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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Wow, thanks for the heads-up on Zenni!!! My glasses are now going on 15 years old; they're getting pretty scratched up, and my prescription has changed a few clicks in both eyes, so I really wasn't relishing the thought of spending $250 on a new pair. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the Zenni site and saw glasses for $40. Holy sheep sh*t!

From looking at the reviews, the quality sounds very good… Most of the bitching seems like it's mostly to do with it taking a couple of weeks for people to get orders. Judas priest, what do you expect?

It does look like they've raised their prices significantly, as I saw YouTube reviews where people were talking about paying $10-15/pair back in 2009 and 2010, which is completely insane.

I've always wondered why glasses had to be so expensive. I knew their had to be huge margins with prices like that.

At <$50, I can justify being a pair of glasses every couple of years instead of hanging on to the same damn pair for 15 years with an out-of-date prescription.

I love the internet!!! Twisted Evil

Thanks, Craig!!!

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Zenni is really good and I have ordered lots of glasses from them over the years. I usually order sun glasses and glasses that I can wear while working in the metal or wood shop or while doing other rough activities. One pair of classic aviator sun glasses I got were like $9 plus shipping with my last prescription. There are other internet glasses places, but I just always go back to Zenni because I know them.

The real downside to online glasses is that you can't see what they look like on you until you get them. I have ordered some pair that have wound up looking ridiculous on me and my wife banned them (but I wouldn't have worn them in public anyway). On my face one of the most important things for the glasses to look good is for them to not be too wide and to be kind of narrow side to side.

Another frustrating thing as others have mentioned is that you need to know your PD (pupil distance) and that is not part of your prescription. I see a private ophthalmologist who doesn't make glasses so he's not biased to keep me from knowing my PD, but the PD is not measured during a normal eye exam. I am sure he could have measured it, but when I asked him to tell me my PD he just phoned the place that I get my high end glasses from and made them give him my PD and he gave it to me. Once you find out your PD it doesn't change so it will be good with future prescriptions.

I usually don't bother, but this time when I get the new pair from Zenni I am going to take it to my ophthalmologist to have him double check that they are perfect. I always do this on the high end glasses, but never bothered with the Zenni one before because they were always for less critical viewing. With the new info I have now I want to see what perfect lenses with CR39 look like so I want to be sure of the Zenni quality.

Anyway, good luck with them Smile

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
I looked at Zenni and a couple of others. I was going to try out eyebuydirect, as they were one of about five places that received high marks. They have a pair of glasses that I liked for around $30 tricked out.
http://www.eyebuydirect.com/men-eyeglasses.html

Yeah, that is why I was kind of telling the guy I went to that I was less concerned about the exam price. I know they are trying to make it up with their glass prices. My exam was still expensive, but it was comprehensive. The doctor I went to mentioned getting an exam every year or so. Does it need to be that frequent?

Good link. eyebuydirect looks cool and I like their sorting feature. I may try them next time.

I go to the ophthalmologist whenever I see a change and I am hyper critical of my eyesight. It's usually between 9-18 months for me, but sometimes longer. I don't think I have ever gone more than 30 months without a change, but I see 1/8 diopter changes and 5 degrees in astig easily. Once my sight drops below 20/10 I know something needs adjusting. My doctor finds it interesting that I start complaining when I am still seeing 20/20.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Wow, thanks for the heads-up on Zenni!!! My glasses are now going on 15 years old; they're getting pretty scratched up, and my prescription has changed a few clicks in both eyes, so I really wasn't relishing the thought of spending $250 on a new pair. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the Zenni site and saw glasses for $40. Holy sheep sh*t!

From looking at the reviews, the quality sounds very good… Most of the bitching seems like it's mostly to do with it taking a couple of weeks for people to get orders. Judas priest, what do you expect?

It does look like they've raised their prices significantly, as I saw YouTube reviews where people were talking about paying $10-15/pair back in 2009 and 2010, which is completely insane.

I've always wondered why glasses had to be so expensive. I knew their had to be huge margins with prices like that.

At <$50, I can justify being a pair of glasses every couple of years instead of hanging on to the same damn pair for 15 years with an out-of-date prescription.

I love the internet!!! Twisted Evil

Thanks, Craig!!!

SC

Funny, I just looked at my post and edited it. The glasses I ordered were $30 shipped, not $40. So even cheaper.

I also just checked out http://www.eyebuydirect.com/ as well and they have really cool sorting features and also they offer the AR coating on the 1.5 index lenses where Zenni doesn't. So I may very well try them next. I went through their system and have a pair setup that I like for around $40 or so too.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject:

I'm guessing the "double vision" is due to internal reflections. (Or it could be because your lens doesn't perfectly correct for your particular visual aberration. I haven't had a razor-sharp prescription in decades, but I'm certain that's correction error, not reflections.)

