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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | There is a perfect good reason that i use a CRT as my prefered projector, it fits my preferences. |
Before I further contribute to the complete hijacking of the OP's thread, I'll simply say that the above statement is about the only reasonable thing you've said here. Everyone likes what they like, and there's no reason to have to justify or defend that to others.
However, I do - and will always - take issue with anyone who ignorantly tries to extrapolate their singular personal experience/preference - or misrepresents others' statements - to represent the experiences of the population as a whole. Understanding the distinction between your experiences (with a known poorly-performing unit) and the performance of lamps, digital projectors, etc. in general is something you seem to continually fail to do.
Helpful example: "I keep ordering Gen1 lamps for my X7 - mine lose 50% output by 400 hours and fail by 700 hours."
Unhelpful example: "I own an XYZ digital and it barely keeps up with my CRT for light output. My bulbs have all failed around 700 hours, and that's typical for most digitals. Even though you own an ABC digital, you can expect the same thing from yours."
If you cannot grasp the difference between the two statements above, then you and I will continue to disagree on these subjects for the foreseeable future. |
I dont realy get the relevance to what i wrote and your ansver, can you please explain.?
Cant you quote the stuff i wrote that you like to respond to.?
Or just post your nonsens and leave me out of it.?
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HogPilot
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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I quoted the only cogent sentence that you've posted in this thread and said I agreed with that.
In layman's terms, the rest of my post was a general commentary on your contribution - or really, lack thereof - in threads like this one. Rather straightforward stuff, and others have made similar - if not far nicer/less scathing - remarks, although I see none of it has resonated with you.
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He's mad at us for making Hog a moderator. He took his ball and went home.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | I quoted the only cogent sentence that you've posted in this thread and said I agreed with that.
In layman's terms, the rest of my post was a general commentary on your contribution - or really, lack thereof - in threads like this one. Rather straightforward stuff. |
Why dont you give some specifik comentary of your experience with bulb life span on digital projectors.
I shared my experience, Kal shared his, the thread starter shared his. digitalayon shared some Epson experience, and so on.
Why dont you keep up that line and put in your experience instead of making up stories and post your usual crap.?
That would make the thread more interesting and usefull for future readers.
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HogPilot
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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TV/Projector: Vizio P702ui-B3, Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD & 111FD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | I quoted the only cogent sentence that you've posted in this thread and said I agreed with that.
In layman's terms, the rest of my post was a general commentary on your contribution - or really, lack thereof - in threads like this one. Rather straightforward stuff. |
Why dont you give some specifik comentary of your experience with bulb life span on digital projectors.
I shared my experience, Kal shared his, the thread starter shared his. digitalayon shared some Epson experience, and so on.
Why dont you keep up that line and put in your experience instead of making up stories and post your usual crap.?
That would make the thread more interesting and usefull for future readers. |
Ha, please - the guy with the agenda is suddenly interested in other's experiences and wants to foster a usefull [sic] discussion? The chances of that are about the same as you getting warranty work on your imported X7 from JVC Europe.
Thankfully, AVS already has a WEALTH of information on these issues, and there's no need for anyone here to re-invent the wheel. I personally find the digital projector section of this website to be most useful for those looking to convert from CRTs to (usually) a JVC, or for those looking for a budget digital to supplement their CRT use. There are reasonable, valuable perspectives offered here by current and former CRT users who have converted to LCoS (or own an extra LCD or DLP) like kal, Spanky, and ecrabb. Of course, I post here when I see posts like yours, riddled with opinion passed off as fact or based on completely fallacious/sweeping claims about all digitals. Such tripe can be corrected by just about anyone who has some useful knowledge about digital projectors (and the ability to comprehend logic and basic statistics). As I said before, I will continue to disagree with you as long as those types of posts are your mainstay.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | I quoted the only cogent sentence that you've posted in this thread and said I agreed with that.
In layman's terms, the rest of my post was a general commentary on your contribution - or really, lack thereof - in threads like this one. Rather straightforward stuff. |
Why dont you give some specifik comentary of your experience with bulb life span on digital projectors.
I shared my experience, Kal shared his, the thread starter shared his. digitalayon shared some Epson experience, and so on.
Why dont you keep up that line and put in your experience instead of making up stories and post your usual crap.?
That would make the thread more interesting and usefull for future readers. |
Ha, please - the guy with the agenda is suddenly interested in other's experiences and wants to foster a usefull [sic] discussion? The chances of that are about the same as you getting warranty work on your imported X7 from JVC Europe.
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Can you explain more detailed why i need a warranty.? And what relevance your guessing and speculating have to do with the topic.?
If you want to argue my experience with JVC support, please continue that in the thread thats ment for the purpose.
Do you have any usefull experience to share or are you just full of useless crap.?
I have not posted other than my experience and quoted someone else about the subject in this thread.. Cant see whats wrong with that, And you look like a chicken with no head running in circels.
Keep this thread about bulb, and feel free to post in any thread of mine if you have questions about other matters i have posted about.
