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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:56 am Post subject: |
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We want pics of the side by side contest 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | | We want pics of the side by side contest |
We see what happens, I do not want to make a 909 look bad at all, I like it my selves very much. But always say what I see and maybe to strait out hehe.
If the owner like to post pictures or write he can do that. And what a side by side test show Is most important to the owner.
And people are different some like digital images and some like Analog. The most important thing is to have a god picture that YOU like and feel that is the best for you. And with a 909 I can say by certain that you get that feeling.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | | We want pics of the side by side contest |
We see what happens, I do not want to make a 909 look bad at all, I like it my selves very much. But always say what I see and maybe to strait out hehe.
If the owner like to post pictures or write he can do that. And what a side by side test show Is most important to the owner.
And people are different some like digital images and some like Analog. The most important thing is to have a god picture that YOU like and feel that is the best for you. And with a 909 I can say by certain that you get that feeling.
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If you say this, you can't say were a 909 will be in the game comparing to a digital JVC X3. It's different for everyone. Like you say some like digital some like analog. I saw a documentary yesterday about Sound City, they used a mixer table made by Neve a analog fine peace of art, till digital came and all studio's used computers. Analog sound and video are different some like digital some like analog.
Personally I like analog and all the technique from CRT and don't need higher resolution above good 1080p
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | | We want pics of the side by side contest |
We see what happens, I do not want to make a 909 look bad at all, I like it my selves very much. But always say what I see and maybe to strait out hehe.
If the owner like to post pictures or write he can do that. And what a side by side test show Is most important to the owner.
And people are different some like digital images and some like Analog. The most important thing is to have a god picture that YOU like and feel that is the best for you. And with a 909 I can say by certain that you get that feeling.
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If you say this, you can't say were a 909 will be in the game comparing to a digital JVC X3. It's different for everyone. Like you say some like digital some like analog. I saw a documentary yesterday about Sound City, they used a mixer table made by Neve a analog fine peace of art, till digital came and all studio's used computers. Analog sound and video are different some like digital some like analog.
Personally I like analog and all the technique from CRT and don't need higher resolution above good 1080p |
Yes , some like digital and some like Analog. And still I have not compared a 909 vs other than a Sony vw95.But if you are just into blacklevel them JVC black kick ass in 2014.
And my opinion not a hard choice, some other will maybe say something else, that's life. And not difficult to see what gives the best picture when doing a side by side. And still 1080P is enough for me to, still.
And like I said, that discussion do not belong in this topic.
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gasser
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I will be interested to hear the results too, but I think it really comes down to what the individual enjoys. I now have my Barco 809 split pack tuned (took time to learn, but learn it I did, though not completely), and I have to say, it's better than AVX at Santikos Palladium with my Greg Eisemann HDMI input mods. In truth, I went straight for the mods without hooking up RGB. I have compared the Sony VW1000ES and both my projector and the Sony look terrific. Which is better, who really cares if the owner likes what they have.
So I think from my experience with an 808s chassis with HFQ900 lens, and Barco 9" setup, 19 lug tubes (split pack 809 comprises that), a Barco 909 can only be better.
Thanks Greg and Curt
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| gasser wrote: | I will be interested to hear the results too, but I think it really comes down to what the individual enjoys. I now have my Barco 809 split pack tuned (took time to learn, but learn it I did, though not completely), and I have to say, it's better than AVX at Santikos Palladium with my Greg Eisemann HDMI input mods. In truth, I went straight for the mods without hooking up RGB. I have compared the Sony VW1000ES and both my projector and the Sony look terrific. Which is better, who really cares if the owner likes what they have.
So I think from my experience with an 808s chassis with HFQ900 lens, and Barco 9" setup, 19 lug tubes (split pack 809 comprises that), a Barco 909 can only be better.
Thanks Greg and Curt |
Correct we like what we like and if something is better do not say that it is or will be.
That's a god start.
Like I saied if the owner want to post some pictures or write something I will make a post.
But like you saied it does not matter the outcome as long as you are happy with what you have.
And mods on a CRT makes it better, as long as it does not cost to much is my meaning of that. I have in many years enjoyed CRT images, but today I am very happy with my jvcX500 and the VW1000 and not going back.
One thing is fact. We all enjoy film, and that you can do on both digital and analog.
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geisemann
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:15 pm Post subject: Digital VS CRT |
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Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
www.eisemann-theater.com
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
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Yes Geisemann, we should go back to the old days, everything was better then. The new TEC is just crap.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
www.eisemann-theater.com |
Hey Greg.
Can you post some screen shots from the 1:1 area of the SMPTE test pattern, from a 909 with all your latest mods (190Mhz) and tubes.?
