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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT READ THE SMALL TEXT IN THIS POST IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE
Well, we watched it last night. I wasn't nearly as impressed as I hoped. Based on the descriptions, I was expecting something like Moon, Sunshine, or Oblivion. It wasn't bad, but I didn't like it as much as any of those other sci-fi films.
First, the good:
The music and sound editing were very good. The opening sequence and early part of the film were excellent in this regard. The only thing that ever bugged me was when they had Clooney playing his country song over the comm, then also laid the soundtrack music over the top simultaneously. Made me want to stab my ears to make it stop. I'm pretty sensitive, though. Otherwise, the audio was excellent. Nicely done.
The visual effects were absolutely gorgeous. Rich and colorful. Crazy, super-sharp. Most of the physics in the collisions, particle destruction… Excellent. Nothing at all negative to say. Beautifully done.
Now, the negative:
I felt like they "Hollywooded" it - totally unnecessarily. The one scene that really took me out of the story and ruined it for me was Clooney cutting himself loose because there was some magical gravitational force pulling on him, but somehow not pulling on anything else. Why do they have to do stuff like that? Why the contrived melodrama for something that is plenty dramatic on its own. It's a pivotal moment in the movie. I get the metaphor… But, just have their hands miss, and he floats away slowly. That would have been more excruciatingly dramatic than the tangled parachute cords and bravado.
Next, the actors. I think for stories like this, the producers really do themselves a disservice using big names like Clooney and Sandra Bullock. I like both those actors, but for stories like this, where I want full immersion and suspension of disbelief, I keep seeing George Clooney and Sandy Bullock - not their characters. Takes me out of the story.
Overall, not a bad film, but not great. I give it a B-minus, and only because of the beautiful effects. If it wouldn't have been for the effects, I would have given it a C.
Definitely worth watching, but not nearly as good as it could have been.
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I agree with most of your criticisms of this movie and had pretty much the same gripes. However, for me the negatives had much less impact on my enjoyment of the film. The level of excitement and adrenaline this movie brings to the table was really enjoyable and along with the sound and video candy... I'd give the movie a B+ or better.
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Ron W
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 860 Location: Mississauga
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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The extra 5 bucks($27.99) gets you the 3D disc in the package. Good effects and with the earth almost constantly in the background, good depth perception.
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Now, the negative:
I felt like they "Hollywooded" it - totally unnecessarily. The one scene that really took me out of the story and ruined it for me was Clooney cutting himself loose because there was some magical gravitational force pulling on him, but somehow not pulling on anything else. Why do they have to do stuff like that? Why the contrived melodrama for something that is plenty dramatic on its own. It's a pivotal moment in the movie. I get the metaphor… But, just have their hands miss, and he floats away slowly. That would have been more excruciatingly dramatic than the tangled parachute cords and bravado.
Next, the actors. I think for stories like this, the producers really do themselves a disservice using big names like Clooney and Sandra Bullock. I like both those actors, but for stories like this, where I want full immersion and suspension of disbelief, I keep seeing George Clooney and Sandy Bullock - not their characters. Takes me out of the story.
If it wouldn't have been for the effects, I would have given it a C.
Definitely worth watching, but not nearly as good as it could have been.
SC | so country music, known actors, and some gravity that didn't look right to you. you don't think that's nit-picking , just a little? Enough to knock a movie down to B-?
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nettwerkjohn
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 921 Location: Blenheim, Marlborough, New Zealand
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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i still want those 2 hours back.
i stand by my original assertation - it is a stinking turd.
sure, a glossy, polished, great looking and sounding, turd.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | so country music, known actors, and some gravity that didn't look right to you. you don't think that's nit-picking , just a little? Enough to knock a movie down to B-? |
No, that sound issue was minor. I knocked it down a grade for the major issues I mentioned:
- Two extremely well-known actors. Sorry, this story deserved some new up-and-comers without baggage. I think the casting was terrible. They did it to get butts in the seats and nothing more. And I really like these two actors, too.