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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No speculation required. Warranties are good for things like this:
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=31501.html
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=31486.html
I'd say it's the same lack of critical thinking skills that led you buy a projector without knowing where it was coming from (just to save a buck) that leads you to think that your personal experiences can be used to generalize about any digital projector.
Edit: By the way, you look like a total dullard when you claim to want to stick to the OP's OT, and then stomp your feet about a completely different lamp with known defects. Perhaps next you may suggest that I provide him tips with how to work the JVC's CMS to apply in calibrating his Epson. Let's be clear: you have zero useful anything to offer the OP. 
I look forward to the clown-show that is your continued bloviation.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see what relevans it has to my bulb experience.
Are you trying to say you know better whats happening in my house, and i have no right to post about my experiences and what i have seen and ben told from others.?
As i told you fel free to post questions in the threads that you have questions to or that you dont understand, but no need to do it in this thread.
Now lets hear some of your bulb experience.. And reading forum threads from morning to eavening dont count as experience.
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ecrabb
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TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | I'd say it's the same lack of critical thinking skills that led you buy a projector without knowing where it was coming from (just to save a buck) that leads you to think that your personal experiences can be used to generalize about any digital projector. |
Don't forget that he also continues to keep the projector even though he's written numerous posts detailing all the issues he has with his and how much he prefers the CRT. It would seem he never misses an opportunity to point out some shortcoming, or how much he prefers the CRT. To read his posts collectively, one can really only assume that he thinks the JVCs are complete.
The odd thing is that he continues to hold on to it, from what I can tell for no other reason than to bash them in the forum with the credibility of having one. When I asked why he didn't just sell it if it was so bad, he claims he continues to keep it because he wouldn't get anything for it if he sold it, but we know that's patently false because it's a very desirable projector, and used pricing reflects that fact.
How you can post about how you have so many issues with a projector, but then rack up enough hours on it to necessitate a lamp change is beyond me. Something isn't right with this one.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Now lets hear some of your bulb experience.. And reading forum threads from morning to eavening dont count as experience. |
OK. I'm approaching 700 hours on my RS45 and I'm still running with the aperture all the way closed, or perhaps one tick open. I haven't measured it lately to see where I am, but I had a couple of enthusiasts over a few months ago and we watched The Hobbit in 3D, and we didn't even need to kick the lamp into high mode; opening the aperture was more than adequate for our tastes.
Another first-hand experience: A buddy of mine has a Panny digital and after several years of using it as their main TV, they're on their on their fourth lamp, racking up well over 2500 hours on each. I'm sure light output gets low in the latter part of the lamp's life, but the idea that you have to throw away a lamp every 500 hours - even to retain good performance - isn't true.
Be careful about implying that only first-hand experiences counts for anything, because someone could feel the same about yours, which to everyone other than you is just "reading forum threads". As an owner, I follow the RS45 thread on AVS, and from my reading there, my experience, Kal's experience, and Hog's experience are all more typical, and yours is atypical. Your experiences are not typical from everything I've seen and read.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'd say it's the same lack of critical thinking skills that led you buy a projector without knowing where it was coming from (just to save a buck) that leads you to think that your personal experiences can be used to generalize about any digital projector. |
Don't forget that he also continues to keep the projector even though he's written numerous posts detailing all the issues he has with his and how much he prefers the CRT. It would seem he never misses an opportunity to point out some shortcoming, or how much he prefers the CRT. To read his posts collectively, one can really only assume that he thinks the JVCs are complete.
The odd thing is that he continues to hold on to it, from what I can tell for no other reason than to bash them in the forum with the credibility of having one. When I asked why he didn't just sell it if it was so bad, he claims he continues to keep it because he wouldn't get anything for it if he sold it, but we know that's patently false because it's a very desirable projector, and used pricing reflects that fact.
How you can post about how you have so many issues with a projector, but then rack up enough hours on it to necessitate a lamp change is beyond me. Something isn't right with this one.
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I was sure you had covered that before, but i dont mind to explain it to you again.
The hours on my JVC is mostly from before i got the CRT. And with the room temperature change and temp drift on the JVC made me turn it an at least 1 hour before use, sometimes 2 hours before if possible. and then 1½ to 4 hours of movie.
then i think you can calculate how many movies. pull around 100 hours out for experimenting and calibrating.
Yes there is a lot of isues, what i found out is that non of the isues i had was different from any other JVC i have seen, so the isues is normal, nothing that can get repaired or get better with another unit, that dont chang the fact that its not perfect.
I still have it yes.. I payed around 6000$ for it, and the dealer price in the local store was 9500$ at the time, so i calculated that there was space for a few extra bulbs and shipping if repair was needet at some time.
The sales price around here will maybe be 2000$ on a good day, and i prefer to keep it, loos all the 6000$ instead of loosing 4000$ and not having the chance to play with it if i wake up in the middel of the night wanting to test something.
I also have a BENQ DLP i dont use, a Vidikron Vision One, a Marquee 8500AC, 20 amps, dvd players lots of scalers/ VP.
A Technics SL1000 Different SME tonearms. around 6x 5000-8000$ VDH pickups. and it goes on.
