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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject:

I have a stored input of 2560x1600 at 60Hz by the way... So not sure why 2048x1536 at 72Hz is that hard to believe.

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject:

Look here:


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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:57 am    Post subject:

Case

I already have this 2048x1536 at 72Hz input stored on the 909
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:58 am    Post subject:

Oh I do believe that but the noise was very low you did not hear it at all anymore. No wait the noise was so low you could here your girlfrien breath while she was asleep ten rooms across! Very Happy

See this thread.
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=36685.html

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:00 am    Post subject:

By the way that 17,4V you got from me. I run at 17.7V.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
By the way that 17,4V you got from me. I run at 17.7V.


FIGHT! Who'll post the highest 17V reading? Twisted Evil

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject:

Ok to get things in perspective. I find that the higher voltage is louder at the start but after some time they become the same. Setting it to low makes my horizontal kick in more often.

But ok the 17,4V is something to try to. I just don't believe that this very high resolution is very quiet as the fans in the drawer start to spin at 72Hz very loud.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
Ok to get things in perspective. I find that the higher voltage is louder at the start but after some time they become the same. Setting it to low makes my horizontal kick in more often.

But ok the 17,4V is something to try to. I just don't believe that this very high resolution is very quiet as the fans in the drawer start to spin at 72Hz very loud.

English is obviously not your primary language, so ill be brief.

I got nothing from you in regards to voltages. I set it myself today.

If you read what i wrote, you will CLEARLY see i said i set it to 2048x1536 at 72Hz with a full white screen to make the adjustment. Nothing there i saw you do, and nothing you did gave me the idea to do that.

I put it on that 115kHz rate with a full white screen to get maximum load on the power supply i was adjusting.

At no point do i ever state i am viewing material of any description at this resolution, i am mearly doing it to load up the power supply.

So i will say again, read what is written and understand it before you go ahead and post a reply.

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:52 pm    Post subject:

huggy wrote:
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I already have this 2048x1536 at 72Hz input stored on the 909

Yeah i know, they all do, the factory puts it there. Use it to adjust your 17v pot on the SMPS, but go into the colour balance page to get the full white pattern up.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
By the way that 17,4V you got from me. I run at 17.7V.

Not interested to be honest. You took that 17.7v reading under different conditions, which i thoughtid made quite clear above.

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject:

Case

The Barco tech bulletin states to set that pot at around 17.3 so your spot on Thumbs Up
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Francisco



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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject:

@huggy but that's on internal pattern of around 32kHz (that will be 31,5 as you only have a internal pattern to be around 32kHz)
contrast 50 and brightness 50. So if you take Casy values like internal pattern of 2048x1536 at 72Hz with a full white screen, you'll read different voltages when you set it to 32kHz C50 B50.

But I think to have it a little higher is not too bad actually as Casy and Redfox also experienced.
Soon I will give my 909 test chassis a try on UHD interlaced with HTPC and RGBHV

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:20 pm    Post subject:

Yeah it does say set it on 32kHz, but if i do, its done about 16.2v on a full white screen with 1920x1080 at 60Hz, there is banding and streaking and all kinds of garbage.

When i set it at 17.4v ( my hands arent steady enough over my head yet since being sick ) while it is showing a full white screen at 2048x1536 72Hz and fans roaring away, its set for the highest load it should see. Setting back to 32kHz and testing again shows about 18.1v with the standard test pattern.

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject:

wrong thread.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:29 am    Post subject:

Back to MY thread and MY topic. Smile

I bought 8 of these puppies... genuine JBL surrounds from a commercial theater that got upgraded. I bought 8 of these. 2 are damaged, the rest are fine. I'm actually amazed how CHEAP the speakers are in these. 8" woofer, stamped frame, although it says 'MADE IN USA' on the back, they look like $10 Parts Express cheapies. Still, there's a separate enclosure for the mids, and the dome tweets make me guess that these were made in the 90s. genuine JBl everything. Nice downwards slope to the cabinet, I'll mount them right up at the 8' mark.

Also, the dust cap popped right out with some duct tape!

$250 CDN for all 8. Now all my surrounds are matched! Whatcha think?



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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:45 am    Post subject:

Sweeeeeetttt!!!!!!! Amazing score Curt! Your HT is going to be amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing it progress.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:31 am    Post subject:

OK guys, question about surround speakers. I more or less always read that rear surrounds only process echo type sound, so you can pretty much use whatever speaker you want, nothing beefy. I assume that these JBLs realistically go down to 80Hz, maybe a bit less. On another forum, a member posted this:

It does matter, In True 5.1 all speakers should be full range and at least go down to 20hz as some sound tracks do go down that low even in the rear channels. Some receivers you can the speakers to Large + sub. this will send all low frequencies to all speakers plus to the sub. So the sub will get LFE and the other frequencies. then you set the cross over to what you want, so you can have the speakers crossed at say 40hz and the subs will get the LFE plus any thing up to 40hz that was also being sent to the other speakers. Some like this if they have capable speakers all around.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't keep up with the latest technology, which is why I sometimes post stupid questions here. So now I'm probably asking another stupid question: Have things changed since the early days of 5.1 surround, and is the above paragraph totally accurate, or can (as in literally every HT system I've seen) the surround speakers be smaller and not as critical as LCR?
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:42 am    Post subject:

Youd be wanting to go at least 7.1 Curt, you've got enough speakers for it.

You want them all the same in terms of tweeter at the very least, if it was ProLogic it wouldn't matter.

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
can (as in literally every HT system I've seen) the surround speakers be smaller and not as critical as LCR?


It is not size that matters, but SPL at the listening position should match the front and directivity of the speaker is more critical due to the shorte distance and bigger litening angle.

Your new surrounds are not designed to be listened to from near field and optimal positioning is hindered by the too big cabinet. I do agree they look sexy, a two way system with 6 inch woofer will probably sound better though.

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:50 pm    Post subject:

hansilili wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
can (as in literally every HT system I've seen) the surround speakers be smaller and not as critical as LCR?


It is not size that matters, but SPL at the listening position should match the front and directivity of the speaker is more critical due to the shorte distance and bigger litening angle.

Your new surrounds are not designed to be listened to from near field and optimal positioning is hindered by the too big cabinet. I do agree they look sexy, a two way system with 6 inch woofer will probably sound better though.

Cheers
hansilili


Gotcha. The sides are about 2.5 m away from the main seating position, the rears about 3.5m or so.

I am going to try 7.1, those get mounted today...if I don't like them, I'll pull them down and will sell them.
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