If it's internal reflections, then hopefully the CR39 will help!
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject:

So I've had the new glasses from Zenni with the CR39 lenses for a couple weeks. All I can say is this is totally awesome Smile There is really no CA visible on my projector anymore. I can look all over my screen and there are not convergence errors from CA anymore. It is fantastic.

The only time I have actually seen CA on these glasses was when I was looking through a window on a sunny day while at the gym. The window had a black frame and provided a lot of contrast between the outdoors and the frame. At the edge of my lenses with my head tilted back I could see CA, but on my old glasses with the high index it would have been much more obvious.

I am so happy Smile

The only down side is that I don't have the anti reflective coatings on this pair. IMHO it needs the coating and I am seeing reflections all time time from these. But at about $35 a pair I am simply going to order more glasses and get the AR coatings on the next ones.

This is the best thread ever!

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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject:

Brilliant Wink
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:47 pm    Post subject:

Outstanding, Craig! Thanks for the update! Strangely, my old $200 pair of Perry Ellis frames that I've been wearing for probably 10 years now JUST broke. Today. The spring mechanism in the hinge came apart, so the earpiece won't attach anymore. Literally just a couple of hours ago.

So, I'll suck it up and spend the $100 on a checkup and fresh prescription, but now I can save like $200 on new glasses. So, yes - this thread is pretty awesome!!! Wink

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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:07 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
So I've had the new glasses from Zenni with the CR39 lenses for a couple weeks. All I can say is this is totally awesome Smile There is really no CA visible on my projector anymore. I can look all over my screen and there are not convergence errors from CA anymore. It is fantastic.
I am so happy Smile

AWESOME!!! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

I'm so glad it worked out so well for you, Craig!! Even for me it was a huge improvement. For you, where you spend hours every week staring at convergence patterns, I'll bet it's like a new lease on life.

If you're like me, you'll also have less eyestrain. The high-index lenses have CA, but that doesn't just mean color fringes. It means your eyes focus differently on different colors, so they can't focus on different colors at the same time. But they try, and fail. So even in normal daylight vision, I had blurred vision and eyestrain if I looked anywhere but through the optical center. CR39 almost totally fixed that too.

How about your "double image" problems? Better with CR39?

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The only down side is that I don't have the anti reflective coatings on this pair. IMHO it needs the coating and I am seeing reflections all time time from these.

Huh. I never got AR coating on my CR39 lenses, and I have no problem. Occasionally I see something out of the corner of my eye -- a reflection of something behind me, reflecting off the back surface of the lens -- but 99% of the time I just don't notice it. It's not worth the hassle of AR for me.

Is that what you're seeing? Maybe you're just more sensitive to it than I am. Like I'm hypersensitive to rainbows from DLPs. Very Happy
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:28 pm    Post subject:

I cant stand the AR coating myself, and DLP rainbows are terrible Laughing
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:42 am    Post subject:

CRAIG CRAIG!!!!!

Now that I have your attention. Smile I just received my order from eyebuydirect. I bought three pairs of test glasses. One pair of sunglasses, one pair of regular glasses and one pair of reading/computer glasses. All glasses have the anti-glare coating. The regular and sunglasses have the UV coating. All are single vision with the reading glasses have +1.00 addition. I think it was $55 for all three.

I ordered them three weeks ago last Sunday. They arrived today in boxes similar to bank check boxes. Each has a plastic case with cleaning cloth. The first thing I noticed is that the frames seem more sturdy than the reading glass frames that I bought from my doctor. After trying them on, I was impressed. I don't have a frame of reference, but they seem like they work really well. I am wearing the r/c glasses right now and the computer screen is much clearer with them than without.

I have a question and it might have already been answered in this thread. Is the UV coating necessary? I didn't get it with the r/c glasses, but did with my general glasses. The r/c glasses make the computer screen crisp and clear. The general glasses are only slightly better than no glasses. Since I will probably be wearing the sunglasses outside when it is sunny and not the general glasses, it seems like the UV coating wouldn't offer any benefits. Also, I think I read somewhere that lenses already filter out a lot of UV without the coating.
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject:

Thats effing cheap mate, but im not sure what the UV coating is, i dont know if ive ever seen it. The place i get my glasses from is giving free polarising at the moment, but if mine had that i wouldnt be able to use the 3D shutter glasses with them as those are also polarised.
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
I have a question and it might have already been answered in this thread. Is the UV coating necessary? I didn't get it with the r/c glasses, but did with my general glasses. The r/c glasses make the computer screen crisp and clear. The general glasses are only slightly better than no glasses. Since I will probably be wearing the sunglasses outside when it is sunny and not the general glasses, it seems like the UV coating wouldn't offer any benefits. Also, I think I read somewhere that lenses already filter out a lot of UV without the coating.

