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CIR Engineering
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Look here:
http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/premiere/
You get at least a "Disc Vault" which can hold the actual BD or DVD inside and that copies the data to its hard drive. When you run out of hard drive space or space for more physical discs you get another disc vault or add servers. Neither the serve nor disc vault actually plays discs, they just hold the physical discs and the data from the discs. You then get a player which can read the data off the servers and disc vaults.
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:38 am Post subject: |
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This part is funny...
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The Kaleidescape Premiere line was designed with your ultimate home theater in mind. With clean-sheet design of enterprise-grade components for simultaneous playback of Blu-ray quality movies throughout large homes and yachts
What do large homes and yachts have to do with anything ? I'll take the Dune thank you...
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | | What do large homes and yachts have to do with anything? |
Those are two of the biggest target markets for Kaleidescape.
| Tom.W wrote: | | I'll take the Dune thank you... |
You (and I) are not even remotely the target market for Kaleidescape.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | He clearly has really good taste, and IMHO his remote should be as personal as his chandeliers and decor. He wouldn't even have to spend much money to do it. I may be a bit biased in my opinion on this, though.  |
Agreed. I would like to see him with a better control solution. I usually stay far away from my client's control systems, but what's the best way for me to turn him onto iRule? You'd be the man for that.[/quote]
To me, it comes down to two things: Customizability and flexibility.
First, the remote control is the part of the system you interact with... It's the "face" of the system. Why put all that money and tender loving care into creating a room and system so incredibly special, and so über-custom-tailered, then controlling it all with one of the most commodity and pedestrian remote controls on the market? To me, it's a little like building a $250,000 custom hot-rod, and then putting a Ford Fusion steering wheel, mats, and console in it. How cool would it be to have a control page for the two-channel system that on an iPad that matches those speakers, or the video pages could look like the room. It's all about having a remote control that's as polished and custom-tailored as the rest of the system.
Next, the remote should be flexible. Can the URC control multiple systems? Intuitively, or is it a kluge? Can you put a home screen on it with two custom buttons that fit the room's visual theme that say "Turn on video system" and "Turn on audio system", then display the control pages to control only the sources that go with those systems?
A lot of the enthusiasts that get into iRule enjoy tweaking their remote as much as they enjoy tweaking the rest of the system. Some guys pay an installer to get the system up and running, and then the installer turns over the account to the customer to continue modifying. Still others just pay the integrator to set it for them, and with iRule, the installer can keep modifying and maintaining the system remotely.
| AVphile wrote: | | I would stick with URC if he's already into programming it. Nothing wrong with "simple" although I would never call URC simple (like Harmony). With those Spectral amps I would guess he is a long-time audiophile first, not a gadget guy. |
You don't have to be a gadget guy to want a very personal, custom-tailored remote that feels as "special" as the rest of your system. In fact, audiophiles often buy equipment not just for the sound, but for the beauty of the materials, the industrial design, and the tactile feel. A custom remote can extend the physical aesthetic in the system right into the user's hand.
I'm not suggesting it's for everybody - it isn't. Like everything worth doing, it takes a little time and patience. But, the result can be extremely satisfying. It's a little like CRT... Tremendously worth it to some, while not interesting at all to others.
Cheers,
SC
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | This part is funny...
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The Kaleidescape Premiere line was designed with your ultimate home theater in mind. With clean-sheet design of enterprise-grade components for simultaneous playback of Blu-ray quality movies throughout large homes and yachts
What do large homes and yachts have to do with anything ? I'll take the Dune thank you... |
Typically the Kaleidescape systems are integrated into a rack with a whole home system. The rack will have a couple Kaleidescape servers, several sat boxes, a matrixed audio / video distribution system, control system, amps... The Kaleidescape and other sources can then be controlled and viewed in any room in the house. You may also have Kaleidescape players in the rack or located in the same room as the display device.
The idea is that you insert all your BD and DVD discs into the Kaleidescape and then can play them from any room in the house without having to go down to the rack or insert any media.
craigr
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | The idea is that you insert all your BD and DVD discs into the Kaleidescape and then can play them from any room in the house without having to go down to the rack or insert any media. |
Exactly. Can you have very similar functionality (or in one way, even better functionality) with a bunch of Dune players and a server that you rolled yourself for a fraction of the cost? Yes, but that's like you saying you can build a house yourself for a fraction of the cost of paying a builder to do it. Like all DIY pursuits, add up all the hours you spent researching, buying, building, testing, working out bugs, etc. your DIY streaming solution, then slap a $100/hr cost in it, and the DIY solution doesn't seem so inexpensive anymore.
Kaleidescape isn't at all targeted at DIY guys like us.
SC
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Electric Crabb for the win!!! 
If the guy is already into messing with the remotes and the system by getting his hands dirty so to speak then why not upgrade to something a little better. For 1/100 the cost of the speakers, he could have a much better user experience.
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AVphile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: |
| AVphile wrote: | | I would stick with URC if he's already into programming it. Nothing wrong with "simple" although I would never call URC simple (like Harmony). With those Spectral amps I would guess he is a long-time audiophile first, not a gadget guy. |
You don't have to be a gadget guy to want a very personal, custom-tailored remote that feels as "special" as the rest of your system. In fact, audiophiles often buy equipment not just for the sound, but for the beauty of the materials, the industrial design, and the tactile feel. A custom remote can extend the physical aesthetic in the system right into the user's hand.
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What you describe he can get by moving up in the URC line. I would not consider an iPod with an app to be that. Maybe he will do that when the system is settled and he finds the time. People have limited bandwidth even if they have unlimited resources.
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AVphile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Whoever it is, I gave him "thumbs up"
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's him. I'll have to send him over to this thread I guess?
craigr
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AVphile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Quick, clean up the thread! 
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| AVphile wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: |
| AVphile wrote: | | I would stick with URC if he's already into programming it. Nothing wrong with "simple" although I would never call URC simple (like Harmony). With those Spectral amps I would guess he is a long-time audiophile first, not a gadget guy. |
You don't have to be a gadget guy to want a very personal, custom-tailored remote that feels as "special" as the rest of your system. In fact, audiophiles often buy equipment not just for the sound, but for the beauty of the materials, the industrial design, and the tactile feel. A custom remote can extend the physical aesthetic in the system right into the user's hand.
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What you describe he can get by moving up in the URC line. I would not consider an iPod with an app to be that. Maybe he will do that when the system is settled and he finds the time. People have limited bandwidth even if they have unlimited resources. |
No, he really can't. URC doesn't offer a product with a completely customizable UI. Some have a "customizable area", but there's no way to completely customize the remote. They products aren't even comparable in that way.
Second, who said anything about "an iPod with an app"? An iPad mini or Google Nexus 7 would make a better primary remote, with a phone as a secondary.
Finally, URC sells to and supports only professional installers, not end-users. So, even if you "know somebody", there's no support or assistance if you want to DIY. That may be fine for some, but I think most of us like to have some control over our systems. In that case, I don't see how URC is really a legitimate option.
Nobody was suggesting he drop everything and work on a remote control upgrade. Like everything on this forum, it's just a friendly discussion amongst enthusiasts.
Regards,
SC
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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So hard to resist using my mod powers to edit that image from your post, Spanky!
You're evil!
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | So hard to resist using my mod powers to edit that image from your post, Spanky!
You're evil!
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Nobody knows which one is you. Hint, Steve is tall. 
Now answer my questions!
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