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dvh99
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ok to be fair, there are some mm elements that sound really good but i never heard one that sounded fantastic.
mc elements need to be setup very precise to sound the way they are supposed to so i wonder if this simple step is taken in most setups.
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jask
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I agree Drags, the Acutex M 315 III/STR cart is really nice and rivals my Blue Point Special EVO HO MC.
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This is a problem... when you have great cartridges you suddenly realise some of your vinyl needs to be retired... and replaced 
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Nashou66
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| jask wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I agree Drags, the Acutex M 315 III/STR cart is really nice and rivals my Blue Point Special EVO HO MC.
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This is a problem... when you have great cartridges you suddenly realise some of your vinyl needs to be retired... and replaced |
I found some of the older releases sound better then the new re masters. Some companies f*ck them up sadly. 
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jask
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some of my older ones have scratches, beer, and other sticky stuff on them 
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Nashou66
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jask
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seriously!? that is awesome, I will try it out this weekend. time to go buy more glue...
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draganm
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | jask wrote: | | some of my older ones have scratches, beer, and other sticky stuff on them |
Cover them with Wood Glue. Put blue painters tape as "tabs" on the lead in groove area so you can peel the wood glue
off. it will remove all that nasty stuff, especially deep in the groove.
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that's pretty drastic, a decent record cleaning kit can be had for 100 bucks and will clean almost anything off. Save the glue for the really stubborn stuff that won't come out of the groove.
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stridsvognen
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| draganm wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | | jask wrote: | | some of my older ones have scratches, beer, and other sticky stuff on them |
Cover them with Wood Glue. Put blue painters tape as "tabs" on the lead in groove area so you can peel the wood glue
off. it will remove all that nasty stuff, especially deep in the groove.
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that's pretty drastic, a decent record cleaning kit can be had for 100 bucks and will clean almost anything off. Save the glue for the really stubborn stuff that won't come out of the groove. |
If someone is serious about vinyl and got the gear to track and reproduce the information in the groves, then do yourself the favor, and buy a good record cleaner, something like this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKKI-NOKKI-RCM-BLACK-MACCHINA-LAVADISCHI-GARANZIA-UFFICIALE-ITALIA-/181334928722?pt=IT_Home_Audio_Impianti_HI_FI&hash=item2a38676d52
My life would not be the same without it. 
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draganm
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paw
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You have any experience with these?  
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stridsvognen
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Im sure it will be ok if you use a 200$ pickup. They wont sound much different no matter how you clean the record, or leave glue in the grove.😉
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Jeremy112
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I used to have a Nitty gritty RCM, it was used when I got it (a lot) but let me tell you, the first record I cleaned with it sounded better than I thought vinyl could sound. It was actually then when I started getting into vinyl more heavily, since now a machine can make your records sound night and day.
Yes, the downfall of a RCM is they are very expensive. I sold my 20 year old used one 2 years ago for $100, a new nitty gritty of equivalence is about $600. The one I am looking at buying is about $1,700.
I don't think the price is really so crazy given what some vinyl collections, including mine, cost, which is far more than that $1,700 machine. So, if that machine keeps all my records in pristine condition for many years to come, it pays for itself easily. I swear by a good RCM any day if you can get a good deal or afford to buy a new one, they are well worth it.
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Nashou66
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Wood glue for the bad stuff. Other wise a simple record brush with a good record cleaner does the job.
But back tot he wood glue. I had a new record, 180grm that had lots of pops and clicks. I could not get it clean.
I went to my High end audio shop that has a VPI record cleaner. I have used them before and they charge a fair price to clean your records. Well after they said that it must be a bad pressing. I was pissed because it was the last I could get of that record.
So i forgot about it and just kept it and did not listen to it. Fast forward to about a year ago. I read about the wood glue method.
I said what the hell, I might as well give it a shot. It freaking worked !!! There was very small bits of black dust all in the glue.
I figured it must have been residual vinyl from the pressing. maybe it was one of the last records pressed with that plate, who knows but now the record is silent.
wood glue for the bad sh*t.
Nashou
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macgyver655
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So i forgot about it and just kept it and did not listen to it. Fast forward to about a year ago. I read about the wood glue method.
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Haha, hey Mr. winkel, that was around 4 years ago. There is a thread here somewhere on it. 
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draganm
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| paw wrote: | | You have any experience with these? |
not this one in particular, the one i've used is 2 manual brushes and a bottle of special fluid from a company called Disc Doctor (looks like they still sell it 10 years later: ) , you wash manually and then rinse with DI water. They all work the same way, the brushes are shaped to go into the groove, and the fluid is a mix of mild detergent and a surfactant to get the fluid down into the groove (otherwise it just sits on top from surface tension).
What your paying for with the $$ machines is automation. For 400 bucks it spins the record for you and the even more expensive ones it actually has a small vacuum and special nozzle to suck up the fluid and dirt after the wash. the $$ machines don't really make sense to me unless you just bought a huge collection from some die-hard collector that passed away and need ot clean 1500 records. Or just starting your collection and plan to bring 10 records home every week for the next 2 years. Of course, " sense" and this hobby have nothing in common, This cleaning machine cost more than my whole system
http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Double-Matrix-Professional-Record-Cleaner
typically, I buy used vinyl from yard sales or shops 2 to 3 at a time. Or new records usually 1 or 2 at a time. For these a manual cleaning is fine, and I will even wash a brand new record once to remove the mold-release residue. After that it's just a mater of keeping it clean, dry- brush it before and after play and keep in in a nice sleeve.
the nice thing about the spin clean is it's not messy and holds the record up-right, which keeps the label dry. With my system, I use towels and lay the record down flat, so have ot be careful with the label. Michael Fremmer, the universally recognized Vinyl expert. has recommended the spin clean, (and also endorsed my Disc Dcotor back in 1997 ) and I would have no trouble dropping the 80 bucks for the spin clean now. The weird thing is there's no rinse, but that's typical of all machines AFAIK.
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