- Sandra Bullock's performance. She was going, "aahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahhhh"… It sounded less like terror and more like an orgasm with a simultaneous charley horse or something. And seriously, barking like a dog? Come on! Don't give me the, "You never know what somebody is going to do faced with death line, either." She was BARKING. WTF? Sorry, full-on cheese!!!
- Sorry, it wasn't that "the gravity didn't look right". That was a massive technical physics FAIL for drama. That scene could have been completely believable and far more powerful if they'd just missed each other by a few inches. It was typical Hollywood overdone syndrome, and it's disappointing. Sorry, that was contrived, and it made no sense technically.
- I think it could have a little "quieter", more modern treatment, ala 2001, Moon, or Sunshine.
All that is why it gets a B in my opinion. My wife gave it a C, so I was more kind than she.
SC
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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Gravity just won the Oscar for Visual Effects. Beat Star Trek Into Darkness, Lone Ranger, The Hobbit, and Iron Man 3.
Haven't seen a couple of the others, but Gravity was certainly beautifully done with respect to visual effects.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Also won the Oscar for Sound Editing.
SC
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Best Cinematography.
Wow. Gravit is cleaning up!
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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Judas Priest, now they won Best Score!!!
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Gravity 3D is fricking awesome |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Gravity just won the Oscar for Visual Effects. Beat Star Trek Into Darkness, Lone Ranger, The Hobbit, and Iron Man 3.
Haven't seen a couple of the others, but Gravity was certainly beautifully done with respect to visual effects.
SC | well that's not a very high bar to jump over, the rest of those movies are pure shite.
| ecrabb wrote: | Also won the Oscar for Sound Editing.SC
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Judas Priest, now they won Best Score!!!SC | just want to point out the actors guild seems ot agree more with my liberal mind-set as opposed to your review .
| ecrabb wrote: | | Best Cinematography.Wow. Gravit is cleaning up!SC | yup, , I called it on November 23rd
| draganm wrote: | I'm thinking Oscar on this one, at least for best picture, or best cinematography if not best actress.
Might go catch Enders game tomorrow, read the book in high school and again about a year ago, weird coincidence but good timing. |
oh, and go see Enders game, it's another one I recommend based on my superb taste in movies
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Gravity 3D is fricking awesome |
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| draganm wrote: | just want to point out the actors guild seems ot agree more with my liberal mind-set as opposed to your review . |
I just want to point out that I never dinged the movie for sound, editing, or visual effects. Those things I said the movie did excellently were exactly the things it won. The things I dinged the movie for were choice of actor/actress, the acting, and for the treatment of the story. It didn't win Best Picture, Sandy didn't win Best Actress, Clooney wasn't nominated, and Gravity wasn't nominated at all for Best Screenplay — exactly the things I was most critical of. The only thing I'd quibble with is the Directing win.
It's clear the Academy seemed to agree more with me than you.
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draganm
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gravity 3D is fricking awesome |
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| ecrabb wrote: | It didn't win Best Picture, Sandy didn't win Best Actress, Clooney wasn't nominated, and Gravity wasn't nominated at all for Best Screenplay — exactly the things I was most critical of. The only thing I'd quibble with is the Directing win.
It's clear the Academy seemed to agree more with me than you.
SC | Bullock was still nominated, and that's a big deal.so obviously professional actors think she was well suited to the role, I think she did a great job. Alfonso Cuaron wrote and directed this movie, which IMO was unlike anything we've ever seen in this genre. That's what the academy was recognizing.
Anyway, doesn't matter. Unlike politics, there's nor right and wrong when it comes to what a person finds entertaining or engaging. I'm looking forward to what these guys do next.
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kal Forum Administrator
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SPOILERS AHEAD
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While I really enjoyed the movie, like Steve, that one break in the laws of physics in the most important scene of the movie kind of left me scratching my head too long too and pulled me out of the movie a bit.... Up until that point there were a lot of other things that they didn't get quite right but were close enough that I could put them aside as "ok - remember this is Hollywood - what they're doing works for the story". Other things they got "reasonably" right enough that I could suspend my disbelief a bit, but Clooney being pulled as if he was hanging on rope and the weight was too much just didn't make any sense at all.
