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[benareeno]

Still playing with crt's...it's such a fun hobby.

I always just hated them for practicality...why??

I'll tell you some things that bug me...

1. placement...if floor mounted, you can't get a good seat. If ceiling mounted, the image is generally too high on the wall/screen unless you go with excessive keystone, or place the image way off center inside the raster.

2. loudness...they are ALL loud...ceiling mount seems to make them louder. I've built a hush box with rafter hot air exhaust. I never liked the look and feel of the room with a big box on the ceiling. I suppose it was ok during a movie though...just not ideal. But...there was an imposing box just above my head...bad feng shui, I suppose.

Now...i never thought rear pro was practical until now. I end up sitting a bit closer to a screen that's a bit smaller. Overall, the experience is a lot better. I can floor mount the projector and hit a mirror and reflect onto a screen.

now...screens. I think rear pro is where screen variation can be huge!

I tried a white blanket...kinda cool but too much light loss.
white shower curtain liner...some scenes look good others not so much.
spandex screen, seemingly better in some respects, but too much light goes right through the screen

I thought I was beat...I thought it just couldn't or wouldn't look good without big dollars.

Enter a Target frosted shower curtain liner, this is somewhat thicker and sturdier than the other ones. It isn't white, and it isn't transparent, it's just frosty. It catches a lot more of the light...and how is the resulting picture?

I would say, it is higher in contrast to any front projection setup I have ever had...My barco is not LC, but it looks like it is in rear projection with this screen! There is tremendous depth to the image...could be that the light path from crt lens to screen is totally black...those of you with entirely black theaters could likely get a similar image in fp.

and now the projector is nowhere to be seen...it's behind the screen! I can sit on the couch, and this magical picture appears out of nowhere. Projector is much farther away, so noise is far less of an issue. I can also set it up with zero keystone...although I haven't gotten around to this just yet.

My image is only 71" wide now...but I sit fairly close. I get a very nice and immersive feel from it. It's like a mini theater.

I see that some stores have 84" wide shower curtain liners, I may get one to see how big I can go.

At any rate, I think this is something that more of you should consider. The resulting image can really pop...and the projector isn't making noise above or beside you. I think we all really missed the boat the last 15+ years! I have watched several movies now...I never watch movies!

[AnalogRocks]

Funny you should mention frosted shower curtain liner. That's what is recommended for a scrim for Halloween projection. This past year though I forgot to buy one and used a drop cloth.

[AnalogRocks]

Funny you should mention frosted shower curtain liner. That's what is recommended for a scrim for Halloween projection. This past year though I forgot to buy one and used a drop cloth.

[benareeno]

good point! I should have put that on there...I also tried a drop cloth, and it was terrible

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Ok... Your image is a micro sized 71" and youre startled that it has a good contrast... And you think its all Rear pro that did that eh??? Any poxy projector is going to look pretty darn good on a 71" screen... The factory rates the contrast ratio around 15000:1... Thats quite high really... Im amazed that youre amazed.

Youre kiddin me arent ya??? You know you can buy a TV that size and it WILL look better than any AC Barco you put it up against, and probably wont cost that much either...

The 2nd part of number 1 really made me laugh, i have never heard such dribble in all my life. My image is not high on the wall, im not using excessive keystone, and sh**... Its centered on the tube faces too!! Ill be god damned... But lets be really honest, its not bloody hard to install one in the right spot is it, so you either just dont get the concept, or youre making it out to be a hell of alot worse than it really is... Id be happy enough at this point to go abit of both, youd expect by now youd know how to place a projector and set tilt. Obviously not.

Im sure there could be a ton of people out there happy to sacrifice image sharpness and size for a tiny 71" shower screen all so they can place their projector further away from them... I just dont know any of them. If i wanted such a tiny screen id buy a TV and be done with. Id even get 3840x2160 res thrown in with the deal....

[CasetheCorvetteman]

What Barco set did you say this is youre using???

[benareeno]

no tv would look anything like this image...all tv's of that size are full of noise, motion artifacts and other picture anomalies.

If you want to turn this into an argument, forget it. I couldn't be bothered....

