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Diddern
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Nothing at all, do not understand why you bring them up at all.
I asked you some basic questions about the marquee 9500LC.
Here again.
This is basic knowledge on your marquee 9500lc with tubes and colors on a marquee with color filters.
Green color up to rec 709 is oversaturated
And red color is sub saturated. And and blue color have gamma problems , And need to be Defocused. Because if not defocused you have a big issue with the grayscale.
How Will this affect the Facetones on a marquee when primary colors it's not right from the start.
Then because your material is mastered in d65 rec709 HDTV.
This is also a issue with the Barco 909 and cine9 but the Barco 909 and cine9 have more Digital electronic and have Better gamma from fabric. But still not in the range of perfect REC 709 D65 hdtv standard.
And you can tell me what happens to the steps 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% and 100% on your marquee when this is not correct in the primary colors. What happens to face stones then? Do you use the eye? Have an external filter to correct this?
Does the mods do something to improve this?
Because Facetones does not get even close to correct at all when it is like this. And you and MP said as I recall that the Facetones are perfect and natural. After what reference your own? Or does your BW helps on this😉
But then I understand that you have something to correct this with!
A modd perhaps?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | Nothing at all, do not understand why you bring them up at all.
I asked you some basic questions about the marquee 9500LC.
Here again.
This is basic knowledge on your marquee 9500lc with tubes with colors with color filters.
Green color up to rec 709 is oversaturated
And red color is sub saturated. And and blue color have gamma problems , And need to be Defocused. Because if not defocused you have a big issue with the grayscale.
How Will this affect the Facetones on a marquee when primary colors it's not right from the start.
Then because your material is mastered in d65 rec709 HDTV.
This is also a issue with the Barco 909 and cine9 but the Barco 909 and cine9 have more Digital electronic and have Better gamma from fabric. But still not in the range of perfect REC 709 D65 hdtv standard.
And you can tell me what happens to the steps 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% and 100% on your marquee when this is not correct in the primary colors. What happens to face stones then? Do you use the eye? Have an external filter to correct this?
Does the mods do something to improve this?
Because Facetones does not get even close to correct at all when it is like this. And you and MP said as I recall that the Facetones are perfect and natural. After what reference your own? Or does your BW helps on this😉
But then I understand that you have something to correct this with!
A modd perhaps? |
What do this have to do with the new simulation grade tubes from Greg.?
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Andreas21
Joined: 02 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Diddern asked you about the very bad linearity in the colorspace (and other flaws) of a Marquee 9500LC, and according to a well known calibration and CRT exper it is impossible to make look good. Especially when showing natural fleshtones. How do you correct these major flaws? |
What do that have to do with the 2 green pictures.?, is that to show how bad green gamma is tracking.? |
It has nothing to do with the picures try to keep your mind off them and aswer the questions?
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Andreas21
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing at all, do not understand why you bring them up at all.
I asked you some basic questions about the marquee 9500LC.
Here again.
This is basic knowledge on your marquee 9500lc with tubes with colors with color filters.
Green color up to rec 709 is oversaturated
And red color is sub saturated. And and blue color have gamma problems , And need to be Defocused. Because if not defocused you have a big issue with the grayscale.
How Will this affect the Facetones on a marquee when primary colors it's not right from the start.
Then because your material is mastered in d65 rec709 HDTV.
This is also a issue with the Barco 909 and cine9 but the Barco 909 and cine9 have more Digital electronic and have Better gamma from fabric. But still not in the range of perfect REC 709 D65 hdtv standard.
And you can tell me what happens to the steps 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% and 100% on your marquee when this is not correct in the primary colors. What happens to face stones then? Do you use the eye? Have an external filter to correct this?
Does the mods do something to improve this?
Because Facetones does not get even close to correct at all when it is like this. And you and MP said as I recall that the Facetones are perfect and natural. After what reference your own? Or does your BW helps on this😉
But then I understand that you have something to correct this with!
A modd perhaps? |
What do this have to do with the new simulation grade tubes from Greg.? |
He is asking about your Marquee, forget Greg Eisemann.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Diddern asked you about the very bad linearity in the colorspace (and other flaws) of a Marquee 9500LC, and according to a well known calibration and CRT exper it is impossible to make look good. Especially when showing natural fleshtones. How do you correct these major flaws? |
What do that have to do with the 2 green pictures.?, is that to show how bad green gamma is tracking.? |
It has nothing to do with the picures try to keep your mind off them and aswer the questions? |
But i never tested the simulator grade tubes from Greg, so i have no idea how they perform..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing at all, do not understand why you bring them up at all.
I asked you some basic questions about the marquee 9500LC.
Here again.
This is basic knowledge on your marquee 9500lc with tubes with colors with color filters.
Green color up to rec 709 is oversaturated
And red color is sub saturated. And and blue color have gamma problems , And need to be Defocused. Because if not defocused you have a big issue with the grayscale.
How Will this affect the Facetones on a marquee when primary colors it's not right from the start.
Then because your material is mastered in d65 rec709 HDTV.
This is also a issue with the Barco 909 and cine9 but the Barco 909 and cine9 have more Digital electronic and have Better gamma from fabric. But still not in the range of perfect REC 709 D65 hdtv standard.
And you can tell me what happens to the steps 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% and 100% on your marquee when this is not correct in the primary colors. What happens to face stones then? Do you use the eye? Have an external filter to correct this?
Does the mods do something to improve this?
Because Facetones does not get even close to correct at all when it is like this. And you and MP said as I recall that the Facetones are perfect and natural. After what reference your own? Or does your BW helps on this😉
But then I understand that you have something to correct this with!