There were a few others that kept popping in my head throughout (more minor ones that I was able to push aside) such as:
- Sandra mentioned having motion sickness (SAS) early on. She would not have been doing an EVA if there was any sign of this as barfing in our helmet is really dangerous (flashbacks to Rusty Schweickart of Apollo 9 fame - it almost killed the whole mission when he couldn't initially do the EVA).
- Clooney jetpacking around early on like some cowboy, coming really close to a lot of the equipment/ship/gold foil heat shielding. Not only do you not hot dog around like this as even a slight nudge or collision can do massive damage, but the jets off the thing can damage the foil.
- The space stations being so close together. In reality they're no where near each other, not just in distance & altitude, but in orbit (their trajectories are completely different). No different than how the planets circle the sun really - they're not fixed distances from each other - they're travelling is completely different arcs. The ISS is at 370km altitude and Hubble at 559km (for example). Sort of like if earth was the sun, then the various places they visited would be like the planets. You can't just push off from one and float to the next.
- Sandra knowing how to do any of the things she did with only 6 months of training (very short). The short training helps explain how she's not overly calm during the whole thing, and Clooney knowing nothing much about here re-affirms that she's some sort of payload specialist (an expert brought along who knows nothing about space really -just to do one specific task). But then she talks about training for landings and she's up there doing EVAs too which never would have happened. Works for the movie though.
It may sound like I'm down on the movie, but I wasn't at all. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Just as a bit of a space nut, some of the things bugged me since I think they do try to give the premise that it's a "realistic" space movie to some degree so I was more nit-picky in terms of realism. A movie like Armageddon actually bothers me much less because you *really* have to put your brain aside and believe anything as it's so far from realistic it's not even funny.
A great read here from former U.S. astronaut Scott Parazynski if you want to get nitpicky with stuff like this:
http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/astronaut-fact-checks-gravity.html
Steve mention being bothered by the soundtrack playing at the same time as the country music and that stuck out for me too as a really odd thing to do. It sounded messed up.
All in all, I look forward to watching it again!
Kal
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draganm
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| kal wrote: | ... Up until that point there were a lot of other things that they didn't get quite right but were close enough that I could put them aside as "ok - remember this is Hollywood - what they're doing works for the story".
Kal | Too many people who watch movies just can't do that, which is odd. I know when I turn on a movie, I'm there to be entertained. I don't expect anything to be scientifically accurate. I also watch a lot of documentary's and news reporting like Front line, Nova, Independent lens, etc. and then I do expect everything to be as factual as possible.
I think this issue is a huge problem for us as a society as well. TV has blurred the line between fact and fiction like books, magazines, and Radio was never able to do. People tend to accept, or are looking for everything presented to them, in a visual media as factual. That's actually backwards , as it's been proven that "eye witness testimony" is about the least reliable thing you can possibly have. Knowing when to think critically and being able to distinguish between
1) things are meant as pure entertainment
2) things that are entertainment masquerading as news
3) things that are truly attempting to teach you something
They're starting to teach civic engagement in schools after realizing what a disaster it is to have a 30% voter turn-out, but if you don't teach the above it's pointless. An active and ignorant electorate is just as bad as an apathetic one.
Gravity was never meant to be a scientifically accurate " space adventure" . It's about Sandra's will to live, her surrender to death, her struggle to find reasons to continue, and her re-birth on Earth. Her literal crawl out of the mud at the end is a powerful Metaphor. I think when people get stuck on little details like a rope they miss the premise. Probably very much a left brain/right brain type of thing.
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nettwerkjohn
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i still think it stinks.
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kal Forum Administrator
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draganm
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| nettwerkjohn wrote: | | i still think it stinks. | nothing wrong with that, plenty of shallower water to swim in out there | kal wrote: | I found a lot of parallels to Cast Away (another movie I liked). A survival / will to live / rediscovery of oneself movie.
Kal | HA, never occurred to me but yeah, same premise, great movie, and great actor.
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