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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:57 am    Post subject:

I agree Keith yes, not so much that it is silly, but its not like as if its a lot of money anyway.

I have never in my life heard of a hobby that made sense financially. I should qualify that by stating that i am not maried, so in my home, the statement "Don whatever the f*** you like" really does mean what you think, so unless youre under the harsh boot of comunism, your wife wears the pants, or she lets you wear them as long as she picks the colour, then i sugest you do whatever makes you happy.

Sure, get all the info, but buy them if thats what you like. You wont need to be an expert to set one up, with time and questions youll learn just like the rest of us did.

For the record, i think the comment about them not being a good home theatre projector is absolutely rediculous. Theyre a domestic grade appliance, and a f***en good one at that.

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:37 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
I agree Keith yes, not so much that it is silly, but its not like as if its a lot of money anyway.

I have never in my life heard of a hobby that made sense financially. I should qualify that by stating that i am not maried, so in my home, the statement "Don whatever the f*** you like" really does mean what you think, so unless youre under the harsh boot of comunism, your wife wears the pants, or she lets you wear them as long as she picks the colour, then i sugest you do whatever makes you happy.

Sure, get all the info, but buy them if thats what you like. You wont need to be an expert to set one up, with time and questions youll learn just like the rest of us did.

For the record, i think the comment about them not being a good home theatre projector is absolutely rediculous. Theyre a domestic grade appliance, and a f***en good one at that.



Well double silly. I agree its not much money anyway and what the heck does matter any how. So double silly. What you say is also what I know and believe and that is hobbies don't make financial sense and they don't need to. So go get them if you want to be part of this hobby or bugger off Laughing Laughing and leave them to someone that understands the value and yes of course these are amongst the best CRT projectors ever made (all of which have short commings of one kind or another) so you can do what others in the past have not been able to do and that is start with a top shelf projector.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:04 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:

I have never in my life heard of a hobby that made sense financially.


If you have money that's OK... Smile While CRT is my hobby, I can't afford three neckboards to buy from Curt, and not because my wife won't let me, but more like because I could not pay the bills then, so it DOES make sense for me financially to spend or not to spend money on three boards those are actually more expensive than what the whole projector was. And as much I want new neckboards, still there is a price point where I stop and try to live WITH the given limitations.

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:18 am    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:

I have never in my life heard of a hobby that made sense financially.


If you have money that's OK... Smile While CRT is my hobby, I can't afford three neckboards to buy from Curt, and not because my wife won't let me, but more like because I could not pay the bills then, so it DOES make sense for me financially to spend or not to spend money on three boards those are actually more expensive than what the whole projector was. And as much I want new neckboards, still there is a price point where I stop and try to live WITH the given limitations.



Please don't confuse the issue. Because you can't pay for something doesn't mean this hobby has a financial responsibility perspective it just means you can't pay for the parts.

If you had the money and were inclined to spend it on those neck boards you may well do so knowing that there is no value for money but you want the parts to satisfy your curiousity or your technical desires or just because you want the parts as thats what a hobby is purley enjoyment at one level or another. Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:48 am    Post subject:

km987654 wrote:
Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.


This is the key, so someone is here with $1250 to spend on projectors, and he asked before he'd "throw" out the money. I bet it would hurt anybody here to lose that money just out of curiousity on something you are not that experienced.
For us this is already a hobby, he (the OP) wants to take his first steps, so he indeed have to think twice in what he invests his money first.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject:

Thats exactly correct Keith, i sent many thousands back in the day racing gas powered RC touring cars, both 1/10th and 1/8th. It made absolutely no financial sense what so ever, but it was a great hobby.

One day Gábor i believe you WILL be able to afford to take the same attitude, youre a smart bloke and have alot of ability, you will have no problems being successful in life. It all takes time, and youve got plenty of it left.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
km987654 wrote:
Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.


This is the key, so someone is here with $1250 to spend on projectors, and he asked before he'd "throw" out the money. I bet it would hurt anybody here to lose that money just out of curiousity on something you are not that experienced.
For us this is already a hobby, he (the OP) wants to take his first steps, so he indeed have to think twice in what he invests his money first.

Yes and no one is questioning this side of it, it makes perfect sense to be cautious.

You know as well as many of us here that when you started off with your first CRT projector you knew nothing more than what you had read. But look at you now, you learned a hell of alot because you enjoyed the home theatre hobby. We almost all started there, but as Keith said, this guy is coming in late, so he gets a damn good chance to start at the top!!

