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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | Great.
Now that I got your shots. I'll be coming back later and put things back before this morning, a few touch-ups, and it'll be show time.
Oh, and we haven't done the real test (flesh tones yet). We'll do that later..
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And yours still look like VHS.
What ever touch ups yo do it will never look better, and remember these shots are untouched.
And you can not say anything about flesh tones from a screenshot. And in real life your uncalibrated CRT has nothing to do with real fleshtones. And when you talk about muted colors on the X500, what do you mean?? The X500 can show rec709 and much wider colorspace, but when we watch BD it is rec 709 that is the standard.
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Diddern
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Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection.
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Andreas21
Joined: 02 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Are you done??????? now my PJ is turned off, so no more of this bull****. |
NO!
Why can't you do what I ask you??????????????????????????????????
I asked you to not touch my shots. The shots you have reposted in comparison looks terrible.
So could you just post your shots and then I'll post mine in the next post. That way neither of us get to diminish the others shot. When you resized my shot it looks like it was taking from a digital projector, and you must know how much that displease me.
DO NOT RESIZE MY SHOTS |
I think you need to stop your bull****, there is no major difference between your original posted image compared to Didderns resized.
When stridsvognen is zooming in on our pictures it is ok, but when Diddern resize them a litttle it is not?
Even if I donīt think screenshots have much value, the difference between the 9" CRT and X500 on these Baraka images is so big it is funny. Imagine how it will look on a 100-140" screen. LOL!
Diddern got you big time there!  |
Its funny how at times screenshots can not be used to compare or conclude anything, and later its the other way around..
Guess thats about the same as a interlaced CRT projector. |
You can not say anything about black, blacklevel, deep black, colors, color resolution+++
But you can say something about sharpness, detail, depth and HD feel from these pictures.
And if you read what I write, I donīt think they have much value, but the difference is so big it is funny. And the difference will only get bigger when you see it on screen.
I have never said CRT is an interlaced projector! |
Who was it that talked about the morning coffe and CRT projectors was interlaced..? Was it your friend dildo.?
So what i understand you saying now is that no matter the camera or the man behind the camera, any random screenshots can be picked up, and used for sharpness detail dept comparison.? |
I have always said I donīt like screenshots for comparison, but the difference here is so big it is ridicilous. So I can draw this conclution.
You on the other hand can draw adwanced conclutions about color, blacklevel, color resolution and so on.
And you are also a funny guy!
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So if i understand you right, any random picture from any camera, or no matter the man behind it can be used for sharpness evaluation.?
What CRT projectors have you used for a side by side comparison with the X500.?
And what was the source.? |
We have said this many times and I donīt want to repeat my self anymore.
Other than:
The test you were at never showed them side by side and thus you can not draw any conclution from that. This is wat Seegs108 who owned the X500 said after the meet, you never side by side tested them. 
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mp20748
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Give me also the 5th Element shot. And when I get back, we'll continue.. 
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection. |
Whan you talk dynamic range you clearly do not know what you are talking about, The JVC has so much higher dynamic range than the CRT it is simply stupid. The on/off contrast is higher on the X500, the ansi/intrascene contrast is much much higher on the X500. And thus the dynamic range is much much higher/better on the X500.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Are you done??????? now my PJ is turned off, so no more of this bull****. |
NO!
Why can't you do what I ask you??????????????????????????????????
I asked you to not touch my shots. The shots you have reposted in comparison looks terrible.
So could you just post your shots and then I'll post mine in the next post. That way neither of us get to diminish the others shot. When you resized my shot it looks like it was taking from a digital projector, and you must know how much that displease me.
DO NOT RESIZE MY SHOTS |
I think you need to stop your bull****, there is no major difference between your original posted image compared to Didderns resized.
When stridsvognen is zooming in on our pictures it is ok, but when Diddern resize them a litttle it is not?
Even if I donīt think screenshots have much value, the difference between the 9" CRT and X500 on these Baraka images is so big it is funny. Imagine how it will look on a 100-140" screen. LOL!
Diddern got you big time there! |
Its funny how at times screenshots can not be used to compare or conclude anything, and later its the other way around..
Guess thats about the same as a interlaced CRT projector. |
You can not say anything about black, blacklevel, deep black, colors, color resolution+++
But you can say something about sharpness, detail, depth and HD feel from these pictures.
And if you read what I write, I donīt think they have much value, but the difference is so big it is funny. And the difference will only get bigger when you see it on screen.
I have never said CRT is an interlaced projector! |
Who was it that talked about the morning coffe and CRT projectors was interlaced..? Was it your friend dildo.?
So what i understand you saying now is that no matter the camera or the man behind the camera, any random screenshots can be picked up, and used for sharpness detail dept comparison.? |
I have always said I donīt like screenshots for comparison, but the difference here is so big it is ridicilous. So I can draw this conclution.
You on the other hand can draw adwanced conclutions about color, blacklevel, color resolution and so on.
