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jbmeyer13
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | I'll say this; there is far more to resolving than just bandwith as the peaking appears to be very critical. For example i can come really close to displaying a 1:1 pattern with matching H and V 1:1 boxes at 1080p/60 yet when i drop to 800p/72 it's not as uniform. That tells me this is not all about BW. Furthermore, in Nash's blend he doesnt display uniformity in 1:1 and he's only running 1152 x 800/72 which is a breeze for a marquee from a BW perspective. |
I agree, and found that also Barco doesn't resolve the 1:1 boxes equal even on very low resolutions. Until now I think only Marquee does this, but I'm not that technical to judge if maybe it will lack some other things to resolving BW.
@strids However it surprise me that you really enjoyed the picture quality when you tried the first movie on the G90 with the low (as you say) BW capabilities, and with no radiance color corrections  |
Ahh it has taken me some time to get here, find the best input card, a moddet BA board, feeding it with the lowest bandwidth possible.
It has helped quite a lot on the black level performance and some noise isues, but i dont see much bandwidth improvements.
For now ill say the image is about 70% of what i get from a standard Marquee, where the G90 is feedet 133Mhz, and the Marquee 155Mhz. So there is some work to do still if it have to get a spot in front of the screen.
It has some + and - one thing i realy like is that i dont need to worry about the banding, and blooming as on the Marquee.
Overall ill still prefer a standard Marquee, it just have so much more dept and low level information.
The modified Marquee is a hole different storry, it just all wild and bloddy when feedet a 200Mhz signal, with amasing colors details, contrast whatever defines the image... |
Hey Kurt,
Did you ever get one of those $25 HDCP strippers from Ebay? It would be interesting to see if that would make any difference in the results.
Where you able to get the same 1:1 results with your modded Marquee at 800p/72, 1080/60 and 1080p/72? When I run 1080p/60 the left box (H-res) is just a tad darker than the right box (v-res) but when I run 800p/72 I get the exact opposite results and in fact 800p/72 is less resolved.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | I'll say this; there is far more to resolving than just bandwith as the peaking appears to be very critical. For example i can come really close to displaying a 1:1 pattern with matching H and V 1:1 boxes at 1080p/60 yet when i drop to 800p/72 it's not as uniform. That tells me this is not all about BW. Furthermore, in Nash's blend he doesnt display uniformity in 1:1 and he's only running 1152 x 800/72 which is a breeze for a marquee from a BW perspective. |
I agree, and found that also Barco doesn't resolve the 1:1 boxes equal even on very low resolutions. Until now I think only Marquee does this, but I'm not that technical to judge if maybe it will lack some other things to resolving BW.
@strids However it surprise me that you really enjoyed the picture quality when you tried the first movie on the G90 with the low (as you say) BW capabilities, and with no radiance color corrections |
Ahh it has taken me some time to get here, find the best input card, a moddet BA board, feeding it with the lowest bandwidth possible.
It has helped quite a lot on the black level performance and some noise isues, but i dont see much bandwidth improvements.
For now ill say the image is about 70% of what i get from a standard Marquee, where the G90 is feedet 133Mhz, and the Marquee 155Mhz. So there is some work to do still if it have to get a spot in front of the screen.
It has some + and - one thing i realy like is that i dont need to worry about the banding, and blooming as on the Marquee.
Overall ill still prefer a standard Marquee, it just have so much more dept and low level information.
The modified Marquee is a hole different storry, it just all wild and bloddy when feedet a 200Mhz signal, with amasing colors details, contrast whatever defines the image... |
Hey Kurt,
Did you ever get one of those $25 HDCP strippers from Ebay? It would be interesting to see if that would make any difference in the results.
Where you able to get the same 1:1 results with your modded Marquee at 800p/72, 1080/60 and 1080p/72? When I run 1080p/60 the left box (H-res) is just a tad darker than the right box (v-res) but when I run 800p/72 I get the exact opposite results and in fact 800p/72 is less resolved. |
I just tested the VNB and VIM on my Marquee, and it wil eat whatever i trow at it, as long i use my MP 03VIM
I also think i found the 02VIM to do perfect 1080P 72hz. It will not hold level at all resolutions as the 03, it have a tiny bit of peaking.
Did you get the gamma out of your Moome card, and the filters changed.? Also if i remember right, the HDQ wont do it 100% perfect, its like there is some noise from it.
So the next step here is to push for something that will run over 200Mhz HDMI out.