A modd perhaps? |
What do this have to do with the new simulation grade tubes from Greg.? |
He is asking about your Marquee, forget Greg Eisemann. |
Why talk about Marquee in this thread about simulator grade tubes.?
I never had these tubes in any Marquee
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing at all, do not understand why you bring them up at all.
I asked you some basic questions about the marquee 9500LC.
Here again.
This is basic knowledge on your marquee 9500lc with tubes with colors with color filters.
Green color up to rec 709 is oversaturated
And red color is sub saturated. And and blue color have gamma problems , And need to be Defocused. Because if not defocused you have a big issue with the grayscale.
How Will this affect the Facetones on a marquee when primary colors it's not right from the start.
Then because your material is mastered in d65 rec709 HDTV.
This is also a issue with the Barco 909 and cine9 but the Barco 909 and cine9 have more Digital electronic and have Better gamma from fabric. But still not in the range of perfect REC 709 D65 hdtv standard.
And you can tell me what happens to the steps 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% and 100% on your marquee when this is not correct in the primary colors. What happens to face stones then? Do you use the eye? Have an external filter to correct this?
Does the mods do something to improve this?
Because Facetones does not get even close to correct at all when it is like this. And you and MP said as I recall that the Facetones are perfect and natural. After what reference your own? Or does your BW helps on this😉
But then I understand that you have something to correct this with!
A modd perhaps? |
What do this have to do with the new simulation grade tubes from Greg.? |
He is asking about your Marquee, forget Greg Eisemann. |
Why talk about Marquee in this thread about simulator grade tubes.?
I never had these tubes in any Marquee |
This is now how you (and MP) answer questions when your Marqueeīs quality is questioned with legitimate questionas about commonly known issues about your Marquee. You just ignore them and try to talk about something else to try to change the topic.
Maybe you need to read the topic one more time.
Please answer them and forget about Greg Eisemann mods. This is questions is about your beloved Marquee that pisses on any other projectors be it digitals or other CRTīs.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand. |
That will never happen. And we are not willing to search here, we want you to tell us.
But as always you just ignore questions that have relevance, you have done this all the time in the other tread and you will keep on doing it here.
How do you correct all these flaws??
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand. |
That will never happen. And we are not willing to search here, we want you to tell us.
But as always you just ignore questions that have relevance, you have done this all the time in the other tread and you will keep on doing it here. |
Wonder why nobody feel like playing with you digital guys on a CRT forum.. 
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand. |
That will never happen. And we are not willing to search here, we want you to tell us.
But as always you just ignore questions that have relevance, you have done this all the time in the other tread and you will keep on doing it here. |
Wonder why nobody feel like playing with you digital guys on a CRT forum.. |
I just wonder why you will not tell us how you fix these major flaws on your beloved and according to you and MP close to perfect Marquee after a bandwith mod. The bandwith mod will do nothing with all the major flaws Diddern named earlier, but of corse you will not talk about it because we are just ignorant digital guys. We know this can not be corrected, but we just want to hear you say it. 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder why nobody feel like playing with you digital guys on a CRT forum..
More than only you that have been in this game stridsvognen.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand. |
That will never happen. And we are not willing to search here, we want you to tell us.
But as always you just ignore questions that have relevance, you have done this all the time in the other tread and you will keep on doing it here. |
Wonder why nobody feel like playing with you digital guys on a CRT forum.. |
I just wonder why you will not tell us how you fix these major flaws on your beloved and according to you and MP close to perfect Marquee after a bandwith mod. The bandwith mod will do nothing with all the major flaws Diddern named earlier, but of corse you will not talk about it because we are just ignorant digital guys. We know this can not be corrected, but we just want to hear you say it. |
Everybody know that you 2 dont have other interest than trashing around in here, and all the information your asking for is on this forum.. Go dig it up if you want to know more.
Anyone seriously interested will find out, or we will help them.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Nothing!!!
This thread is about New tubes, new mods.
On Barco or marquee or any crt.
I ask you some basic knowledge, simple question about marquee, maybe MP can answer. |
Ill be happy to talk about that to anyone who have a CRT projector.
I dont understand why you 2 guys waste your time on a crt forum when you dont have one, and never want one. |
I think most readers here own CRTīs so pretend you are talking to one of them. We know about all these issues we just want to know how you handle them to get the picture of your Marquee in the quality you guys claim. |
There is plenty of threads on this forum covering that, so im sure your welcome to surf around and read up on it.
If your interested to find out more ill suggest you go buy a Marquee, and discover it 1st hand. |
That will never happen. And we are not willing to search here, we want you to tell us.
But as always you just ignore questions that have relevance, you have done this all the time in the other tread and you will keep on doing it here. |
Wonder why nobody feel like playing with you digital guys on a CRT forum.. |
I just wonder why you will not tell us how you fix these major flaws on your beloved and according to you and MP close to perfect Marquee after a bandwith mod. The bandwith mod will do nothing with all the major flaws Diddern named earlier, but of corse you will not talk about it because we are just ignorant digital guys. We know this can not be corrected, but we just want to hear you say it. |
Everybody know that you 2 dont have other interest than trashing around in here, and all the information your asking for is on this forum.. Go dig it up if you want to know more.
Anyone seriously interested will find out, or we will help them. |
We are seriously interested but canīt find the answers, please help us! 
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Andreas21
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Your problem is that the flaws are so big they canīt be corrected and your Marquee can not show a picture even close to bt709.
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Diddern
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | Your problem is that the flaws are so big they canīt be corrected and your Marquee can not show a picture even close to bt709. |
And why do you care.? you dont have and never want a Marquee do you. Or any crt for that matter.
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