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km987654



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:03 am    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
km987654 wrote:
Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.


This is the key, so someone is here with $1250 to spend on projectors, and he asked before he'd "throw" out the money. I bet it would hurt anybody here to lose that money just out of curiousity on something you are not that experienced.
For us this is already a hobby, he (the OP) wants to take his first steps, so he indeed have to think twice in what he invests his money first.



I am not saying he should not do his home work or throw away money. He should do his home work but at some point no matter what he finds he will encounter a risk. Most of us feel a bit more confident than a new starter because we have experience. If he really wants to get into this hobby he will need to take a risk and if there is a problem work through the problem which is what most of us do without giving it too much thought. His decision is at what level does he want to get involved. G90s are right up at the top. A good and bad place to start.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Thats exactly correct Keith, i sent many thousands back in the day racing gas powered RC touring cars, both 1/10th and 1/8th. It made absolutely no financial sense what so ever, but it was a great hobby.

One day Gábor i believe you WILL be able to afford to take the same attitude, youre a smart bloke and have alot of ability, you will have no problems being successful in life. It all takes time, and youve got plenty of it left.


Thats right Case thats what a hobby is.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:08 pm    Post subject:

But going through the hobby teaches you old days electronics. These days all we learn is to replace a printboard. With the CRT you have to understand how it works and that is valuable knowledge although it is not asked much anymore in the repair world. Perhaps some day when the whole system collaps it is valuable again to repair your own stuff Sad
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gjaky



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:04 pm    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
But going through the hobby teaches you old days electronics. These days all we learn is to replace a printboard. With the CRT you have to understand how it works and that is valuable knowledge although it is not asked much anymore in the repair world. Perhaps some day when the whole system collaps it is valuable again to repair your own stuff Sad


99% of the forum still follow the replace the printboard scheme with CRTs too, but that's OK, spare parts (sometimes whole machines) are usualy cheaper than labour time, so I don't think that is a valid point. Not to mention there are many parts even in these CRT projectors which are hard to find/repair alone: ic421 for the G90, various ics in the XG and G70, system board in NECs, Marquee HVPS/LVPS, Barco quadroupler and so on.

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject:

A hobby or an interest can cost virtually nothing. Mathematics could be your hobby or interest couldn't it? That shouldn't break the bank. It doesn't float my boat but my point is that surely there are plenty of inexpensive hobbies out there. Or are we saying that the best hobbies cost the most money?

Up until recently I'd argue CRT projection has always been a relatively expensive hobby. I'd argue it's still expensive if you want to be playing with high end machines. However, it's all relative to an individual's income I suppose. If I had the spare cash I'd still be cautious - that's my nature. I can't deny I'd be excited to take the plunge and go for the two G90s but given my personal circumstances I couldn't warrant it.

Anyhow, even 8" machines are scarce in the UK and they're now worth virtually nothing because there is no support for them here - that's about the time I can afford a broken one. Trying to get it to work is part of the hobby. I'm giving CRT one last push and will try to make it run for as long as possible.

I wanted to be part of the CRT scene but I have very little disposable income. Each of my hobbies has been done on virtually no money. Building and repairing my own speakers. Fixing up old amplifiers to use. Buying an affordable 7" CRT projector to watch DVDs on my homemade canvas and paint screen.

Yes I'm behind the times but it's the only way I can buy into this hobby at a level I can afford. Owning a Ferrari, no matter how old or relatively inexpensive of a Ferrari it may be, is a hobby I will probably always be excluded from. Thankfully I can afford to be involved with CRT projection at some level.

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Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.


That may be true. However, whether intended or not, that statement sounds a bit cold - maybe because it feels like it's aimed at people like me. I'm not stupid. In fact I'm far from it. However, life has not turned out as I thought it would. I'm not a high earner but it was expected I would be. Anything I hoped and dreamed for hasn't worked out. Unfortunately, my future looks very uncertain.

Maybe I've failed to make a real point. Think I'm trying to put some perspective on things. Just my two cents as some of you guys say and on that basis it's as valid as anyone elses.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:55 pm    Post subject:

^^Well said.^^
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject:

And sometimes your hobbies will also make you money.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:25 pm    Post subject:

macgyver655 wrote:
And sometimes your hobbies will also make you money.



Yep, my hobby pays for my hobby !