And you are also a funny guy!
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So if i understand you right, any random picture from any camera, or no matter the man behind it can be used for sharpness evaluation.?
What CRT projectors have you used for a side by side comparison with the X500.?
And what was the source.? |
We have said this many times and I donīt want to repeat my self anymore.
Other than:
The test you were at never showed them side by side and thus you can not draw any conclution from that. This is wat Seegs108 who owned the X500 said after the meet, you never side by side tested them. |
I dont remember you were present in the room where the X500 im talking about was tested side by side with a CRT.
I think i have stated a few times that comparing a 80Mhz CRT projector with a new digital machine, be damned if the CRT wont look flat washed out and DVD alike.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Give me also the 5th Element shot. And when I get back, we'll continue.. |
What do you think the result would be??
I just talked to Diddern and he is not at home, but he will take it if he has the movie. Provide the chaper and time so it is easy to find on the BD.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Give me also the 5th Element shot. And when I get back, we'll continue.. |
What do you think the result would be??
I just talked to Diddern and he is not at home, but he will take it if he has the movie. Provide the chaper and time so it is easy to find on the BD. |
When you talk to him next time, please ask for the model nr of that interlaced CRT projector.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Are you done??????? now my PJ is turned off, so no more of this bull****. |
NO!
Why can't you do what I ask you??????????????????????????????????
I asked you to not touch my shots. The shots you have reposted in comparison looks terrible.
So could you just post your shots and then I'll post mine in the next post. That way neither of us get to diminish the others shot. When you resized my shot it looks like it was taking from a digital projector, and you must know how much that displease me.
DO NOT RESIZE MY SHOTS |
I think you need to stop your bull****, there is no major difference between your original posted image compared to Didderns resized.
When stridsvognen is zooming in on our pictures it is ok, but when Diddern resize them a litttle it is not?
Even if I donīt think screenshots have much value, the difference between the 9" CRT and X500 on these Baraka images is so big it is funny. Imagine how it will look on a 100-140" screen. LOL!
Diddern got you big time there! |
Its funny how at times screenshots can not be used to compare or conclude anything, and later its the other way around..
Guess thats about the same as a interlaced CRT projector. |
You can not say anything about black, blacklevel, deep black, colors, color resolution+++
But you can say something about sharpness, detail, depth and HD feel from these pictures.
And if you read what I write, I donīt think they have much value, but the difference is so big it is funny. And the difference will only get bigger when you see it on screen.
I have never said CRT is an interlaced projector! |
Who was it that talked about the morning coffe and CRT projectors was interlaced..? Was it your friend dildo.?
So what i understand you saying now is that no matter the camera or the man behind the camera, any random screenshots can be picked up, and used for sharpness detail dept comparison.? |
I have always said I donīt like screenshots for comparison, but the difference here is so big it is ridicilous. So I can draw this conclution.
You on the other hand can draw adwanced conclutions about color, blacklevel, color resolution and so on.
And you are also a funny guy!
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So if i understand you right, any random picture from any camera, or no matter the man behind it can be used for sharpness evaluation.?
What CRT projectors have you used for a side by side comparison with the X500.?
And what was the source.? |
We have said this many times and I donīt want to repeat my self anymore.
Other than:
The test you were at never showed them side by side and thus you can not draw any conclution from that. This is wat Seegs108 who owned the X500 said after the meet, you never side by side tested them. |
I dont remember you were present in the room where the X500 im talking about was tested side by side with a CRT.
I think i have stated a few times that comparing a 80Mhz CRT projector with a new digital machine, be damned if the CRT wont look flat washed out and DVD alike. |
Seegs108 said they where never side by side tested when he wrote about the meet on AVSforum. And I trust him a hell of a lot more than you.
And when you say flat and DVD like it sounds just the same as MPīs Marquee. But I have never seen a 300000000000mhz Marquee and I when I ask you guys to show me you refuse to do that or you come up with a stupid explenation that you need another couple of years to adjust and install these mods. I have seen modifyed Barcos and original Barcos and it is not a big difference. I think it is a lot like the pacebo effect when testing different speaker cables, you think there is a big difference, but it is not. 
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection. |
Whan you talk dynamic range you clearly do not know what you are talking about, The JVC has so much higher dynamic range than the CRT it is simply stupid. The on/off contrast is higher on the X500, the ansi/intrascene contrast is much much higher on the X500. And thus the dynamic range is much much higher/better on the X500. |
Thats not how it looks on screenshot is it.?
So you say that you have higher native on off on the X500 than on a good CRT projector.?
Or are we talking about a meassured black with the iris closed, and a full pop white with the iris full open.?
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection. |
Whan you talk dynamic range you clearly do not know what you are talking about, The JVC has so much higher dynamic range than the CRT it is simply stupid. The on/off contrast is higher on the X500, the ansi/intrascene contrast is much much higher on the X500. And thus the dynamic range is much much higher/better on the X500. |
Thats not how it looks on screenshot is it.?
