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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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I switched Blu Ray players and allowed a little ambient light in the room on these.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Now with no ambient light in the room. I like these shots, but this camera is the worse because it's adding grain to the shots.
Still the green bloom can be seen, but that's not going to be the case when the tube is swapped out..
But do look for the shine and detail on the wood in the backgrounds. The Power to resolve it all..
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Ive just connected a new Blu Ray player.
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gregstv
Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Posts: 628 Location: Australia
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What player Mike?
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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| gregstv wrote: | | What player Mike? |
It's an older model Panasonic.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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I just pulled the Green CRT and getting ready to do a quick glycol change. Only need it clean enough to make things look better, because it will be replaced this month.
I'll post back later after getting this done, and following a quick setup I'll post a few from Baraka..
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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I've stopped posting shots for awhile, thinking it would be best to finally get it all tubes matched, setup and calibrated before posting again.
I did however post three shots (below) in an attempt to show what I've really been working on in this last version of the boards. And that is to get them to be able to really bring out fully resolved 1920X1080P, which at one times was believed to have been represented by the SMPTE pattern, but I've found that's not the case. The pattern gives a basic representation of the resolution being resolved, because it cannot show when you'll really seeing the finer things in the scene or image. That required a combination of other patterns and a few other techniques.
The goal and essence of an HD image is the ability to show clear distinction of everything the HD camera had captured. That of would mean you would be able to see hair strains on the heads in the shots even if they are not up close in the scene/shot. This became a difficult task, because it was never set as a goal or used as a standard to determine when HD should be properly resolved. Only the SMPTE pattern, and it was far from being the ruler for this.
Anyway, I've made great strides in accomplishing this, to later find out, most cameras won't be able to capture it off the screen. Not the point and shoots for sure. So what I see on screen is not what my camera is able to capture.
In the three shots below, the first is a common "facial" or close up. It's not the best for HD representation, mainly because there is barely any finer detail on the focal area. So if using a camera to capture the pixel count (one of my means of determining things) the count would be very low. In the other two shots, the pixel count would be much higher, because the scenes are loaded with finer detail, that both only HD camera can capture, and the video chain would need to have the ability to reproduce. In those shots, look at the leaves everywhere and in their entirety. You'll notice that the leaves and even twigs are discernible. But because of my camera, the are not made out so easily. The camera could do better, but I would have to find its sweet spot during setup and that's not something I'm trying to do right now, especially not having things setup properly.
So what I'm doing is focusing more on getting that tube done and then setting things up properly. I'll also be getting a better camera to capture the finer detail. And in the meantime I'll most likely not past again until that's all done.
so in those three shots, from the first being a Representative of a close-up of front facial. It's not really an HD capture, because there's not a lot of HD detail in it, though it is really done in HD. The next two better represent an HD capture because of the finer detail. On the last two shots, and on my screen, things are more distinct. Meaning the camera fails here.
Also, the LUG tube with its finer dot or gun beam size is better for this, though the LCP is still good. The LUG is much better.
The other reason why it's important to be able to resolve finer detail, is where we get our Image Depth. And why that goal is so important, because CRt is amazing when it's has both resolve and depth capability. That's when the image is more fluid looking, or film looking. I also refer to this as transparency. Now I have to get a camera that can capture this, but will be making this all happen with the next two months. It's really on my screen now.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Was able to implement another tweak and also do better with the camera.
The convergence is worse (especially red) and focus is still not the best. The camera really sux still
Oh, I don't use Darby or any other image enhancement
And when I get the tube, I'm dialing this baby in. And will immediately get back to the G90...
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Here is a quick shot showing the RED.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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Man, I need an 03 VIM, the 02 is not giving me the flat response these neck boards needs.
These shots are using an 02 with me driving things a bit higher gain. Tomorrow I'm planning to do a gray scale and touch up and make things better.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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I've started making some changes and dialing things in better. Tomorrow I hope to do a color balance, but as I said, I'll not fully dial things in until I get the green tube in.
Oh, forgot to do the convergence...tomorrow on that as well.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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I want to do some Nature scenes later, but they seem to require a better focus setup than I'm willing to do right now. So I'll just post these few that's not in the best lighting. And will still get back later after color balance/convergence
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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Can't calibrate or do much further setup, so until I get some things changed, it is what it is.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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4K to 1080P Blu Ray
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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What player are you using? I think they look great.
So if one were to start a collection of real disc movies should one opt for 4k ones as they look the same or even better on a CRT anyway?
If one has a 4k TV that could act as a second opinion at true 4k too.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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| thewolfman wrote: | What player are you using? I think they look great.
So if one were to start a collection of real disc movies should one opt for 4k ones as they look the same or even better on a CRT anyway?
If one has a 4k TV that could act as a second opinion at true 4k too. |
It's an older Panasonic model, even before 3D.
The images are partially showing what Ive been saying about CRT not needing to resolve 4K in order to really benefit from it.
The original (commercial setups) display requirement dealt with screen size and resolution. If we went back to that rule the screen sizes we've been using would be more than adequate for better performance, we would only need a better source and the ability to properly resolve that 1920X1080P signal.
What I'm displaying is an older (2010) Panasonic Blu Ray player showing a few clips from "Planet Earth2" Blu ray that's the 1080P version. What shows better here, though this is not the only 1080P Blu Ray that's mastered from 4K cameras, is the quality of the cameras and the transfer. When done right it makes an otherwise scan line image look very solid and more true to actual 4K.
The same should also happen when using a good and native 4K player/source that's scales or converts down to 1080P. The issue then becomes the ability of the video chain, etc.
It looks amazing on the screen, and I've not touched-up anything on the setup, but could benefit from a color balance at least. And of course swapping out that green CRT..
This is why I'll need to help you guys get your setup to a better place, because good down-scaled 4K looks amazing!!!
Oh, and for awhile I'll still be on break, only doing a few screenshots from time to time..
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5689 Location: Maryland
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:03 am Post subject: |
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More 4K camera master converted to 1080P Blu Ray (Planet Earth2)
Did a better eye-ball color balance this time.
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