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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Craig, i was sure you were using the Moome V3 is there any other 3D capable moome cards.?
From what it looks on mine its a 2012 print layout, has anything changed? or is it possible this one have been sold for 2 years, and no one notice anything.? |
The v3 boards I got from Moome that I have here now came about two months ago and I haven't tried them yet. Moome often changes small things without documentation. He told me that these changes were on my new boards compared to the first batch of v3 boards.
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| Quote: | Dear Craig:
I have new batch of IFB V3 card now.
You can order it if need.
I made some mods on this batch.
1. Raise +5V to +5.2V
2. Raise +3.3V to 3.4V for HDMI RX
3. Raise +1.2V to 1.25V for HDMI RX
4. Use solid state capacitor to let video opamp power supply at precise +5V -5V.
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The cross hatch pattern you are showing suggests to me an issue on the Moome card (though I can't be certain of course). It looks like an edge enhancement "feature" may be turned on on the HDMI chip (though I can't be certain of that either). I will look at the new v3 cards I have here and let you know how the cross hatch looks on my G90.
The new v3 cards I have here also say IFB_FHDC VER: 0.1 2012/06/30, but I think that is just the PCB design. Components on the PCB and the programming can be changed without altering the PCB at all.
I use the FULLHD V1 or V2 (I forget). The two are virtually identical except some minor changes and then the big change of fixing the bandwidth problem on the v2 cards. I always field upgraded the v1 cards to fix the bandwidth so I really don't care if it's v1 or v2.
In my initial testing between the v2 and v3 I really didn't see much performance difference between the two. I do however conceptually like the v1 and v2 better because it uses discrete oppamps instead of one IC for all three channels. That difference seems to be more academician than anything else because I don't see crosstalk on the v3 boards. The oppamp on the v3 is also higher bandwidth.
Also, since the v3 came out, I have used the v3 on all my client's setups without issue. I will look at these new ones to make sure.
craig |
Did you have a look on the new V3 cards yet.?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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The new moome card in the G90.
Green tube displaying the Croma multiburst.
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Nashou66
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | What does the luma multi burst look like?
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Ill post that one later, i think the problem is mostly peaking/ bandwidth related.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | What does the luma multi burst look like?
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Im not able to shoot a picture of the luma pattern on the green tube, its to bright for the camera, but what i see is a bit the same as on the SMPTE pattern, there is some bandwidth roleoff to the high resolution parts, and it fits very well to whats seen on the shot from the green tube displaying the croma multiburst.
Ill give it another try next week when i get another camera.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Craig, can you please post a picture of your G90 showing the croma multiburst on screen, and the green tube face of that pattern.
If possible both the 3D moome card, and the one before it.
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Dfried1
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: g90 and moome card |
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Hi Just found this thread - I have recently acquired a g90 and have it running pretty well - scan lines at 1080i off direct tv
I own a second gen moome card and would be very happy to help with this thread.
I am just going through it from top so a lot to digest but in meantime let me know if and how I can help.
The biggest think I notice with this g90 is its very sharp and focus very nicely from edge to edge.
I have seen some streaking off white on black , which surprised me .
I once owned a 1292 and I had great neck boards and it didn't streak as much as people complained.
I would have thought the 90 would have had none.
Let me know if you need me to jump in
David
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: g90 and moome card |
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| Dfried1 wrote: | Hi Just found this thread - I have recently acquired a g90 and have it running pretty well - scan lines at 1080i off direct tv
I own a second gen moome card and would be very happy to help with this thread.
I am just going through it from top so a lot to digest but in meantime let me know if and how I can help.
The biggest think I notice with this g90 is its very sharp and focus very nicely from edge to edge.
I have seen some streaking off white on black , which surprised me .
I once owned a 1292 and I had great neck boards and it didn't streak as much as people complained.
I would have thought the 90 would have had none.
Let me know if you need me to jump in
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Hey.
Can you run 1080P 60/ 72hz.?
Then it would be very helpfull if you can try post pictures of SMPTE pattern 1:1 and croma multiburst, to see your G90 bandwidth. 
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Dfried1
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I gave up my htpc a while ago and only have a mac laptop . My dvd player is a ps3 so I think I am stuck at 1080p 60? - You now tempt me to dive back into the world of 72hz - Refresh my memory - without a scaler the next path to 1080p 72 is HTPC and powerstrip, haven't used that in a long time?
So not sure my screen shots will be much help???
David
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Dfried1 wrote: | I gave up my htpc a while ago and only have a mac laptop . My dvd player is a ps3 so I think I am stuck at 1080p 60? - You now tempt me to dive back into the world of 72hz - Refresh my memory - without a scaler the next path to 1080p 72 is HTPC and powerstrip, haven't used that in a long time?
So not sure my screen shots will be much help???
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PS3 should do, I dont have any HTPC experience, i just think it must be hard to know whats what.
1080P 60hz SMPTE pattern, green tube and all tubes, and if you have the Spears & Munsil disc try shoot the croma multiburst.
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Dfried1
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I do have the S&M disk as well as the VDE will shoot some pics tonight
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Dfried1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:18 am Post subject: 1080p from Ps3 g90 at 30 and 68 on brightness and contrast |
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Here are some screen shots for my G90 via hdmi with moome card v2 playback from ps3
Brightness and Contrast 30 & 68
Chroma Multiburst With RGB and G only
And some Game of Thrones images
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these is the driect tv with the darblet
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, nice green tube shot of the croma multiburst.
That is a good indication about how bad the new Moome HDMI card is, compared to your V2.
Other than that it looks as ill expect, some peaking, some problems with the bandwidth running 1080P 60hz.
It looks like you need to work some on the focus, and see if you can get it sharper.
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David1
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I did see where some of the focus could get a bit tighter when I looked at the VE resolution chart.
What are you seeing with the peaking and Bandwith ?
Please help me get it better ?
Craig do you ever make it to MPLS?
Also I could not bring up a gamma menu - I got into the expert menu but all I was able to get was green gain when I pushed gain and bias. Can someone help ?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think yours look like it do a nice bandwidth performance from a G90, not sure how your moome card behave, but for sure your green tube shot of the multiburst, is the best i have seen from a CRT. I would like mine to look like that, but not possible with the input card i have at the moment.
In general it dont look like there is much interest in improving the G90, as most think its already perfect.
Craig promised to test the new moome card, and post some results, so untill then im not wasting more time with mine.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| David1 wrote: |
Craig do you ever make it to MPLS? |
What or where is MPLS? Minneapolis??
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Craig, can you please post a picture of your G90 showing the croma multiburst on screen, and the green tube face of that pattern.
If possible both the 3D moome card, and the one before it. |
What chroma burst are you using? Can you send me the pattern via email?
I don't think I have a chroma burst in any of my patter generators  Strange that I don't have one.
I saw where you found an issue with chroma bandwidth in the Radiance. Did Lumagen get that addressed in the last FW update?
Also, I am beyond busy right now so I am going to be slow to help. The next couple months are going to be interesting...
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I thought the bandwith looked vg - It looks like I might have some loss in the luma and thinking that might be levels ??
But if the full 1080p is there in the chroma I think i'm 90% there. At 60 hz at least - would love to see what 72hz looks like
Craig - The chroma and luma multi patterns came from the Spears and Munsil HD disk - except for the resolution one that came from DVE.
and Yes MPLS is Minneapolis ...
How does my gamma look to you guys can you tell from the DVE resolution chart?
Lastly any insights in the gamma menu question ??
Thanks guys - We are the last of a dieing bred - Give Me CRT or Or Give Me Eyestrain -
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