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And so it starts- Barco 909 stack!
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
But inside the Barco all voltages are the same. But is there really a risk when turning the astig? The video out board is behind a metal part. Ok in a fault condition that metal part could carry a voltage I guess? Perhaps if you don't connect the ground wires? Good tips.

I wouldnt run without the earth wire hooked up, its illegal in Australia!! Laughing

Im more concerned about the conductive parts of the neckboards really.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:59 am    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Onkyo <-> Lumagen


Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge™ so it seems it has DCDi

But wouldn't it be best to do

sources - onkyo - lumagen - moome

or possibly

sources - onkyo - dhcp removing splitter - lumagen and analog to the projector.

HD sound and HDMI splitting using the reciever but having the lumagen to tweak the timings!

Yeah that might be the older version, my 347 has that one, the 360 has DCDi Cinema, which certainly has more features, but whether its much better i dont know

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redfox001



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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:02 am    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Onkyo <-> Lumagen


Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge™ so it seems it has DCDi

But wouldn't it be best to do

sources - onkyo - lumagen - moome

or possibly

sources - onkyo - dhcp removing splitter - lumagen and analog to the projector.

HD sound and HDMI splitting using the reciever but having the lumagen to tweak the timings!


He Fragzero. You still have a CRT?

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Onkyo <-> Lumagen


Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge™ so it seems it has DCDi

But wouldn't it be best to do

sources - onkyo - lumagen - moome

or possibly

sources - onkyo - dhcp removing splitter - lumagen and analog to the projector.

HD sound and HDMI splitting using the reciever but having the lumagen to tweak the timings!


That might indeed be the way to go, and turn off the internal scaler. I'll play with it.

Case, yes, align one perfectly, then turn on the red of one and align to the other. So far I've used the internal Lumagen pattern generator for the grid, but again, no measuring tape was used so far.

I've stripped my rack last night of all things electronic, this afternoon I'll go get a couple of HDMI-DVI cables, and I should be good to go. I forgot I was using the Fury3, out it comes and in goes the Moome!
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gnnash



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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject:

I have an Onkyo TX-SR707 with a DCDI scaler in it as well. I run it in through resolution mode, through a cheap HDMI splitter/stripper, into my HDQ. Then I use the HDQ to fiddle with timings and output to my projector. Lumagen does all the scaling, and there is still only the receiver involved to switch HDMI sources.

For laserdisc, I run the composite video straight into the Lumagen. Its deinterlacing and comb filter are far superior to what I get when running laserdisc material through the receiver first.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject:

OK thanks for the input! Once Irule gets put in, the multiple remotes and switching won't be an issue regardless how I do it, but for now, a 1 remote operation would be nice to have.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:36 pm    Post subject:

I've come for the pictures. Give me more pictures and no-one gets hurt!
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
fragzero wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Onkyo <-> Lumagen


Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge™ so it seems it has DCDi

But wouldn't it be best to do

sources - onkyo - lumagen - moome

or possibly

sources - onkyo - dhcp removing splitter - lumagen and analog to the projector.

HD sound and HDMI splitting using the reciever but having the lumagen to tweak the timings!


That might indeed be the way to go, and turn off the internal scaler. I'll play with it.

Case, yes, align one perfectly, then turn on the red of one and align to the other. So far I've used the internal Lumagen pattern generator for the grid, but again, no measuring tape was used so far.

I've stripped my rack last night of all things electronic, this afternoon I'll go get a couple of HDMI-DVI cables, and I should be good to go. I forgot I was using the Fury3, out it comes and in goes the Moome!

Although i dont always speak so highly of the V3 EXT, i did find it to be a shade better than the HDF3, but so it should be if the specs are anything to go by.

There is probably a pass through mode on the Faroudja, ive got mine on with my AVRs, although ive done no testing either way.

Im not sure if youve tried converging with both the Lumagen pattern and the normal Barco pattern, i always set the geometry with an external pattern if i can because it fits perfectly to the screen edges in the correct ratio, but ive found i get better results easier by using the internal pattern for red on green then i usually go blue on red.

Biggest problem is you really need the set to run for about 45 minutes before you do anything serious!! Once it does that it seems to remain aligned very well, except for the first 10-15 minutes or so. I am not used to that coming from all those NECs.

