of town for the weekend. When I get back I’ll position the projectors. It sounds like it’s trial and error as much as a science. I’ll place them at 102” and turn on a tv channel to warm them up and then after 45 minutes I’ll put on the the JK crosshatch. It sounds like I can do just about all the adjustments off that one pattern. I’ll let you know next week how it goes. If there’s any other pattern in addition to the JK crosshatch let me know. Thanks again for the help!"
THAT was close! Would have killed everything but the tubes.
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Tim in Phoenix
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| kal wrote: | +1 to ceiling mount!
Tim, I'm assuming your customer knows you're posting his emails on a public forum? You asked his permission first?
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He said Sure! and sent the pictures. We will be delayed some with the flood situation, and he travels some.
I have six more projectors here, three extra processors and two bedrooms. HD10Ls in the bedrooms.........
Somebody stop me!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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Tim in Phoenix
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I remember now........
Someone here DID buy two projectors from me last year. It was Curt, those went out east to his customer.
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