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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:44 am    Post subject: sony g90 wont display dish network 1080p due to 24fps. help!

So I have the Sony g90. It looks great and I bought it from Curt. I'm trying to figure out what I need to be able to run the 1080 24fps signal . Unfortunately dish network only offers there 1080p in a 24fps and not the normal 60. Has anyone run into this? Any suggestions?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:48 am    Post subject:

You need a video scaler to convert the 24fps to 48, 60 or 72.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:51 am    Post subject:

Is there a signal converter or do I really need a full scaler?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:54 am    Post subject:

I know ya have to do something similar for the 3d. Have you dealt with this and this was the only solution?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: sony g90 wont display dish network 1080p due to 24fps. h

john t wrote:
So I have the Sony g90. It looks great and I bought it from Curt. I'm trying to figure out what I need to be able to run the 1080 24fps signal . Unfortunately dish network only offers there 1080p in a 24fps and not the normal 60. Has anyone run into this? Any suggestions?


Wait? Which dish receiver plays 1080p@24? My system the way I have it set up needs 1080p@24!!!

Your problem is my solution!!!

But you need a scaler to upscale to 60hz.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:15 am    Post subject:

To get the most out of the G90 a scaler is recommended. I just looked at the two Atlona 560 and 550, boxs neither accepts 1080p/24 input.

Let me have a look at Extron...DHC HD-HD BUT then you're into a full on scaler and for that price would be better served with a Lumagen, maybe one of the B stock units?

EDIT: http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Radiance_2020_Manual_WithCover_102214.pdf

The 2020 will do what you need.


Or an older Scaler like the DVDO VP50pro will also take a 1080p/24 signal

http://www.dvdo.com/documents/DVDO/VP50Pro_MANUAL.PDF

Please note: the standard VP50 non Pro does not accept a 24p signal so if you do go that route don't get the wrong one.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:22 pm    Post subject:

We have some high end Radiance 2144 units available (open box) for an extra $700 off interested: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm

Otherwise the 2020 is the entry level model. Really no direct difference in picture quality for what you want to do, just less inputs/outputs, and a few other things. See the comparison table half way down the page at on the page I linked to above.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:40 pm    Post subject:

Guys, this is new to me. Dish apparently puts out a receiver with only 1080p/24. I've never run into this, as I don't think we've got that hardware here in Canada, at least not that I've seen.

Will any of the older Lumagens (HDP.HDQ) do a 1080p/24 input?

Otherwise, are there older/newer Dish boxes that let you turn off the 24fps?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Guys, this is new to me. Dish apparently puts out a receiver with only 1080p/24. I've never run into this, as I don't think we've got that hardware here in Canada, at least not that I've seen.

Will any of the older Lumagens (HDP.HDQ) do a 1080p/24 input?

Otherwise, are there older/newer Dish boxes that let you turn off the 24fps?


I went looking on the dish forums and it seems that it only outputs 1080p@24 on VOD movies that are offered that way.

Unless they do have a new 1080p receiver out now for all channels. I wish the OP would post which receiver it is. Or if there was anew update I didn't know about to the firmware.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:56 pm    Post subject:

What model is the dish receiver?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:13 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
Guys, this is new to me. Dish apparently puts out a receiver with only 1080p/24. I've never run into this, as I don't think we've got that hardware here in Canada, at least not that I've seen.

Will any of the older Lumagens (HDP.HDQ) do a 1080p/24 input?

Otherwise, are there older/newer Dish boxes that let you turn off the 24fps?


I went looking on the dish forums and it seems that it only outputs 1080p@24 on VOD movies that are offered that way.

Unless they do have a new 1080p receiver out now for all channels. I wish the OP would post which receiver it is. Or if there was anew update I didn't know about to the firmware.

Athanasios


Just emailed the OP for that info. He didn't tell me that it was only VOD that the set has the issue with. He's under the assumption via his last email that no CRT will display any 1080p.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:17 pm    Post subject:

The HR34 and HR44 will output 1080p 24Hz for certain specific PPV and one demand movies. Most times the same movie is also offered in 1080i 60Hz. The HR34 and HR44 will also do 3D for specific movies.

You can either choose the 1080i version of the same movie from DISH, or you can use a video processor. The old Lumagen VisionHDP, HDQ, and HDPPro can accept 1080p 24Hz and output 1080p 60Hz or 48Hz.

I would much rather a new model though that can accept everything and will provide much more benefits with far less work. The newer Lumagen's are easier to setup and have less HDCP issues and much better image quality. I would consider a RadianceXD as the lowest model to work with now. So a Lumagen Radiance XD, XS, XE, 20xx, 21xx would be your choices for the best solution.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:21 pm    Post subject:

Problem is, customer is on a limited budget, and hasn't allowed for a Radiance, nor did I ever expect that he'd need one. I'll email him to take a peek at this thread, I've seen HDPs here for as low as $150 in the buy/sell section..

but thanks for the info! Smile
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:27 pm    Post subject:

I may have an HDQ for sale soon for about $225.

