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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Analog's giant CRT projector avatar...

OK, so I saw Jeremy's new avatar... This:



I'd never seen it before, so I googled it and came upon this thread on a Netherlands site:
http://www.gloeidraad.nl/radioforum/index.php?id=115113

Google Translate to English:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gloeidraad.nl%2Fradioforum%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D115113&act=url

One of the posts links to this page, with a great YouTube video, where he spent a thousand hours getting it running:
http://www.earlytelevision.org/dalto_projection.html

Lots of cool info on this page:
http://www.myvintagetv.com/amphion_600.htm



One of the other posts links to this awesome PDF:
http://www.marcelstvmuseum.com/folders/Philips%20EL%205795%20large%20screen%20colour%20projector.pdf

It's a brochure from 1969 for a giant Philips projector. The interesting thing to me was that there was info on a big airline flight simulator. It used a moving camera set over a model on a motorized gantry, and then fed the video output to the big Philips projector. Holy sh*t! The lens/CRT assemblies are 470x940mm (or 18.5" x 37"). Those are bigger than beer kegs!

I remember my grandfather had a much smaller, but similar setup in his FBO in the late-70's. I remember a physical model map with grass, hills, trees, and houses, and a camera that "flew" around the map. I don't remember what the display looked like or how it worked, but I remember I was never allowed to touch it because you could literally "fly" the camera right into the model and break stuff. I think it was pretty obsolete by the late-70's, so I'm guessing it was from the 60's.

Maybe I missed it, but I hadn't seen any posts on these giant projectors, so I thought I'd post.

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject:

Wondered when somebody would notice Wink
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject:

Dang

That was an actual projector? Thought it was a photoshop gag at first..........
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject:

I like how the one asks , What is the Mean Time Between failures(MTBF) of this thing? lol

I picture Tim, Curt and Scott all working on it. That be something. lol Very Happy

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, I thought the pic was a mock up. I didn't realize that it is real.

Cool.

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Now imagine that stacked.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject:

I think those machines would give a lot of X-rays

Wouldn't like to sit on row under this PJ as shown on picture
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject:

Francisco wrote:
I think those machines would give a lot of X-rays

Wouldn't like to sit on row under this PJ as shown on picture

I was thinking the same thing Wink

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:48 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
Francisco wrote:
I think those machines would give a lot of X-rays

Wouldn't like to sit on row under this PJ as shown on picture

I was thinking the same thing Wink

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But the tubes are actually looking backwards in these projectors, though not sure how x-rays are reflected...

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject:

if you watch the video the guy spent 1000 hours fixing it with no lead shielding, he jokes about how he is still alive. I guess there was a lead barrier that went with the unit to protect the audience.

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject:

I read on one of those pages that the case was lined with light lead shielding... That was back then when the standards were much lower, so if they thought it needed lead shielding back then, then it's pretty safe to assume there was a pretty healthy dose of stray x-ray radiation emitted from a machine like that.

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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
I read on one of those pages that the case was lined with light lead shielding... That was back then when the standards were much lower, so if they thought it needed lead shielding back then, then it's pretty safe to assume there was a pretty healthy dose of stray x-ray radiation emitted from a machine like that.

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Did you see this blurb where the tech talks about wearing a lead apron while working on it?:

"Mike Dalton from Florida wrote:

I am writing some stories about my youth. I came upon Chuck Azzalina and the video clip about the color projector by accident. I had just been fired, get this, from a summer job at a post card rack factory because I did not play handball with the other workers. I went home and looked in the classified and saw an advertisement seeking an electronic tech (I was in college). I applied and was accepted. The company had a severe back log, which I reduced in short order. Some of the other techs told me, "Slow down."

I worked with the B&W chassis originally and helped stabilize some of the circuits. In any event at the time (1964), the only person who could fix the big machine was the chief engineer. I was being trained to service the machine and started by winding custom modified transformers for correction of distortions. I spent time learning to align the optics and the electronic circuits. It was an interesting experience but I left to return to college that fall.

In regard to the CRTs ... always wore the lead shield apron when working on the sets, even the B&W sets. I have to wonder whether my bout with cancer could be related. Tell Chuck that the first page of the manual must tell about shocks; one is supposed to discharge the tubes before handling using a resistor and wire probe.

I can tell you from my experience, that while the convergence operations were involved, everything worked to make a decent picture. The difficulty was that several controls interacted and required several passed to get right.

The set was reliable in operation as far as I know. It did not break down every few minutes as they joked about in the video. It might be that with age the set became unreliable, especially if parts such as carbon composition resistors were stored in an area of high humidity. Most of the projectors were used in casinos and other location where there was ample air conditioning."


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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject:

Holy sh*t I have always wondered if it were true(had been told wise tales about such a projector just never knew such a beast was real )

Now I know

Talk about a killer projector though (in more ways then one) I find the x ray and cancer link a bit hard to believe but then again it wasn't "normal" sized tubes that he worked around but that would cream any thing put up to compare

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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject:

I have my pj bared and naked with only the lead shields on at the moment. My head is literally like a feet and a half in between. Even so, I'm not bothered by the noise. I sometimes do, but only when thinking about it. Well, the seller told me it was sound-modded, but that has got to be a lie, because it's in fact not modded. Unless self-made from the inside. The fans looks like stock from the outside, and yet not bothered by the sound at all.

Now, the weird thing is that I'm seeing green goblins on the wall..
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject:

thewolfman wrote:
I have my pj bared and naked with only the lead shields on at the moment. My head is literally like a feet and a half in between. Even so, I'm not bothered by the noise. I sometimes do, but only when thinking about it. Well, the seller told me it was sound-modded, but that has got to be a lie, because it's in fact not modded. Unless self-made from the inside. The fans looks like stock from the outside, and yet not bothered by the sound at all.

Now, the weird thing is that I'm seeing green goblins on the wall..


Stop watching Spiderman Wink

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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject:

I should build me a west and just be done with it. I'll start sewing tomorrow. Thanks! Smile
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject:

thewolfman wrote:
I have my pj bared and naked with only the lead shields on at the moment. My head is literally like a feet and a half in between. Even so, I'm not bothered by the noise. I sometimes do, but only when thinking about it. Well, the seller told me it was sound-modded, but that has got to be a lie, because it's in fact not modded. Unless self-made from the inside. The fans looks like stock from the outside, and yet not bothered by the sound at all.

Now, the weird thing is that I'm seeing green goblins on the wall..


What projector you running?

Also you watch to much Spider-Man

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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:38 pm    Post subject:

It's a bare 9500LC naked.. I haven't done the magnets fully so it's been that way for some time. Figured the shield would stray away from the goblins. But, nahh.. they all around me. Haunting me.
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:42 pm    Post subject:

Alright. Time for a nap - or a movie. Thanks.
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:04 pm    Post subject:

thewolfman wrote:

Now, the weird thing is that I'm seeing green goblins on the wall..

Don't worry, that's normal.

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