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gnnash
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You guys are so childish and say the VW1000 is not High End? Go and watch some VHS movies on your High End CRT´s!  |
Actually, I prefer Laserdisc myself 
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Andreas21
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I don´t have a tricycle since my son learned to use a real bike long ago and I think he left his in Maryland somewhere!
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gnnash
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Do you have any clue at all what you talking about.
My God we found fanboy nr 1 hehe
This is like talking to a 4 year old kid and not the only one.
Grow up you're just write total bull****. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
How else do you think they can accomplish such a thing as "Reality Creation"? |
I'd give a f*ck if there were 2 elfs as long as it looks great.
And are you really that stupid to think that bluray upscaled become native 4 K hahaha joker.
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I don't see anyone ever saying that it was. The person who came closest to saying that was you, saying that the Sony machines magically upscale without any artifacts.
Holy crap, how did I ever let myself get sucked into this?  Too fun I suppose.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
I reccomend all you guys to see the VW1000 and see what I am talking about. |
Well, we would, but since we're High End fanatics... once you mention signal tampering we go somewhere else. And that's why when it comes to Digital's the name that's mentioned around here is JVC.
You see they respect the signal and they do so by not manipulating it and passing it on as being something better after they send it through $50.00 worth of video processing. And then sell the product as being ahead of it's time.
And that's why their consumer projectors have a 1920X1080 panel in it, because their target customers are not the Boy's Scout's of America |
What you are saying here is totally bull!
JVC has something the called E-Shift and they call it 4K, what this does is shift every pixel half a pixel to the side and half a pixel down and process it to look like 4K. What do you say about these algorythms??
You guys are so childish and say the VW1000 is not High End? Go and watch some VHS movies on your High End CRT´s! |
They don't hide that. that feature makes sense for anyone wanting to play around with their projector, but at the end of the day, it still has the native 1080P panel. And you'll be able to go pixel for pixel. |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. 
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mp20748
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Go watch some VHS movies on your ultra high end CRT s hehehe
Do that fanboys hehe god one hehe.
You need som elfs and Santa to this year to Hehe
A bunch of unserious and poor statements that is just bull.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are.....
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Do you have any clue at all what you talking about.
My God we found fanboy nr 1 hehe
This is like talking to a 4 year old kid and not the only one.
Grow up you're just write total bull****. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
How else do you think they can accomplish such a thing as "Reality Creation"? |
I'd give a f*ck if there were 2 elfs as long as it looks great.
And are you really that stupid to think that bluray upscaled become native 4 K hahaha joker.
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I don't see anyone ever saying that it was. The person who came closest to saying that was you, saying that the Sony machines magically upscale without any artifacts.
Holy crap, how did I ever let myself get sucked into this? Too fun I suppose. |
We are not saying there are no artifacts, but they are not visible when watching upscaled 1080p. I have never claimed the Sony can make native 4k out of 1080p, I am not that stupid. But you guys are stupid enough to think your wonderful stoneage CRT machines is the holy grail of projectors and nothing will ever be better!
Me I am a realist and I am looking forward to the day I find something better than the VW1000 and I will cherish is and not talk down to it because something better than my beloved VW1000 showes up. And if I have the budget to buy it I will buy it. If CRT was the holy grail of projectors like you guys think, I would have no problem admitting it and I would probarbly own one myself.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Do you have any clue at all what you talking about.
My God we found fanboy nr 1 hehe
This is like talking to a 4 year old kid and not the only one.
Grow up you're just write total bull****. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
How else do you think they can accomplish such a thing as "Reality Creation"? |
I'd give a f*ck if there were 2 elfs as long as it looks great.
And are you really that stupid to think that bluray upscaled become native 4 K hahaha joker.
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I don't see anyone ever saying that it was. The person who came closest to saying that was you, saying that the Sony machines magically upscale without any artifacts.
Holy crap, how did I ever let myself get sucked into this? Too fun I suppose. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160?[/quote]
Dyslectic ???
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
Have you found my son´s tricycle yet?? He left it at your house 6 months ago. Clown!
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
And to call a JVC a High End projector is to me bull****, only 3chip DLP´s, some LED DLP´s and one Sony fits in that category!
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stridsvognen
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Hey guys.. I belive that kindergarden is closed now.. Its a forum.. If you cant debate without starting beating persons maybe its time to quit.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | I am finished with this now!
It is easyer to talk to my 3 year old son about picturequality and he understands picturequality better than you guys!
Thank you very much! |
Good, don't forget to take your tricycle with you when you leave. |
How old are U ? Did you feel that he was to kind?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Hey guys.. I belive that kindergarden is closed now.. Its a forum.. If you cant debate without starting beating persons maybe its time to quit. |
There I agree.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Hey guys.. I belive that kindergarden is closed now.. Its a forum.. If you cant debate without starting beating persons maybe its time to quit. |
Who started this, you can find him in Wonderland or was it Maryland, I am not sure??
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gnnash
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors.
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gnnash
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| Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
How else do you think they can accomplish such a thing as "Reality Creation"? |
I'd give a f*ck if there were 2 elfs as long as it looks great.
And are you really that stupid to think that bluray upscaled become native 4 K hahaha joker.
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I don't see anyone ever saying that it was. The person who came closest to saying that was you, saying that the Sony machines magically upscale without any artifacts.
Holy crap, how did I ever let myself get sucked into this? Too fun I suppose. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
Dyslectic ??? |
No, but apparently a language barrier has prevented you from seeing his joke.
He was mocking you, plain and simple.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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Diddern
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Do you have any clue at all what you talking about.
My God we found fanboy nr 1 hehe
This is like talking to a 4 year old kid and not the only one.
Grow up you're just write total bull****. |
Would you have preferred if I had said that Sony puts a little Elf in each of their VW1000's, and that elf has a magic wand that converts native 1920X1080P into native 4096×2160? |
How else do you think they can accomplish such a thing as "Reality Creation"? |
I'd give a f*ck if there were 2 elfs as long as it looks great.
And are you really that stupid to think that bluray upscaled become native 4 K hahaha joker.
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I don't see anyone ever saying that it was. The person who came closest to saying that was you, saying that the Sony machines magically upscale without any artifacts.
Holy crap, how did I ever let myself get sucked into this? Too fun I suppose. |
Hey mr we have one thing that we agree on. How did I ever let myself get sucked into this? Hehe
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Hey guys.. I belive that kindergarden is closed now.. Its a forum.. If you cant debate without starting beating persons maybe its time to quit. |
Who started this, you can find him in Wonderland or was it Maryland, I am not sure?? |
Seriously.. look the miror.. Or do we need to sum up the bad words and personal picking from Norway.
Kick the ball, not the player.. No matter how bad a player you are.
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Andreas21
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I don´t care.
Amen!
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