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:32 am    Post subject:

cosaw wrote:
A hobby or an interest can cost virtually nothing. Mathematics could be your hobby or interest couldn't it? That shouldn't break the bank. It doesn't float my boat but my point is that surely there are plenty of inexpensive hobbies out there. Or are we saying that the best hobbies cost the most money?

Up until recently I'd argue CRT projection has always been a relatively expensive hobby. I'd argue it's still expensive if you want to be playing with high end machines. However, it's all relative to an individual's income I suppose. If I had the spare cash I'd still be cautious - that's my nature. I can't deny I'd be excited to take the plunge and go for the two G90s but given my personal circumstances I couldn't warrant it.

Anyhow, even 8" machines are scarce in the UK and they're now worth virtually nothing because there is no support for them here - that's about the time I can afford a broken one. Trying to get it to work is part of the hobby. I'm giving CRT one last push and will try to make it run for as long as possible.

I wanted to be part of the CRT scene but I have very little disposable income. Each of my hobbies has been done on virtually no money. Building and repairing my own speakers. Fixing up old amplifiers to use. Buying an affordable 7" CRT projector to watch DVDs on my homemade canvas and paint screen.

Yes I'm behind the times but it's the only way I can buy into this hobby at a level I can afford. Owning a Ferrari, no matter how old or relatively inexpensive of a Ferrari it may be, is a hobby I will probably always be excluded from. Thankfully I can afford to be involved with CRT projection at some level.

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Your ability to fund your hobby is your problem to solve.


That may be true. However, whether intended or not, that statement sounds a bit cold - maybe because it feels like it's aimed at people like me. I'm not stupid. In fact I'm far from it. However, life has not turned out as I thought it would. I'm not a high earner but it was expected I would be. Anything I hoped and dreamed for hasn't worked out. Unfortunately, my future looks very uncertain.

Maybe I've failed to make a real point. Think I'm trying to put some perspective on things. Just my two cents as some of you guys say and on that basis it's as valid as anyone elses.



The quote is aimed at everyone. Everyone has to find away to fund their respective interests its just a fact. Facts can be cold so perhaps that why you see it that way. In your case you just do what you can when the opportunity arises.
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:13 pm    Post subject:

Quote:
The quote is aimed at everyone. Everyone has to find away to fund their respective interests its just a fact. Facts can be cold so perhaps that why you see it that way.


Yes I realise that. I don't think I've got a chip on my shoulder but I do feel hard done by often and this time of year just makes you feel more like that. I hate anniversaries of any kind.

Anyway we're all here (on this forum) for the same reason. So we've got to remember to try and help each other out as best we can. I don't think everyone agrees that hobbies by nature burn a huge hole in your pocket or that's the only way a hobby or interest is of any validity or enjoyment. We have to take that into account when responding to the original poster - after all, he's new, and we don't know much about him, or his nature when it comes to spending money on hobbies or interests.
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject:

Every single person has a different threshold - both in terms of time and money - as to whether something is "worth it." I agree with ecrabb and cosaw - the OP's questions were incredibly reasonable, and most of the respondents offered him exactly the information he was looking for to determine whether buying these two G90's was worth it to him. That's one of the major reasons this forum exists. He decided it wasn't worth it to him, and no one can tell him his questions or decisiosn are right or wrong.

If you think his questions or others' answers were somehow unreasonable, then 1) you're probably participating in the wrong section of the forum, and 2) just don't post.

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject:

HogPilot wrote:
Every single person has a different threshold - both in terms of time and money - as to whether something is "worth it." I agree with ecrabb and cosaw - the OP's questions were incredibly reasonable, and most of the respondents offered him exactly the information he was looking for to determine whether buying these two G90's was worth it to him. That's one of the major reasons this forum exists. He decided it wasn't worth it to him, and no one can tell him his questions or decisiosn are right or wrong.

If you think his questions or others' answers were somehow unreasonable, then 1) you're probably participating in the wrong section of the forum, and 2) just don't post.


Who thinks his questions are unreasonable? Can't see that anywhere. This the right forum and as far as posting is concerned anyone can no matter their view if someone doesn't like a post they are free not to respond.

He made his choice on a risk v return basis which he is entitled to do its just a flawed process in this case which is my view and that's no different to anyone else and their views.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:44 am    Post subject:

Exactly Keith, at no point did i ever get the impression anyone claimed his questions to be unreasonable at all, so its got me stuffed where that line of thinking came from.
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