I would suggest that your client just not use the 24Hz feature in DISH. He can go into his DISH menu and disable 24Hz.

Whenever there is a movie in 24Hz 1080p, there is (I think always) the same movie on DISH at 1080i 60Hz. He just needs to click on the correct version for 1080i 60Hz. That is what I would recommend in this situation.

If he's new to the G90 than the last thing he needs right now is more complexity with a VP.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:49 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
I may have an HDQ for sale soon for about $225.

I would suggest that your client just not use the 24Hz feature in DISH.
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He can go into his DISH menu and disable 24Hz.


Whenever there is a movie in 24Hz 1080p, there is (I think always) the same movie on DISH at 1080i 60Hz. He just needs to click on the correct version for 1080i 60Hz. That is what I would recommend in this situation.

If he's new to the G90 than the last thing he needs right now is more complexity with a VP.

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Is this for all models? I have the VIP 722k in my theater and I only have seen 1080i option. But i never buy
VOD movies. I might try one day to see how the whole selecting 1080p works.

Is there a link on Dish site to see how this works? I searched but just got the forums.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
I may have an HDQ for sale soon for about $225.

I would suggest that your client just not use the 24Hz feature in DISH. He can go into his DISH menu and disable 24Hz.

Whenever there is a movie in 24Hz 1080p, there is (I think always) the same movie on DISH at 1080i 60Hz. He just needs to click on the correct version for 1080i 60Hz. That is what I would recommend in this situation.

If he's new to the G90 than the last thing he needs right now is more complexity with a VP.

craigr


His claim is that he can't disable the 24fps. that's the first thing I've told him to do, and that's why I was surprised that the option isn't there. He has the Dish Hopper system, which we don't have here in Canada, so I've never seen or used the hardware.

He also say that the 1080i signal looks a lot worse than 1080p. <edit> he says he can clearly see scanning lines at 1080i, so he's done a good job setting the projector up)

Prior to the G90, he was running a worn Barco 808 with no HDMI. I believe he was running SD only, no HD signals through it, based on our initial emails.


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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:57 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
I would suggest that your client just not use the 24Hz feature in DISH. He can go into his DISH menu and disable 24Hz.

That's exactly what I'd suggest. Just disable 1080p for now.

CIR Engineering wrote:
Whenever there is a movie in 24Hz 1080p, there is (I think always) the same movie on DISH at 1080i 60Hz. He just needs to click on the correct version for 1080i 60Hz. That is what I would recommend in this situation.

I don't think there are multiple versions of the movies broadcast. The bandwidth is too precious. I think they're either broadcasting some content (like PPV) in 1080p/24 and then telecining it to 1080i if that resolution is selected (just like a BD player does), or more likely, it's broadcast as 1080i, displayed that way on the older boxes, or on the newer boxes with 1080p selected, the video hardware ITC's it back to 1080p/24. That's my educated guess, anyway.

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If he's new to the G90 than the last thing he needs right now is more complexity with a VP.

Agreed. Just set the box to 1080i for the time being, and wait for a deal on an HDQ to make 1080p/60 out of the DISH 1080i/60 output. The quality of satellite content is pretty marginal anyway, so even though the G90 will show scan lines at 1080i, it's better than nothing right now, and it's free. Then, get comfortable with the G90 and wait for a deal on an HDQ that can take 1080i/60 and /24 and make 1080p/60 out of it.

Besides the HDQ option, there's also another option that nobody's mentioned. Most newer AV receivers will take a 1080i input and output 1080p. I ran that way with the G70 before I went digital. It's no Lumagen, but even something like a Onkyo TX-NR636 (under $500) has Marvell Qdeo scaling and can easily upscale a 1080i input to 1080p. Like I said, satellite video quality isn't that great to begin with, so a decent scaler isn't going to hurt it any - especially if it's just doing an ITC on a 24hz-encoded 1080i source.

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:46 pm    Post subject:

From what I read on the Dish forums, Dish does have two seperate movies in 1080i and 1080p . But only one of the VOD or PPV channels has it and you have to search for it. That is pain in the ass from what it sounds like. But he poster said the Dish tech guy told him there was only one channel carrying the 1080p. And you know how right some Customer service techs are. Wink


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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject:

OK this is a little off the topic but I have been meaning to ask and this seemed like a good time. Is there a dish receiver that has better PQ than others ? Does anyone have a preference ?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:54 pm    Post subject:

jeffslife wrote:
OK this is a little off the topic but I have been meaning to ask and this seemed like a good time. Is there a dish receiver that has better PQ than others ? Does anyone have a preference ?

I'm a DirecTV guy and don't know all the DISH hardware, but that I'm aware of. The PQ via HDMI should be roughly equivalent from receiver model to receiver model. They're all pretty abysmal though, so if there were a difference, it would just be varying degrees of mediocre, anyway.

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