It depends on the material. Glass (which nobody uses for glasses any more, we should call them "plastics" instead Very Happy) doesn't filter UV very well at all, and you need UV coating for that.

CR39 has "some" UV protection -- better than glass, I think -- but not 100%. I would definitely use UV coating on any CR39 lenses that you will wear outdoors. Even your reading/computer glasses wouldn't hurt -- you might be reading a book at the beach sometime. Smile UV coating is especially crucial for sunglasses, because your pupil opens wide behind the dark lens, and lets in lots more UV to damage your retina.

Polycarbonate and most? all? other high-index plastics have inherent 100% UV blocking. UV coating is not necessary with those plastics.

See e.g. http://www.replacementlensexpress.com/about-lens-materials.html or http://www.crownvisioncenter.com/eyewear/lenses/plastic-cr39.aspx (and other lens-material pages on that site).
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:05 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the info, Gary.

The Trivex material looks interesting. Eyebuy doesn't have it, but zenni does for $30 extra.

As for the UV coating, I am still not sure I want to use it on anything but sunglasses.
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:48 am    Post subject:

Just remember that any high-index plastic (like Trivex) is going to have the chromatic-aberration problems that Craig encountered. Particularly if you have a strong prescription, you might not like it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:12 pm    Post subject:

According to your link, Trivex has the same index as glass at 1.53. I don't have a strong prescription, so I can't imagine it would have much of an effect.
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject:

If the Trivex has the same index of refraction as glass, the chromatic aberration should also be similar.

The only way to completely eliminate CA is to use multiple lenses like in a good camera lens. Most people wouldn't be happy walking around with achromat doublets stuck on their glasses frames. Wink

CA, uncorrected peripheral, and distortion of the main reasons I wear primarily contacts and only use my glasses at bed time and the occasional lazy morning.

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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
According to your link, Trivex has the same index as glass at 1.53. I don't have a strong prescription, so I can't imagine it would have much of an effect.

Hm, that's lower than I thought. CR39 has an index of 1.498 which is lower, but not hugely so. A bigger difference is the Abbe number, which is a measure of the chromatic aberration in a lens material. CR39 has a higher (better) Abbe value (58) than any other plastic, nearly identical to crown (optical) glass. Trivex has an Abbe number of 43, high index plastic is in the 32-36 range, polycarbonate is 30. See e.g. http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/abbevalues.html

So Trivex is going to have significantly more chromatic aberration than optical glass or CR39. If you have a weak prescription that may not be a problem. But CR39 is definitely better, and will definitely perform better if you have a stronger prescription.
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:39 am    Post subject:

I would love to wear contacts, but they drove me nuts. I should probably head over to Bascom Palmer and see if Lasik is an option.
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:13 am    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
I would love to wear contacts, but they drove me nuts. I should probably head over to Bascom Palmer and see if Lasik is an option.

I ask my ophthalmologist about LASIK every couple of years. I've been through several, and all of them have shut me down every time. Clearly they aren't exactly an independent third party, but I don't disagree with their reasoning.

The general story is that I wouldn't be happy with the end result because there is no way they can nail the correction well enough. It's reshaping your cornea - tissue - so by definition, it's not going to be exact. He says for most average Joes that work office jobs, or firemen, or whatever, it's usually fine. These people can go from needing major correction to a 'good enough' end result whore no significant correction is necessary. These people then eliminate glasses for the most part, and are better off for it.

OTOH, he says that for me, where I'm a video enthusiast, designer, do video and photography, and sit in front of a computer 10 hours a day, and where I want a nice, clear, sharp vision with good contrast and better than 20/20, that there's no way I'd be happy with the end result. They they always say I'll likely still need some correction, so what's the point of spending all that money? They also remind me that for what I do, and my interests, that it's not a good option. From my understanding, it comes to being able to get hassle-free good vision without need for glasses or contacts, or being able to get excellent vision with glasses or contacts and a bit of hassle. I choose the latter.

I don't love contacts, but glasses dive me way MORE nuts. I HATE wearing glasses. When is the last time you tried contacts? They've gotten SO much better in the last 15 years. 5 years or so ago, I switched to AVUCUE 2. They're technically a daily disposable contact. It's too pricey to wear them that way, so I clean them and wear them for about a week or 10 days, then toss them before they ever get uncomfortable. They don't get dirty, they're extremely thin and breathable, and so comfortable that after the first five minutes, I essentially forget I have them in. It's not until I hit the 18 hours ballpark that my eyes get dry and tired.

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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject:

Another thing about lasik is that there is about a 1% failure rate. Meaning that your vision in one eye could be worse than before the surgery and then no longer correctable.

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