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mp20748
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I've mentioned this in the past concerning the Barco 909, and will say it again here. I used to repair these projectors close to 10 years. And was the only person known by Barco to do the repair work to the component level. And can say at one point while at Barco in California, they mentioned to us about me doing the board level work, but later gave up on the idea because the projector had reached end-of-life-support
Please do not play with the fan circuit, unless you're trying something someone else has already proven to have worked over a very long period of time.
Also, be very careful about trying to flash the control board, because any mistake in the process could render the board useless. That board should be flashed only if needed.
And there are other critical areas of concern on the 909, that should not be considered a DIY project. It is a quite complex projector in design and should not be looked at the same way as a Marquee or any of the other CRT projectors.
I would strongly suggest that for any repairs needed, send your boards to Curt. Curt has acquired over the years the necessary experience to properly repair these projectors and most anything. And he is the only person I'll offer any experience I have with it.
So if you really want an economical repair route to keep your 909/Cine9 operational. Send your boards to Curt Palme -- it is NOT a DIY projector
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | I would be interested in a step by step way to flash the firmware too. I have a program Barco explorer 1.2 but it needs a pc with a serial com port I think. I do not know if those still exist? |
Buy a PCI or PCI-E serial card. That is what i did.
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | I've mentioned this in the past concerning the Barco 909, and will say it again here. I used to repair these projectors close to 10 years. And was the only person known by Barco to do the repair work to the component level. And can say at one point while at Barco in California, they mentioned to us about me doing the board level work, but later gave up on the idea because the projector had reached end-of-life-support
Please do not play with the fan circuit, unless you're trying something someone else has already proven to have worked over a very long period of time.
Also, be very careful about trying to flash the control board, because any mistake in the process could render the board useless. That board should be flashed only if needed.
And there are other critical areas of concern on the 909, that should not be considered a DIY project. It is a quite complex projector in design and should not be looked at the same way as a Marquee or any of the other CRT projectors.
I would strongly suggest that for any repairs needed, send your boards to Curt. Curt has acquired over the years the necessary experience to properly repair these projectors and most anything. And he is the only person I'll offer any experience I have with it.
So if you really want an economical repair route to keep your 909/Cine9 operational. Send your boards to Curt Palme -- it is NOT a DIY projector |
Thats one view yes.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes |
I did it once as well. Just with usb to serial port adapter. It failed but that was because of the dead controller anyway. At the end of the flash procedure the software will restart the PJ. If it fails to restart because of (for example missing fan circuit 909vscine9) you'll have a problem like a dead controller. So be careful.... it's on your own risk of losing your controller board.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| K-L-O wrote: | Haha,
Now I can understand why I have a rectangular hole drilled into my chassis... 
And also Why I just found a black rectangular paper frame laying inside the projector... 
they are definitely brothers, probably blending twins. Anyway my switcher is different and looks like Case's.
How many hours on your counter Redfox ?
...anyway... my is still not working...
| redfox001 wrote: | | K-L-O wrote: |
[b]To RedFox[b]
I'm starting to belive mine is a brother of yours...
going deeply into the chassis I just discovered it has a female power cable (back left part of the chassis). I guess it has been used to power up a second device close to the projector. Redfox's and Case's Cinemax seem modded by the same person.
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Hi K-L-O I also have a female power cable. I think it is used for the scaler that the seller used. I must say he splitted the mains cable on the right place before the filter and in my case it was done neatly and if I ever buy a scaler I might use it so I leave it there. In my case there is also a hdmi fitted to the rear and it is done very nice.
I know that when i just had my Cine max I had strange problems but that was because I used a hdmi input that was not perfect but worked in the end. It was a modified external moome. But once I knew I had to be patient and boot my source after the Max had booted it all turned out fine.
I am certain we will find your problem but do you have spares? A switcher from a 1209s could be fine just check the numbers and post.
This is how the scaler was fitted.
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@K-L-O
I know the seller. He's a very honest guy. I think you can ask him about this. And trust me your projector is not highly modified just an extra power outlet, and a hole in the chassis for the TV-one edge blender. The design of Cinemax/cine9 changed a bit along the way. But nothing to worry about. I even have here a complete new designed SMPS2 with smd led's instead of diodes. I think people here a right, just fix the cable wiring like on the pictures for video switcher and driver, and you should be fine.
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redfox001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes |
I did it once as well. Just with usb to serial port adapter. It failed but that was because of the dead controller anyway. At the end of the flash procedure the software will restart the PJ. If it fails to restart because of (for example missing fan circuit 909vscine9) you'll have a problem like a dead controller. So be careful.... it's on your own risk of losing your controller board. |
Hi Francisco. I was thinking that the Max would still boot but give an i2c error with the adress of the missing or broken chip? But I agree flashing holds a risk.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes |
I did it once as well. Just with usb to serial port adapter. It failed but that was because of the dead controller anyway. At the end of the flash procedure the software will restart the PJ. If it fails to restart because of (for example missing fan circuit 909vscine9) you'll have a problem like a dead controller. So be careful.... it's on your own risk of losing your controller board. |
Hi Francisco. I was thinking that the Max would still boot but give an i2c error with the adress of the missing or broken chip? But I agree flashing holds a risk. |
Hmm I wouldn't risk that. Last step of flashing software is that it will power up the projector. Now if something missing or different like a 909 chassis while loading cine9 software (like in my case) it maybe just won't fire up and then you are....screwed.