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Then why post bull****??? This is about to be a direct repeat of the last time you claimed to be the founding father of the wheel that is rear projection... I bought my first rear projection display in 1998, and i was VERY late to the party. Was it good? Sure. Was it as good as a shower curtain with a Barco behind it? Ofcourse it was. It used the best screen materials available at the time, and it was LC and used a first surface mirror. Was it better for movies than an 80" UHD flat panel? Nope. Not in any way.

And now youre claiming to be the foremost expert on UHD displays.... Sorry buddy but no. Well maybe if you want to watch VHS tapes... Otherwise no. Not all of them have what you claim at all. Mine certainly doesnt, and im probably going to be just that much more critical than you when it comes to things like that, me being a gamer and all...

The FACT is, almost any current 80" digital set WILL blow away your little old barco on your shower curtain in every way. Especially if your source is an original 24 frames.

Maybe if you were doing this on a decent sized screen and with a decent projector... But a 71" screen and an AC Barco??? Mate this belongs in blow the low budget CRT topic.

[Spanky Ham]

Case,
I am not sure where he stated he was claiming to be the foremost expert. He is correct that a rear pro can have a better ANSI cr than a front pro. If the room behind the screen is totally blacked out, then it can more easily maximize ANSI cr.

Can you tell me where you can buy a good 80" flat panel that is under $2k? The cheapest I saw on quick glance was around $2700. You can get a cheap 70" for around $1k, but that is about 1/3 smaller that an 80" TV.

Would he be better off with a DNP or Stewart rear pro? Probably, but then the cost will rise significantly. Although he may be able to find someone throwing out an old DLP rear pro with an 80" screen. IIRC, DNP supplied a lot of the screens for rear pros in the last decade.

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Firstly, he said 71", so at $1,000 you claim for a 70" direct view, you made my point loud and clear. He doesnt have an 80" screen.

Secondly, he didnt claim to be much at all this time around, but you go back and read the last thread where he made all sorts of claims about how awesome rear pro is or was. It was quite clear at that point in time he had no actual experience with it and was playing on theories. You might really like the kicker at the end when he found out a bit of a short coming...

Thirdly, im not sure why youre here telling me he will potentially maximize ANSI contrast, you know i allready know that, but you also should know its very subjective to the actual screen material used too, and actual gain will still have the same sort of effect on viewability in a lit room. All such claims he threw out there in the other thread, while ignoring the fact there were a heap of other factors involved and that sharpness was almost certain to take a hit.

What i am clearly saying is for such a micro sized screen and for movie watching, buy a TV and get a better image.

[benareeno]

what a knob you are...you get enjoyment from dismissing peoples observations and ideas.

Rear pro is and always will be a better way to display an image...for both pic quality and practicality.

I guess I've been found out for the fraud that I am...i've only owned every single crt there is, as well as every top grade fp screen you could find...and now at least 5 rp screen surfaces...I've painted and blacked out my room...you name it, I've tried it. I don't come in here and make comments unless they are based on real world observation.

If you don't like it, then go to another thread.

THe comments stand...and so does the comment that you are a knob. Although you are likely suffering from some sort of dysfunction that compels you to argue on internet threads. Seek help...

[gjaky]

Case, 71" wide is 80" in diag...

[CasetheCorvetteman]

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[benareeno]

it's not a bs claim....it's what I see right in front of me. You really think I come on this forum to lie? YOu may disagree even though you aren't in my basement...that's ok. Disagree...

RP is superior in almost every conceivable way...as Gary Reber from Widescreen review agreed. I'm sure you are a much more knowledgeable home theater guy than Gary though....being from the home theater hotbed of Australia.

71" wide screen at 8 or 9 feet viewing distance is immersive and satisfying...and for my room, it's better than a 100" wide screen when sitting 12 or 13 feet away. It's a better viewing experience.

Plus, I and display a 2:35 image lower on the screen....this is also a plus.

[CasetheCorvetteman]

So you image is not centered on the tube face???

