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jbmeyer13
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Chris-
While I appreciate your tests and the accompanying theories; until you (or anyone else) solves the problem the fact stands that 180mhz is insufficient clock rate to run 1080p/72 and have an image free of raster ringing. Even 1080p/60 requires porch timing adjustment to a clock rate around 170mhz to shift the ringing out of the image.
Believe me if you can find a way to resolve this issue in the marquee I'll be the first guy in line. Until then I think (for wolfie's sake) we focus on what it takes in real world terms to resolve the judder problem.
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thewolfman
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PC is out the door, soon.
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greg9518lc
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Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread.
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thewolfman
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| greg9518lc wrote: | | Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread. |
Oh I am familiarized with Nvidia quite well but had to buy another PC because of a failure.
Anyways, the new AMD needs a thing called "Catalyst" to make custom porches happen.. but, whenever I download I end up with the latest "Catalyst" where that option is not even there! I had to Youtube all day long to figure out why I always end up with the latest version where I can't even do that. There are several videos about AMD custom porches and looks just like NVIDIA does, but.. not even an option when I open it up hence PowerStrip was the last option, and I don't like that program either, but worked with whatever I had to go with. The good thing so far, is OLED + monitor simultaneously which I wasn't able to do with NVIDIA so that is a very good thing with Catalyst.
I am still scratching my head how the hell you are able to run OPPO 103 with DL movies. I would get in line for one if I knew it would work right off the bat.
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gjaky
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| thewolfman wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread. |
Oh I am familiarized with Nvidia quite well but had to buy another PC because of a failure.
Anyways, the new AMD needs a thing called "Catalyst" to make custom porches happen.. but, whenever I download I end up with the latest "Catalyst" where that option is not even there! I had to Youtube all day long to figure out why I always end up with the latest version where I can't even do that. There are several videos about AMD custom porches and looks just like NVIDIA does, but.. not even an option when I open it up. |
Use Custom Resolution Utility (CRU)
Also make sure to force Vsync:on every time.
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thewolfman
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| gjaky wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread. |
Oh I am familiarized with Nvidia quite well but had to buy another PC because of a failure.
Anyways, the new AMD needs a thing called "Catalyst" to make custom porches happen.. but, whenever I download I end up with the latest "Catalyst" where that option is not even there! I had to Youtube all day long to figure out why I always end up with the latest version where I can't even do that. There are several videos about AMD custom porches and looks just like NVIDIA does, but.. not even an option when I open it up. |
Use Custom Resolution Utility (CRU)
Also make sure to force Vsync:on every time. |
Using CRU is the last option as that program is quite difficult to handle for at least me. But Vsync was news to me.. will try that. Thanks.
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racerxnet
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| thewolfman wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread. |
Oh I am familiarized with Nvidia quite well but had to buy another PC because of a failure.
Anyways, the new AMD needs a thing called "Catalyst" to make custom porches happen.. but, whenever I download I end up with the latest "Catalyst" where that option is not even there! I had to Youtube all day long to figure out why I always end up with the latest version where I can't even do that. There are several videos about AMD custom porches and looks just like NVIDIA does, but.. not even an option when I open it up hence PowerStrip was the last option, and I don't like that program either, but worked with whatever I had to go with. The good thing so far, is OLED + monitor simultaneously which I wasn't able to do with NVIDIA so that is a very good thing with Catalyst.
I am still scratching my head how the hell you are able to run OPPO 103 with DL movies. I would get in line for one if I knew it would work right off the bat. |
AMD does have a resolution timing page as part of the new software. Not sure how you could miss it. For timings you could start with some of the suggestions I posted in the PC section of the forum. I don't use CRU any more because the AMD timings work as should.
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thewolfman
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| racerxnet wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | greg9518lc wrote: | | Why is power strip needed? Nvidia has all the adjustments needed for custom resolutions.And I agree with JB get an hdfury with custom timings and while your at it Kurt can run 800p 96hz on his setup and has posted screenshots running 16ftl. No PC is needed to do this. Just run an oppo 103d into the hdfury with an external hard drive. Of course you will need someone to customize the timings on the fury. Would make for a good thread. |
Oh I am familiarized with Nvidia quite well but had to buy another PC because of a failure.
Anyways, the new AMD needs a thing called "Catalyst" to make custom porches happen.. but, whenever I download I end up with the latest "Catalyst" where that option is not even there! I had to Youtube all day long to figure out why I always end up with the latest version where I can't even do that. There are several videos about AMD custom porches and looks just like NVIDIA does, but.. not even an option when I open it up hence PowerStrip was the last option, and I don't like that program either, but worked with whatever I had to go with. The good thing so far, is OLED + monitor simultaneously which I wasn't able to do with NVIDIA so that is a very good thing with Catalyst.
I am still scratching my head how the hell you are able to run OPPO 103 with DL movies. I would get in line for one if I knew it would work right off the bat. |
AMD does have a resolution timing page as part of the new software. Not sure how you could miss it. For timings you could start with some of the suggestions I posted in the PC section of the forum. I don't use CRU any more because the AMD timings work as should.
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I'll try downloading Catalyst one more time and see. But it wont be until tonight.
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thewolfman
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I got interlaced to work fine now, and higher than ever before.. 1920x800 @ 192Hz! 
