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9500LC Issue tracking: Low output from green tube
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CSX



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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:20 am    Post subject:

Curt, Possibly.
Here's a view from what I see.
The potentiometer in between the fans is the one I had to have brushed against.
When I made adjustments to it after taking a reading on P14, it was almost turned to the left completely... No silicone on it, but I had thoroughly inspected the supply before it's initial installation, and dialed it in.
I'm going to make sure it stays stable through the night, then will apply a locking agent to the stem.



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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:00 pm    Post subject:

Yup, could be one of mine. It's possible someone took the silicone off at some point in time, as I always set the voltage, then apply the silicone, then measure the P14 again. Then again, I'm not the only one doing the mod like this.

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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:20 pm    Post subject:

Almost makes you want to build a heater voltage monitoring circuit that shuts down heater voltage or sounds an alarm if an overvoltage condition is detected, doesn't it?

It would be simple to make.
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CSX



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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject:

cmjohnson wrote:
Almost makes you want to build a heater voltage monitoring circuit that shuts down heater voltage or sounds an alarm if an overvoltage condition is detected, doesn't it?

It would be simple to make.



Absolutely.
I'd like to implement the shutdown feature for the heaters, but for now, a monitor panel for the voltage tied in to P14 should do the trick. I'll be adding that until I can get an automatic shutdown happening.
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mac



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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:15 pm    Post subject:

I don't follow all the Marquee threads but why are you guys not just using a basic regulator circuit?
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:41 pm    Post subject:

E'home did that on the later power supplies. I just didn't have the time to work one out, putting in a pot takes me 1/2 hour.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:50 pm    Post subject:

mac wrote:
I don't follow all the Marquee threads but why are you guys not just using a basic regulator circuit?


The older Marquees had a bad part issue. the latest redesigned that circuit and it no longer is an issue.

You could just put a low tolerance resistor and remove the pot.

499Ohm 1% or better high quality.

Also might as well increase the 1000uf cap to 2200 or larger.






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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject:

Yes I measured the voltage to check it was 6,31 V and 4 V in standby. My lvps is a newer one. My blue tube has the filament glowing much more in stand by I think it has a lot of stand by hours. The new tubes hardly glow.
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mac



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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:19 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
mac wrote:
I don't follow all the Marquee threads but why are you guys not just using a basic regulator circuit?


The older Marquees had a bad part issue. the latest redesigned that circuit and it no longer is an issue.

You could just put a low tolerance resistor and remove the pot.

499Ohm 1% or better high quality.

Also might as well increase the 1000uf cap to 2200 or larger.






Lots of interesting stuff from Jea Hong Lea

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpcaudio.tistory.com%2Fcategory%2FMarquee%25209500LC%2520upgrade


Putting a resistor there or even a pot is not a good idea. Any fluctuations in the supply line would also fluctuate the filament voltage. A regulator and zener diode would hold the filament voltage constant regardless of supply voltage fluctuations.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:32 pm    Post subject:

I think that is how the new Filament power board is. it is an entire new board placed vertically in that location.


Here is that section for the filament voltage.

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CSX



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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:23 am    Post subject:

On the newer style PSU, what is the expected P14 value?
I have one that came with the projector, but it wasn't in operational shape.
Got it running this morning, but I see 6.6x volts on P14 with it.
Is this within tolerance?
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:10 am    Post subject:

Hi,

6.6 Volts at the P14 Connector looks OK when measured without load. There's a minimal voltage drop at the VNBs too.
The ideal voltage directly at the tube should be 6.35 Volts.
Less (e.g. 5.5 Volts) will make the picture look washed out with low contrast.
More (e.g. 7.5 Volts) will result in a punchy picture but it might cut off some Year of the tube's life expectance.
A small variation of 0.2 Volts shouldn't have any effect.

BTW: I'm preparing a DIY procedure for retrofitting older LVPS with the later model extra board (including building that board). That should be online within some days...

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CSX



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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Well. I guess I'll keep using my old PSU in place. Not sure what is up with the newer one, but it does some funny things that I won't trust until I go over it again.
I've already roasted one tube this month, don't need any more. Very Happy

I definitely appreciate the input, Barclay, and look forward to your DIY procedures.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:28 pm    Post subject:

Barclay's the best !!!

Wink

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CSX



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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:58 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Barclay's the best !!!

Wink


So I've come to learn Very Happy

Now all I need is a replacement green tube 8)
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:24 am    Post subject:

Hi,

I finished the LVPS document. You can find it here: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=437687

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:02 am    Post subject:

barclay66 wrote:
Hi,

I finished the LVPS document. You can find it here: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=437687

Regards,
barclay66


Amazing! Thanks! Keep up the excellent work. I'm placing an order asap 8)
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