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Nashou66
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | must be a setting in the G90 then. I never played with mine enough to get that far.
nashou |
Whats holding you back.?
Get moving.. 
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jbmeyer13
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | I'll say this; there is far more to resolving than just bandwith as the peaking appears to be very critical. For example i can come really close to displaying a 1:1 pattern with matching H and V 1:1 boxes at 1080p/60 yet when i drop to 800p/72 it's not as uniform. That tells me this is not all about BW. Furthermore, in Nash's blend he doesnt display uniformity in 1:1 and he's only running 1152 x 800/72 which is a breeze for a marquee from a BW perspective. |
I agree, and found that also Barco doesn't resolve the 1:1 boxes equal even on very low resolutions. Until now I think only Marquee does this, but I'm not that technical to judge if maybe it will lack some other things to resolving BW.
@strids However it surprise me that you really enjoyed the picture quality when you tried the first movie on the G90 with the low (as you say) BW capabilities, and with no radiance color corrections |
Ahh it has taken me some time to get here, find the best input card, a moddet BA board, feeding it with the lowest bandwidth possible.
It has helped quite a lot on the black level performance and some noise isues, but i dont see much bandwidth improvements.
For now ill say the image is about 70% of what i get from a standard Marquee, where the G90 is feedet 133Mhz, and the Marquee 155Mhz. So there is some work to do still if it have to get a spot in front of the screen.
It has some + and - one thing i realy like is that i dont need to worry about the banding, and blooming as on the Marquee.
Overall ill still prefer a standard Marquee, it just have so much more dept and low level information.
The modified Marquee is a hole different storry, it just all wild and bloddy when feedet a 200Mhz signal, with amasing colors details, contrast whatever defines the image... |
Hey Kurt,
Did you ever get one of those $25 HDCP strippers from Ebay? It would be interesting to see if that would make any difference in the results.
Where you able to get the same 1:1 results with your modded Marquee at 800p/72, 1080/60 and 1080p/72? When I run 1080p/60 the left box (H-res) is just a tad darker than the right box (v-res) but when I run 800p/72 I get the exact opposite results and in fact 800p/72 is less resolved. |
I just tested the VNB and VIM on my Marquee, and it wil eat whatever i trow at it, as long i use my MP 03VIM
I also think i found the 02VIM to do perfect 1080P 72hz. It will not hold level at all resolutions as the 03, it have a tiny bit of peaking.
Did you get the gamma out of your Moome card, and the filters changed.? Also if i remember right, the HDQ wont do it 100% perfect, its like there is some noise from it.
So the next step here is to push for something that will run over 200Mhz HDMI out. |
I'm still waiting for the Moome filter's from Mike. I forgot to ask you this but did you try just turning off the gamma on the moome card prior to removing those resistors? If so, did you find that removing them gave better results than simply turning the circuit off?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | jbmeyer13 wrote: | | I'll say this; there is far more to resolving than just bandwith as the peaking appears to be very critical. For example i can come really close to displaying a 1:1 pattern with matching H and V 1:1 boxes at 1080p/60 yet when i drop to 800p/72 it's not as uniform. That tells me this is not all about BW. Furthermore, in Nash's blend he doesnt display uniformity in 1:1 and he's only running 1152 x 800/72 which is a breeze for a marquee from a BW perspective. |
I agree, and found that also Barco doesn't resolve the 1:1 boxes equal even on very low resolutions. Until now I think only Marquee does this, but I'm not that technical to judge if maybe it will lack some other things to resolving BW.
@strids However it surprise me that you really enjoyed the picture quality when you tried the first movie on the G90 with the low (as you say) BW capabilities, and with no radiance color corrections |
Ahh it has taken me some time to get here, find the best input card, a moddet BA board, feeding it with the lowest bandwidth possible.
It has helped quite a lot on the black level performance and some noise isues, but i dont see much bandwidth improvements.
For now ill say the image is about 70% of what i get from a standard Marquee, where the G90 is feedet 133Mhz, and the Marquee 155Mhz. So there is some work to do still if it have to get a spot in front of the screen.
It has some + and - one thing i realy like is that i dont need to worry about the banding, and blooming as on the Marquee.
Overall ill still prefer a standard Marquee, it just have so much more dept and low level information.
The modified Marquee is a hole different storry, it just all wild and bloddy when feedet a 200Mhz signal, with amasing colors details, contrast whatever defines the image... |
Hey Kurt,
Did you ever get one of those $25 HDCP strippers from Ebay? It would be interesting to see if that would make any difference in the results.