However, I need to try other programs to really confirm the numbers are accurate, and other than the UFO-tester, but no weird double layer any more. No scanlines, but occasion warnings of high CPU usage. But it is indeed working for now. To not jinxs things I'm keeping this resolution and make notes..
Oh and I did check ALIEN with KODI player and there it shows 60Hz.. but slow moving at times, like the CPU is struggling and not up to the task.
Tried refresh rate with another program I found online, and for the second times, 192Hz. No stutter either.
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racerxnet
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| thewolfman wrote: | I got interlaced to work fine now, and higher than ever before.. 1920x800 @ 192Hz!
However, I need to try other programs to really confirm the numbers are accurate, and other than the UFO-tester, but no weird double layer any more. No scanlines, but occasion warnings of high CPU usage. But it is indeed working for now. To not jinxs things I'm keeping this resolution and make notes..
Oh and I did check ALIEN with KODI player and there it shows 60Hz.. but slow moving at times, like the CPU is struggling and not up to the task.
Tried refresh rate with another program I found online, and for the second times, 192Hz. No stutter either.
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MPC-hc with LAV decoders and MadVr is probably your best, stable software for video playback. Not sure why you would have a high CPU rate when the video decoding is done with the GPU! DXVA copyback or something that takes advantage of the GPU should be used. Not at home so I cannot look.
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thewolfman
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Nah I'm just messing around with numbers to kick some time. I've heard about people running their CRT pj with 96Hz progressive - I assume - and wanted to try some alternative ones. PowerStrip shows it to be 96Hz though, I just noticed. But https://www.vsynctester.com/detect.html shows it to be 192Hz, the numbers are fluctuating around and within 192 so must be right?
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gjaky
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probably your tester is get fooled by the interlaced resolution, in fact the Marquee syncs up to 160Hz only, and most VGA cards topping ther as well, so I'd think your real refresh is what powerstrip tells, also what does the Marquee say?
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thewolfman
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| gjaky wrote: | | probably your tester is get fooled by the interlaced resolution, in fact the Marquee syncs up to 160Hz only, and most VGA cards topping ther as well, so I'd think your real refresh is what powerstrip tells, also what does the Marquee say? |
No, I don't have my Marquee running at all, still in pieces. But usually what my monitor can cope with my pj can too. MP has my vims and VNB or he just sent out the door. But I'm playing with fire becuse I get out range and loose image, I had that happen to many times before, hate to have that happen with movies and pictures there. I probably should give it a rest before something happens. I should have a small clean HDD for this sort of thing to be safe.
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racerxnet
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| thewolfman wrote: | | gjaky wrote: | | probably your tester is get fooled by the interlaced resolution, in fact the Marquee syncs up to 160Hz only, and most VGA cards topping ther as well, so I'd think your real refresh is what powerstrip tells, also what does the Marquee say? |
No, I don't have my Marquee running at all, still in pieces. But usually what my monitor can cope with my pj can too. MP has my vims and VNB or he just sent out the door. But I'm playing with fire becuse I get out range and loose image, I had that happen to many times before, hate to have that happen with movies and pictures there. I probably should give it a rest before something happens. I should have a small clean HDD for this sort of thing to be safe. |
Your logic seems a bit misguided. Not sure why you assume that the Marquee can accept the same timings as a single monitor can. And what makes you think the timings/pixel clock is inaccurate from the AMD,Nvidia page?
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thewolfman
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| racerxnet wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | gjaky wrote: | | probably your tester is get fooled by the interlaced resolution, in fact the Marquee syncs up to 160Hz only, and most VGA cards topping ther as well, so I'd think your real refresh is what powerstrip tells, also what does the Marquee say? |
No, I don't have my Marquee running at all, still in pieces. But usually what my monitor can cope with my pj can too. MP has my vims and VNB or he just sent out the door. But I'm playing with fire becuse I get out range and loose image, I had that happen to many times before, hate to have that happen with movies and pictures there. I probably should give it a rest before something happens. I should have a small clean HDD for this sort of thing to be safe. |
Your logic seems a bit misguided. Not sure why you assume that the Marquee can accept the same timings as a single monitor can. And what makes you think the timings/pixel clock is inaccurate from the AMD,Nvidia page?
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Because in the past I've had a "out of range" happening on my HP monitor which occasion never recovers from it, it's just black. Usually it snaps back to the last working resolution, within like 20-30 sec or so, but if not, well, then my pj shuts down.
However, when that happens, I had some luck that my pj handling the resolution making it possible to recover. So no, my pj has the upper hand and saved me many times from that occurrence.
With the many resolutions I tried I simply lost track of myself as an answer to you other question.
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AnalogRocks
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Get a 19" CRT Monitor for when you go out of range. Flat screens are poor for that.
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thewolfman
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Get a 19" CRT Monitor for when you go out of range. Flat screens are poor for that. |
Maybe I should, I'll have it mind. Ther's this Sony I keep reading about.
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thewolfman
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Much better now with the VSYNC showing different colour depending how well your timings are. My 1200p resolution, which is stock to this monitor, has grey almost all the time but flashes red or green somewhat.
My 1080p@72hz shows much more red and green so more there work must to be done.
As of now I am running 2560x1080@60Hz on my monitor and shows much grey also but flashes of red and green sometimes, but so little I would be happy with this. Now if my pj could handle it that would be interesting but these timings are a keeper!
http://www.vsynctester.com/
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