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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One thing is interesting (besides the flashing theme)
Why does the Cine9 tray work in BR909 chassis ?
The fan circuit is different as we know.
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redfox001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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It might be the splitpacks are different as they have sensors to check for cables. Perhaps they need software for those sensors?
When the tempsensor does not work on my Max it still boots but gives a i2c warning.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes |
I did it once as well. Just with usb to serial port adapter. It failed but that was because of the dead controller anyway. At the end of the flash procedure the software will restart the PJ. If it fails to restart because of (for example missing fan circuit 909vscine9) you'll have a problem like a dead controller. So be careful.... it's on your own risk of losing your controller board. |
That is not my experience, you dont have the projector on for it to restart...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Case,
can the Cine9 Firmware be read out with the Barco Software (RS-232) ?
And then just flush the BR909 controller ? |
Yes |
I did it once as well. Just with usb to serial port adapter. It failed but that was because of the dead controller anyway. At the end of the flash procedure the software will restart the PJ. If it fails to restart because of (for example missing fan circuit 909vscine9) you'll have a problem like a dead controller. So be careful.... it's on your own risk of losing your controller board. |
Hi Francisco. I was thinking that the Max would still boot but give an i2c error with the adress of the missing or broken chip? But I agree flashing holds a risk. |
Hmm I wouldn't risk that. Last step of flashing software is that it will power up the projector. Now if something missing or different like a 909 chassis while loading cine9 software (like in my case) it maybe just won't fire up and then you are....screwed. |
Ummm... No, it NEVER powers up the projector during flashing, in my case it wouldnt power up with the jumper in place!!
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | One thing is interesting (besides the flashing theme)
Why does the Cine9 tray work in BR909 chassis ?
The fan circuit is different as we know. |
The 909 and Cine 9 trays are the same, the fan board is extra, AND IS NOT REQUIRED FOR EITHER TO OPERATE.
Both my controllers have Cine 9 ver 2.21, both work without error in the CineMAX tray and again in the 909 tray. No errors, no faults, no problem.
Putting the Cine 9 software onto a controller flashed with 909 software WILL NOT stop it working, and it WILL NOT cause errors. I know this because i have done it here twice.
Furthermore, as i have said before but ill repeat it again for those that missed it the first time as well as those that seem to have ignored it, loading the Cine 9 software was all that was required to cause the fans to run slower, the fan board in the tray was not present in my 909, yet the fans run slower straight away just by replacing software. Its not a coincidence, its not a fluke, its how it worked straight up.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Ill add more yet, NEVER NEVER NEVER USE A USB TO RS232 adaptor...
NOT EVER!!!
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Francisco
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | One thing is interesting (besides the flashing theme)
Why does the Cine9 tray work in BR909 chassis ?
The fan circuit is different as we know. |
The 909 and Cine 9 trays are the same, the fan board is extra, AND IS NOT REQUIRED FOR EITHER TO OPERATE.
Both my controllers have Cine 9 ver 2.21, both work without error in the CineMAX tray and again in the 909 tray. No errors, no faults, no problem.
Putting the Cine 9 software onto a controller flashed with 909 software WILL NOT stop it working, and it WILL NOT cause errors. I know this because i have done it here twice.
Furthermore, as i have said before but ill repeat it again for those that missed it the first time as well as those that seem to have ignored it, loading the Cine 9 software was all that was required to cause the fans to run slower, the fan board in the tray was not present in my 909, yet the fans run slower straight away just by replacing software. Its not a coincidence, its not a fluke, its how it worked straight up. |
Don't get angry 
This is great to hear Case. As what I remember about flashing software (which is a while ago) that you can also do it without jumper. Also I remember that it said on the end of loading "restarting projector" that's were it failed. Just my experience but again it was a faulty controller to start with.
Well if I ever want to try it I know who to ask, and will use my stone-age old laptop with serial port 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Oh im not angry, but i am starting to sound like a broken record repeating myself over and over!!
I bought a PCI serial card. Without the jumper nothing happened, and with it in place, pressing the power button did nothing.
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Any Barco manual available where it states that jumper W3 has to be shortened in order to flash ?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Try it and see what happens...
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I never had issues when flashing with a USB to Serial Adapter.
Worked fine for me with a Lumagen for example.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Its your call, risk what you will, but after many years of flashing Corvette PCMs and never having a single issue when others did using USB to RS232 adaptors, ill stick to using the correct hardware for the job, and will strongly suggest others follow suit.
How many Cine 9s or 909s have you flashed?
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