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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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The biggest thing on my own 9500LC with drifting convergence that I put up with for a year turned out to be a loose focus yoke as 'someone' had forgotten to tighten the brass wingnuts on the back. It was on the green tube, and as the set warmed up, the focus yoke shifted very slightly, causing misconvergence.
Also, make sure your memory is in the 'unlocked' mode. If it is in locked, then the Marquee will not save your convergence changes. 'Someone' that I also know had this problem.
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
...and if You're still experiencing noticeable drift after putting all of this good advice into practice, You could maybe live with the following workaround:
- Make a setup for optimum viewing after Power On and save that as a channel number (e.g. No. 1).
- Wait until the PJ is at operating temperature and drift has ceased and make a second setup. Save that as another channel (e.g. No. 2).
So whenever You power up the PJ You just have to select channel 1 and if during viewing the drift becomes really noticeable You just switch to channel 2.
This is how I did it with a Barco that I had before my Marquee and that drifted too (didn't want to fix this then).
More about channels and how to set them up can be found here: http://www.etechvideo.com/techarticle2.htm (lower half of the article).
Regards,
barclay66
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| barclay66 wrote: | Hi,
...and if You're still experiencing noticeable drift after putting all of this good advice into practice, You could maybe live with the following workaround:
- Make a setup for optimum viewing after Power On and save that as a channel number (e.g. No. 1).
- Wait until the PJ is at operating temperature and drift has ceased and make a second setup. Save that as another channel (e.g. No. 2).
So whenever You power up the PJ You just have to select channel 1 and if during viewing the drift becomes really noticeable You just switch to channel 2.
This is how I did it with a Barco that I had before my Marquee and that drifted too (didn't want to fix this then).
More about channels and how to set them up can be found here: http://www.etechvideo.com/techarticle2.htm (lower half of the article).
Regards,
barclay66 |
Hello
That's a good advance, I'll do that. Although, In a way, I'm already doing this, because I have a habit of using 3 channels and always copy a set whenever I go through the primary one. Just to be on the safe side and have 2 extra. But using one for cold and one for warm I never done before. That's a good advice and will do this regardless of the outcome.
And browsing through Frankenyoke-thread I found some other useful advance that I never tried before either, but will next time.
"With the yoke installed as well as the rest of the magnetics, which of course
means the CPC magnet pack (and if the pack doesn't have 2, 4, AND 6 pole rings,
get one that does have all three!), and then plug in ONLY the focus coil. Turn
the PJ on and do your magnetic alignments, BEFORE you plug in your astig
winding. Then start adjusting the stigmators."
One thing I know most people don't do, but I do, is this: Since I have a 2,35:1 screen, I shrink the image down to fit the screen and make a rough geometry first, and then start working on magnets and such. Centring on the tube face and all that will follow. Than laser to make geometry nice and straight. But in the Sony 1292 set up video that I have, they start out doing magnets before geometry, which I always felt to in the wrong order. I mean I can't see the upper and lower grids anyway so I shrink it down first. Best to say, that's how I recall it from the video.
What else, I will put back the single centring ring that I have, somehow that helps centring the image on the tube face as well. Also found that in the Frankenyoke-thread by a dude called Jarmo. (He and I are actually neighbours, as we live like 3 hours of ferry apart, and maybe 1,5 hours with car from the other side. I have gotten to know him a little.) I removed them because my hands gets so near the high voltage at the front of the focus coil. But finding a proper glue will solve this by glueing a piece of Mc Donalds straw over the twirling tab, it fits perfectly, but the glue that I have got don't work, so it hasn't happened yet.
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | The biggest thing on my own 9500LC with drifting convergence that I put up with for a year turned out to be a loose focus yoke as 'someone' had forgotten to tighten the brass wingnuts on the back. It was on the green tube, and as the set warmed up, the focus yoke shifted very slightly, causing misconvergence.
Also, make sure your memory is in the 'unlocked' mode. If it is in locked, then the Marquee will not save your convergence changes. 'Someone' that I also know had this problem.  |
Is his name Curt too?