I havent seen the Lumagen pattern so i dont know how fine the lines are or how well they line up with the zones Smile

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject:

If I get assistance tonight or tomorrow, the second 909 is ready to go up! Pix will be posted, don't kill the hostages yet!
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject:

Hey

Best to confirm you have enough range of H Linearity in the first machine before hanging the second one........
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:06 pm    Post subject:

Got lots. I think you could put a 909 at a 45 degree angle with the screen, and you'd get a watchable image! Very Happy
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:07 pm    Post subject:

He Case I realy don't have that with my Barco. When I start it up the convergence in the middle is immediately right, in the corners it might get a little better but I don't notice any misalignment on a normal desktop. I need a testpattern to see it at all but I never tried because ther is no drift at all visible. I found that remarkable as my other CRT's did what you say. It must be that the caps have gone a little older in your Barco. I think on the second smps.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject:

I used 3 scalers at once when doing DVD playback. The Denon DVD-5910 scaler, then into the AVR 5805 scaler, then into the DVDO VP30 scaler.

May not be the most desirable setup, but let me tell you, those DVDs looked as good as a blu ray did.

Experiment until you find what works best for you. I can't wait to see this 909 stack running Very Happy

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject:

Curt you should of kept this all quite. Now I am thinking of trying to stack the XG's. The wife is going to kill. Very Happy
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Got lots. I think you could put a 909 at a 45 degree angle with the screen, and you'd get a watchable image! Very Happy

Yeah there really is loads, they were designed with this in mind id have to think.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:59 am    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
He Case I realy don't have that with my Barco. When I start it up the convergence in the middle is immediately right, in the corners it might get a little better but I don't notice any misalignment on a normal desktop. I need a testpattern to see it at all but I never tried because ther is no drift at all visible. I found that remarkable as my other CRT's did what you say. It must be that the caps have gone a little older in your Barco. I think on the second smps.

I can just barely tell from the lounge, but its the sharpness that gives it away, if i go up close i can see it reasonably easily.

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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:04 am    Post subject:

gregstv wrote:
Curt you should of kept this all quite. Now I am thinking of trying to stack the XG's. The wife is going to kill. Very Happy

I stacked Sony VPH-1001 QMs once...



I had nowhere else to store them at the time Laughing

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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject:

More work on the room today. The analog Denon came out along with a bunch of cables. New to me Onkyo TX-NR808 is going in. Forgot I picked this one up from the recycler. So far, an hour in, and the HDMI switching is working fine. Not sure why this receiver was thrown out..Smile

Below, in order is:

-mess of analog wiring removed from the old system

-wiring coming out of the back HT wall. Right rack is for the multiroom keypad system, 12 pairs of speakers in the house. Been working fine for 12 years save for a couple of intermittent relays for audio switching, not a big issue.

-the open ceiling that will be covered by homemade acoustic panels to hide everything. Saves me from closing the walls back up, and I can remove the panels to run more stuff if I ever need to.

-no question that HDMI cables really clean up a rack! Smile

Sources are:

Satellite box
BR player
HD DVD player
XBox 360
PS3 (once I make sure it works)
SACD player
VHS machine (!!)

More pix to come, waiting for my buddy to show up!



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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject:

First movie last night.. Blood Diamond on HD DVD! Smile

Got home late, but Barb hadn't seen the theatre, so I wanted to throw in something. She picked the flick. While I only spent about 45 minutes on the main projector (second one is up, but we miscalculated the angle, so it's being shifted today). We made it about 30 minutes into the flick before falling asleep. Typical Curt behaviour after 10 PM..

Other than changing the projector from a 9500 LC non Ultra to the 909, the single biggest difference that was HUGE is the change to an all HDMI chain. I sorta cobbled the system together in the past, not having an HDMI switching receiver. I had Extron AB switches in there, a Fury3, the Lumagen, etc. Now it's all digital save for the last connection to the Moome box, No Lumagen in the chain yet, I'll put that in today. MASSIVE difference keeping things all HDMI to the Moome. Not sure if I had a bad AB RGB switch in there, whether it's the processing in the Onkyo, or the switch from the Fury to the Moome, but MAN, now I can see an image! A week ago when I set the 909 up, I was still using the old signal chain, and I remember being underwhelmed with the lack of black detail, the colors being a bit off, etc. All fixed now!

The Onkyo is working fine, it's the first time I've used a system with Audessey in it, and it shows a subwoofer problem. I'll look into that later today as well.

Things are coming along nicely though, but there's still lots to be done!



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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject:

That is a lot of sources. Did you get most of them for free or thereabouts?
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