Where you able to get the same 1:1 results with your modded Marquee at 800p/72, 1080/60 and 1080p/72? When I run 1080p/60 the left box (H-res) is just a tad darker than the right box (v-res) but when I run 800p/72 I get the exact opposite results and in fact 800p/72 is less resolved. |
I just tested the VNB and VIM on my Marquee, and it wil eat whatever i trow at it, as long i use my MP 03VIM
I also think i found the 02VIM to do perfect 1080P 72hz. It will not hold level at all resolutions as the 03, it have a tiny bit of peaking.
Did you get the gamma out of your Moome card, and the filters changed.? Also if i remember right, the HDQ wont do it 100% perfect, its like there is some noise from it.
So the next step here is to push for something that will run over 200Mhz HDMI out. |
I'm still waiting for the Moome filter's from Mike. I forgot to ask you this but did you try just turning off the gamma on the moome card prior to removing those resistors? If so, did you find that removing them gave better results than simply turning the circuit off? |
Thats some time back, but i remember to have the feeling like the image got cleaner, or had less noise. I never went back to document it.
Dont look like there is many who care about stuff like this.. So often i think its a wast of time sharing experience.
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Nashou66
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: |
Dont look like there is many who care about stuff like this.. So often i think its a wast of time sharing experience. |
Might be a good idea.
Nashou |
Yeah.. thats why i still do it.
To see if some one jumps up and prove me wrong. Cant be that everyone is to lazy to play along.
Not sure anyone in here got a CRT anymore.
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Not sure anyone in here got a CRT anymore. |
I think most are probably just enjoying watching movies instead of tinkering. Personally, there's a reason I haven't gotten around to taking screen shots, and it's because if I have even just an hour or two of free time, I'd simply rather spend it watching a film.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: |
Hey Kurt,
Did you ever get one of those $25 HDCP strippers from Ebay? It would be interesting to see if that would make any difference in the results.
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I just got my 2nd stripper, it works just fine. I just use it when i play with the old processors who have RGBHV out, and i have the HDQ. Calibre Vantage. DVDO VP50. DVDO VP30, and Crystalio 2 3800. who all works with the strippers.
None of the Processors can keep up with the Marquee Moome card, but its a nice tool to have when playing and locating limitations.
Using the stripper in the HDMI chain dont seem to do anything wrong, Craig tested the one i send to him, he confirmed this.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Practicing screen shots with another camera. Not to much luck yet.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Are you using a cuved screen ?
On the shot it looks like.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | Are you using a cuved screen ?
On the shot it looks like. |
No its just bad geometry.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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A curved will be an option for me in the future but i might consider using a digital with an anamorphic lens.
The other way would be HQF904 on my Cine9.
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I have had very little free time. I took some photos the other day for you with my iPhone, but they all turned out like garbage. I found this photo on my server today when I was looking for something else for a clinet. It is a G90 + Radiance + Moome IFB FULLHD version 1 running 1080p 72Hz.
As you can see, everything looks good. Many forum members have seen this in person including spanky, Curt, dock, Blain, Jeff Slife, and many others.
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Also, I have a box of Moome's newest card here. I will try and test them soon to see what I find. I am especially interested in the cross hatch pattern that you posted. That looks very wrong.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | Sorry, I have had very little free time. I took some photos the other day for you with my iPhone, but they all turned out like garbage. I found this photo on my server today when I was looking for something else for a clinet. It is a G90 + Radiance + Moome IFB FULLHD version 1 running 1080p 72Hz.
As you can see, everything looks good. Many forum members have seen this in person including spanky, Curt, dock, Blain, Jeff Slife, and many others.
craigr |
I have seen it and it does look excellent. What do you think Monty? 
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Craig.
That looks ok, ill guess thats with the MP modified Moome card, BA and neck boards in it right.?
Would be interesting to see what you get out of the new moome card.
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Craig.
That looks ok, ill guess thats with the MP modified Moome card, BA and neck boards in it right.?
Would be interesting to see what you get out of the new moome card. |
That photo is of a stock G90. I don't run Mike's mods in mine here.
The FULLHD version 1 card probably has modified filters on it, but Mike gave the info to Moome, and when Moome came out with v2 he was using the same filters.
I'll try and have a loot at the newest Moome boards soon.
craigr
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Craig, i was sure you were using the Moome V3 is there any other 3D capable moome cards.?
From what it looks on mine its a 2012 print layout, has anything changed? or is it possible this one have been sold for 2 years, and no one notice anything.?
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