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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I thought it over in mind, the steps that I do, and it occurred to me that when everything is almost done, but still in the ringing-zone, I use phase to shift the image out to the right side of the screen, and then bring it back in with shifting green geometry to the left, then red and blue are realigned with the remote also. Maybe I should swivel the green tube to the left at this point and not use the remote. Redo toe-in one more time instead of using the remote here also, just like Justin seems to describing, the second set-up at the very end, sort of. I will try it this way next time.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| thewolfman wrote: | | I thought it over in mind, the steps that I do, and it occurred to me that when everything is almost done, but still in the ringing-zone, I use phase to shift the image out to the right side of the screen, and then bring it back in with shifting green geometry to the left, then red and blue are realigned with the remote also. Maybe I should swivel the green tube to the left at this point and not use the remote. Redo toe-in one more time instead of using the remote here also, just like Justin seems to describing, the second set-up at the very end, sort of. I will try it this way next time. |
The green tube has no swivel as it is fixed the blue and red do though
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | I thought it over in mind, the steps that I do, and it occurred to me that when everything is almost done, but still in the ringing-zone, I use phase to shift the image out to the right side of the screen, and then bring it back in with shifting green geometry to the left, then red and blue are realigned with the remote also. Maybe I should swivel the green tube to the left at this point and not use the remote. Redo toe-in one more time instead of using the remote here also, just like Justin seems to describing, the second set-up at the very end, sort of. I will try it this way next time. |
The green tube has no swivel as it is fixed the blue and red do though |
I'm sorry, that is not true. I just recently align green within the pj with a laser to make it absolutely dead straight. It was off before. There are numerous things you can aim for to make green centralised within the pj itself. First is to aim a laser at the back end of the pj and shine it towards the screen center. If all is right, then the mid part on back of the pj, between the two upper plates, will then align it self on the cage of the neck board of green tube, which has 11 holes in it, and correctly done, the laser shines through the 5th one perfectly in the middle and on to the next mid part of the top plate, which has 4 bolts to lock down the plate, but, it also as an aiming-point in between number 2 and 3 - and there is you your aiming point, at which you aim your laser. Sorry to burst your bubble there a little, but green can indeed be swivelled. In fact, the whole marquee chassis is made up with all these measuring-points to make it straight, you just have to know where to look for them.
But I do appropriate input.
Thanks!
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Apart from lens flapping, i believe Big E is correct, green should be a fixed mount.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:42 am Post subject: |
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The wolf man case and I are right
Heck I have worked on a
Ecp 4100(been in it at least 50 times many times to track down issues)
Nec 10 pg(20 times as I tinkered with the set)
Marquee 8110+(6 times tops for adjustments due to moveing it while I replaced the belly and lvps fans)
Converted it to a 9500lc
Non and I repeat non of the mounting hardware on them allowed for any adjustment for the green
If your referring to lens flapping yes they do but its normally set and never messed with(who knows what kind of mess you could get into with that)
If you don't believe me and case then ask curt he will say the same thing
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="the big E"]The wolf man case and I are right
Heck I have worked on a
Ecp 4100(been in it at least 50 times many times to track down issues)
Nec 10 pg(20 times as I tinkered with the set)
Marquee 8110+(6 times tops for adjustments due to moveing it while I replaced the belly and lvps fans)
Converted it to a 9500lc
Non and I repeat non of the mounting hardware on them allowed for any adjustment for the green
If your referring to lens flapping yes they do but its normally set and never messed with(who knows what kind of mess you could get into with that)
If you don't believe me and case then ask curt he will say the same thing[/quote
I'm telling you, I gave green a little smack because I wanted to know what was off, with the pj being in line towards the screen or not. Like you both, I always assumed that green could never be shifted to either side, because of the 2 bolts at he front, assuming it would self-align when green is put back on, which I changed, months and months later I decided to go over the pj aliment towards the screen again, as it looked a little crooked, and found out that green neck board did not match up with the back end of it, so I loosed all tubes and green were realigned. When blue tube is being swapped in some 20 days from now, I'll shot some pictures showing how laser can tell you it can be off. Obviously the other 2 tubes will be off as well doing this.