Green tube only is ok.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
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Hey Greg.
Can you post some screen shots from the 1:1 area of the SMPTE test pattern, from a 909 with all your latest mods (190Mhz) and tubes.?
Green tube only is ok. |
You do not watch just green? all colors.
Here pattern to use
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
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From amps form the 70s to CRT form looking forward to see what you can do with the 909.
I saw a perfect Cine9 some time ago, interesting to see how I feel when I see your new mods on a 909.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
www.eisemann-theater.com |
Hey Greg.
Can you post some screen shots from the 1:1 area of the SMPTE test pattern, from a 909 with all your latest mods (190Mhz) and tubes.?
Green tube only is ok. |
You do not watch just green? all colors.
Here pattern to use |
I know you never understood what we are looking for, so i dont expect you to understand why ill be happy with a green tube only .
Maybe you should just finish the testing you promised, never noticed any usefull before and after 1:1 screenshots from your 909 testing. Or was it a 808.. 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Digital VS CRT |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | geisemann wrote: | Hi All
I know this is off topic from CRT VS Digital etc...
I recently was looking into making improvements in modern Audio Amps along with CRT projectors so took a few apart in the lab this week.
I just purchased Yamaha Avantage A3030 for a customer and tested it for them. I ran the unit for some time but the sound quality was just not good.
I then pulled out some older amps I had laying around including a older Yamaha from the 1970's. Hooked to the same speakers and even used analog FM vs HD FM. They all seemed to sound better.
This is very sad state of affairs. All the modern digital switching, airplay etc has really mucked up the signal quality.
So before purchasing a new audio amp take a look at some older GEN ones as many are far better than what they are making today.
Greg
www.eisemann-theater.com |
Hey Greg.
Can you post some screen shots from the 1:1 area of the SMPTE test pattern, from a 909 with all your latest mods (190Mhz) and tubes.?
Green tube only is ok. |
You do not watch just green? all colors.
Here pattern to use |
I know you never understood what we are looking for, so i dont expect you to understand why ill be happy with a green tube only .
Maybe you should just finish the testing you promised, never noticed any usefull before and after 1:1 screenshots from your 909 testing. Or was it a 808.. |
I understand perfectly for your information, i am not interested to do this test sorry for that. Why? I have friends that love CRT and like to work with this. People have to find out themselves what they like, and what they want.
But i can let you know what I felt after seeing it alone.
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stridsvognen
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Great, feel free to explain what it is you understand.. 
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Diddern
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Great, feel free to explain what it is you understand.. |
You are incredible LOL
Hehe
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Diddern
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Here is the final conclusion from me after seeing mods done to CRT.
To mod an old CRT is worth it if you are a enthusiast, and if it not cost more than you can handle. Because it is money that you never get back is selling today.
The improvements are visible on noise in picture, and get some better visual image. But very little compared to a well adjusted original. Also best result from a 9"
There are many factors that does not get better, so it stops there.
This is a topic for mods, so free to step up and say what you mean and prove other things. Also after mod on Maquee 9500LC that I have not checked.
The Barco 909 has better gamma form the fabric, and have much better digital adjustments than any Marquee.
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mp20748
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| Diddern wrote: | Here is the final conclusion from me after seeing mods done to CRT.
To mod an old CRT is worth it if you are a enthusiast, and if it not cost more than you can handle. Because it is money that you never get back is selling today.
The improvements are visible on noise in picture, and get some better visual image. But very little compared to a well adjusted original. Also best result from a 9"
There are many factors that does not get better, so it stops there.
This is a topic for mods, so free to step up and say what you mean and prove other things. Also after mod on Maquee 9500LC that I have not checked.
The Barco 909 has better gamma form the fabric, and have much better digital adjustments than any Marquee. |
This is more appropriate and friendly.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Here is the final conclusion from me after seeing mods done to CRT.
To mod an old CRT is worth it if you are a enthusiast, and if it not cost more than you can handle. Because it is money that you never get back is selling today.
The improvements are visible on noise in picture, and get some better visual image. But very little compared to a well adjusted original. Also best result from a 9"
There are many factors that does not get better, so it stops there.
This is a topic for mods, so free to step up and say what you mean and prove other things. Also after mod on Maquee 9500LC that I have not checked.
The Barco 909 has better gamma form the fabric, and have much better digital adjustments than any Marquee. |
This is more appropriate and friendly. |
you are right here 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Stridsvognen do you have 2 marquees up and running?
Would be fun to see documented improvements.
This is from G Eisemann
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stridsvognen
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What do those 2 pictures prove, please explain that in details.
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