And again youre repeating something from someone elses mouth, but youre broadening it wayyyy out past what he wouldve intended. Sure, he said that, we went theough this before. But again and again you ignore the fact that there are many draw backs to rear projection, but not only do you ignore them, you claim they dont exsist and arent true.

Even the Stewart website was wrong in your opinion in the last discussion where they made it very clear that not all screens were suitable for ambient lighting, and even stated many required a darkened room.

I never at any point said you wont have a somewhat watchable image in your basement, youve spent 3 years or so it, youve tried alot of stuff and probably spent alot of money, im sure it looks great. Will it be "better in every conceivable way" compared to my 9" LC on an ultra smooth 120" screen? I doubt it, and i bet you do too. Will your installation be more practical and more simple than mine? I very much doubt it, and since you need two rooms ill bet you doubt it too.

You wont hear your projector, but i never hear mine either apart from first start up, youve go no hope of hearing it during a movie.

[benareeno]

IT IS centered on the tube face, idiot!!! That's one of the advantages of rear pro....centered on the tube face and yet not too high or too low on the screen. It's like talking to a moron...really. I could even do this with zero keystone. Can you use zero keystone in your fp setups?? NOt without a massive inconvenience to the audience.

DIffusion screens require a dark room just like fp...but there is an ability to use other screens which would allow a very good image in the presence of room light. I don't have one of those screens, but I love the image of this screen in a dark room...

You might not hear a projector if you watch the chase scene from t2 on a loop...but if your movie has dialog etc...you WILL hear it, unless you are deaf.

and I don't need two rooms...I just constructed my screen 4 feet from the back wall...and your 9" lc would look better on a nice rp screen. No question about it... I have spent about 60 dollars all told....and not very time consuming at all. The projector sits on the floor, so I can access it and tweak it with ease. Not as easy when on the ceiling.

But hey, if you want a big behemoth vacuum cleaner on your ceiling and consider it the reference install, so be it.

Can you book an appointment with a therapist and discuss your need to diminish other peoples enjoyment of lesser quality projection setups and ensure that everyone knows that yours is the best??? I don't think mine is the best...I think it's great though.

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Ive got two installs, one with keystone on zero, perfect height on the wall, love it, its great. The Barco has almost no keystone, back end tilted down, front angled up, screen is at perfect height for comfortable viewing, images dead centre on tube faces. No inconvenience to anyone that is shorter than 6 feet 10"...

The projectors are both at a perfect height to work on when i stand on my safety step, no inconvenience there.

The Barco is totally inaudable at that distance away from it, youd have to try your best to ever hear it with any other sound around. The XG youre correct, but i dont care about the fan noise, obviously you do and its an issue, but only because you think about it, where as i dont. I work in an indutrial and contruction type environment, so really, to think something as quiet as that will bother me is a mute point. I dont know what domestic vac you used that was so quiet, but mine is FARRRR louder than even the XG... And you wanna hear the FEIN industrial vac when i fire it up...

I dont have space to move my screen four feet forward. That would be totally impractical in my small home. I figure it was a smarter option to build a small home and own it outright while i have no children and then pay cash to build a large home on my land at a later date. Seemed quite practical.

My setup is exceptional, but i dont claim it to be the best, and dont care if it is.

What youre missing here is you couldve easily been smarter and seen there was a better way to go about all this by just dropping all the bull**** generalisations that we all know are just not true.


Now what i really think you need to think about and to strive for is to learn to control your emotions a bit better... Youre getting all up tight and wound up like a little girl all because i dont agree with what youve posted. And for what? Because you have an issue. Its not because i have an issue that you started getting all stressed and name called simply because i called you on what i consider to be a total repeat of past generalisations. Youll notice that im not in the least bit uptight, and its very obvious i am not phased one bit by your name calling or outbursts of upesttedness, but what i want to know is WHY are you so upset by what someone you will never get the chance to meet says to you on line? You took the bait hard mate Well done!!

Im leaving hospital in the next 30 minutes.

[benareeno]

stay there and go to the psych ward....

[CasetheCorvetteman]

Haha!! Im quite likely the most sane person youre likely to meet, and that comment is especially rich coming from someone in Canada