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jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="thewolfman"] | the big E wrote: | The wolf man case and I are right
Heck I have worked on a
Ecp 4100(been in it at least 50 times many times to track down issues)
Nec 10 pg(20 times as I tinkered with the set)
Marquee 8110+(6 times tops for adjustments due to moveing it while I replaced the belly and lvps fans)
Converted it to a 9500lc
Non and I repeat non of the mounting hardware on them allowed for any adjustment for the green
If your referring to lens flapping yes they do but its normally set and never messed with(who knows what kind of mess you could get into with that)
If you don't believe me and case then ask curt he will say the same thing[/quote
I'm telling you, I gave green a little smack because I wanted to know what was off, with the pj being in line towards the screen or not. Like you both, I always assumed that green could never be shifted to either side, because of the 2 bolts at he front, assuming it would self-align when green is put back on, which I changed, months and months later I decided to go over the pj aliment towards the screen again, as it looked a little crooked, and found out that green neck board did not match up with the back end of it, so I loosed all tubes and green were realigned. When blue tube is being swapped in some 20 days from now, I'll shot some pictures showing how laser can tell you it can be off. Obviously the other 2 tubes will be off as well doing this. |
No you are wrong; green can be pivoted. Green needs to be centered in the chassis first and then the entire pj is pivoted so that it is square to the screen. Then you align red and blue. Just did this 2 weeks ago.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Post pics or its not true
I know both my Ecp and my nec green tube did NOT pivot as there was no room top or bottom in the mounting hardware(haven't really noticed on my marquees 9 inch tubes but the 8inch ones the green is fixed)
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: | Post pics or its not true
I know both my Ecp and my nec green tube did NOT pivot as there was no room top or bottom in the mounting hardware(haven't really noticed on my marquees 9 inch tubes but the 8inch ones the green is fixed) |
Thanks for backing me up on this one, Justin, and yes green can be moved with everything loose. With green moved, blue and red will be moved in an equal amount. Just look at the front of the pj, without the front cover on, and you'll see how there is room for movement to be made. Not much, but enough to draw your attention to make it right. I also have a swivel thingy that allows the whole pj to swing quite a bit and use that sometimes also.
I'll post pix, sure, there's nothing to hide, I'm just saying what happened.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have the two screws that hold the sides to the mounting hardware?(if no then I can see that as mine has one with a broke head yet the tubes don't move on they're own)
I do know what my projector looks inside
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I had a look at it, as my sides are off at the moment, but can't see what you are talking about.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | I had a look at it, as my sides are off at the moment, but can't see what you are talking about. |
Plastic outer sides or metal inner sides?
The metal ones is the ones with the screw locations
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | I had a look at it, as my sides are off at the moment, but can't see what you are talking about. |
Plastic outer sides or metal inner sides?
The metal ones is the ones with the screw locations |
Not sure what you are talking about, that would have any affect on moving green at all. Show me then.. I took a picture to show you. And just to rub it off, in anyone face, I took from the left side.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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That explains it if you remove the metal panels it will allow all three tubes to move
I had this issue with mine before I went to 9inch tubes(will still do it if you apply enough pressure to the top mounting hardware at the side)
I never removed the side panels when I set mine up either time hence your drifting issue(only removed the top panels)
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thewolfman
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 1311 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: | That explains it if you remove the metal panels it will allow all three tubes to move
I had this issue with mine before I went to 9inch tubes(will still do it if you apply enough pressure to the top mounting hardware at the side)
I never removed the side panels when I set mine up either time hence your drifting issue(only removed the top panels) |
Ok ,that settles it than. Cool, I learned something to day also. You are al right with me than? I'm not a lire?
Btw, I'm sorry if I come across sounding pompous, I get that way when I get lickred up.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 1928 Location: speedwell Tn.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | the big E wrote: | That explains it if you remove the metal panels it will allow all three tubes to move
I had this issue with mine before I went to 9inch tubes(will still do it if you apply enough pressure to the top mounting hardware at the side)
I never removed the side panels when I set mine up either time hence your drifting issue(only removed the top panels) |
Ok ,that settles it than. Cool, I learned something to day also. You are al right with me than? I'm not a lire?
Btw, I'm sorry if I come across sounding pompous, I get that way when I get lickred up. |
No worries we all make mistakes at times
I ran my set once without the panels and the drifting was maddening due to it heating up and shifting( never done it since)
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