I colect crap, it gives me the chance to compare my reference to what i used in the past, dig up something conect it in a new way discover stuff i never seen before and so on.
Where others sell the old projector before they get a new, and need to base comparison and testing on memory.
If you dont understand that.. Then what.. Its not your money.. I have a hard time understanding why you feel the need to keep bitching about what you dont understand.
Try write a book about what you dont understand, and try stop before you need a truck to transport it. 
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'd say it's the same lack of critical thinking skills that led you buy a projector without knowing where it was coming from (just to save a buck) that leads you to think that your personal experiences can be used to generalize about any digital projector. |
Don't forget that he also continues to keep the projector even though he's written numerous posts detailing all the issues he has with his and how much he prefers the CRT. It would seem he never misses an opportunity to point out some shortcoming, or how much he prefers the CRT. To read his posts collectively, one can really only assume that he thinks the JVCs are complete.
The odd thing is that he continues to hold on to it, from what I can tell for no other reason than to bash them in the forum with the credibility of having one. When I asked why he didn't just sell it if it was so bad, he claims he continues to keep it because he wouldn't get anything for it if he sold it, but we know that's patently false because it's a very desirable projector, and used pricing reflects that fact.
How you can post about how you have so many issues with a projector, but then rack up enough hours on it to necessitate a lamp change is beyond me. Something isn't right with this one.
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Well, clearly there's an agenda at work here - a rather ill-conceived and obvious agenda. Or maybe he's really just this dim. No pun intended.
Never mind that he never came close to answering the OP's question - the lamp in question is a completely different model than his - but he's still prattling on about being a valuable contributor.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'd say it's the same lack of critical thinking skills that led you buy a projector without knowing where it was coming from (just to save a buck) that leads you to think that your personal experiences can be used to generalize about any digital projector. |
Don't forget that he also continues to keep the projector even though he's written numerous posts detailing all the issues he has with his and how much he prefers the CRT. It would seem he never misses an opportunity to point out some shortcoming, or how much he prefers the CRT. To read his posts collectively, one can really only assume that he thinks the JVCs are complete.
The odd thing is that he continues to hold on to it, from what I can tell for no other reason than to bash them in the forum with the credibility of having one. When I asked why he didn't just sell it if it was so bad, he claims he continues to keep it because he wouldn't get anything for it if he sold it, but we know that's patently false because it's a very desirable projector, and used pricing reflects that fact.
How you can post about how you have so many issues with a projector, but then rack up enough hours on it to necessitate a lamp change is beyond me. Something isn't right with this one.
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Well, clearly there's an agenda at work here - a rather ill-conceived and obvious agenda. Or maybe he's really just this dim. No pun intended.
Never mind that he never came close to answering the OP's question - the lamp in question is a completely different model than his - but he's still prattling on about being a valuable contributor. |
And what did you contribute with.?
Do you feel you have more right to post than i have.?
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I contributed a great deal by correcting your nonsense.
You're free to post as you see fit. You're not free from being called out when you post incorrect or ignorant stuff.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | I contributed a great deal by correcting your nonsense.
You're free to post as you see fit. You're not free from being called out when you post incorrect or ignorant stuff. |
What incorrect stuff did i post.? quote me.. Dont make something up.. And dont cut out words or content in my posts to fit your agenda. Keep my words in the context they were put in.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: |
Never mind that he never came close to answering the OP's question - the lamp in question is a completely different model than his - but he's still prattling on about being a valuable contributor. |
So why dont you bitch about Kals post, or other non Epson relevant posts.?
What did i post that was not relevant to this ? And what happened when you enter the thread.?--->>>
PostLink Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:08 pm Post subject: Bulb exploded in my digital projector Reply with quote
....5 minutes ago inside my digital projector that i use in the living room DAMN !!!!
Was brand new on replacement and only had 700 hours on it Shocked
Any comments on this Mr. Green
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Now you're just being obtuse. There's no way even a semi-conscious human being could miss what I've repeated over and over.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | Now you're just being obtuse. There's no way even a semi-conscious human being could miss what I've repeated over and over. |
No one even reads your mumbo jumbo. Try quote something i wrote and point it out short and specifik , so everyone can keep up..
Or ask me if there is something you dont understand...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | digitalayon wrote: | | I change out OEM Epson bulbs monthly and they only last an average of 4-500 hours. |
What model of projector are you using? Your experience is certainly not normal for most home theater digital projectors. |
no I will admit they are more business end units.
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| digitalayon wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | digitalayon wrote: | | I change out OEM Epson bulbs monthly and they only last an average of 4-500 hours. |
What model of projector are you using? Your experience is certainly not normal for most home theater digital projectors. |
no I will admit they are more business end units. |
Like cheap business units?
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Spanky Ham
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Well I spoke with my best friend who took over my preorder RS45 from AVS. He guesses he has around 500 hours on his bulb with no issues. Like probably 95% of digital owners, he doesn't care to do any measurements and think the light output is more than adequate. As Crabb has mentioned, one of his favorite attributes is the almost total lack of noise out of the pj.
Oh before this pj, he had a Sanyo PLV70 with close to 2000 hours before the bulb went out.
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