So you say that you have higher native on off on the X500 than on a good CRT projector.?
Or are we talking about a meassured black with the iris closed, and a full pop white with the iris full open.? |
The on/off alone does not make that much of a difference in a shot like this, the VW1100 would look more dynamic than the X500 on screen with a scene like this due to its better ansi contrast. My JVC with the iris set on 3 has around 40000:1 on/off and when I engage the DI it has about 350000:1. This it with correct brightness and contrast, what CRT has better than that if set up correct??
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mike just sucks at taking photos i guess plus that his pj is modded so many times i think we never seen a properly setup (mechanical and electrical) from his screenshots.
i bet it looks tons better in real life.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection. |
Whan you talk dynamic range you clearly do not know what you are talking about, The JVC has so much higher dynamic range than the CRT it is simply stupid. The on/off contrast is higher on the X500, the ansi/intrascene contrast is much much higher on the X500. And thus the dynamic range is much much higher/better on the X500. |
Thats not how it looks on screenshot is it.?
So you say that you have higher native on off on the X500 than on a good CRT projector.?
Or are we talking about a meassured black with the iris closed, and a full pop white with the iris full open.? |
The on/off alone does not make that much of a difference in a shot like this, the VW1100 would look more dynamic than the X500 on screen with a scene like this due to its better ansi contrast. My JVC with the iris set on 3 has around 40000:1 on/off and when I engage the DI it has about 350000:1. This it with correct brightness and contrast, what CRT has better than that if set up correct?? |
With a good CRT, you cant measure on off, as black is 0 and lets say max around 10-12fl.
I doubt any of us dont know the numbers.. I also think we all know that DI is a pile of crap.
Its funny to see the X500 shot, and how flat it looks, and that there is no dynamic range or pop anywhere.
How much ansi contrast is enough.? And whats the maximum ansi contrast you will be able to measure in real life.?
Have you experienced how much contrast has been improved on Mikes Marquee over a standard CRT projector, and do you have a idea how he did it.?
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mp20748
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| dvh99 wrote: | mike just sucks at taking photos i guess plus that his pj is modded so many times i think we never seen a properly setup (mechanical and electrical) from his screenshots.
i bet it looks tons better in real life. |
Yes it look really different. The camera does not capture well, plus on these, I'm using a cheap Blu Ray player and a different VIM I'm testing for soemone. My main player won't play Baraka. I'll get back later and we'll continue..
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: |
Mine
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Little better but still so off.
I watch it now on a iPhone 6+
It's time for you to throw the towel.
If you feel that yours is better I give you that pleasure.
But recommend glasses in the future.
Remember mine is also downsampled.
Think this on a big screen. Hehe
Discuss more I read in a day or two.
This takes to much time and just bull.
And if you mean all you say I hope that no one will go to that level.
It will just proove that a fanboy gets knocked down he stays down and just keep talking
And gets punched again and again until he shut the f*ck up.
Happy forum😘 |
I love the dynamic range captured in the water reflection. |
Whan you talk dynamic range you clearly do not know what you are talking about, The JVC has so much higher dynamic range than the CRT it is simply stupid. The on/off contrast is higher on the X500, the ansi/intrascene contrast is much much higher on the X500. And thus the dynamic range is much much higher/better on the X500. |
Thats not how it looks on screenshot is it.?
So you say that you have higher native on off on the X500 than on a good CRT projector.?
Or are we talking about a meassured black with the iris closed, and a full pop white with the iris full open.? |
The on/off alone does not make that much of a difference in a shot like this, the VW1100 would look more dynamic than the X500 on screen with a scene like this due to its better ansi contrast. My JVC with the iris set on 3 has around 40000:1 on/off and when I engage the DI it has about 350000:1. This it with correct brightness and contrast, what CRT has better than that if set up correct?? |
With a good CRT, you cant measure on off, as black is 0 and lets say max around 10-12fl.
I doubt any of us dont know the numbers.. I also think we all know that DI is a pile of crap.
Its funny to see the X500 shot, and how flat it looks, and that there is no dynamic range or pop anywhere.
How much ansi contrast is enough.? And whats the maximum ansi contrast you will be able to measure in real life.?
Have you experienced how much contrast has been improved on Mikes Marquee over a standard CRT projector, and do you have a idea how he did it.? |
If you set up your CRT correct black can be measured if you have the right equpment, the JVC can not be measured in black with poor equipment either. Barco says the Cine 9 has 30000:1 in contrast. 10-12 fl with a CRT on a screen bigger than 80" is in fantasy land.
And when we talk ansi and intrascene contrast, witch is much more important in the kind of scenes in these pictures the JVC is superior to the CRT by far. Ansi contrast is only measured with a checkerboard and can not be taken into the real world, and that is why I talk about intrascene contrast.
Measuring ansi contrast with a checkerboard pattern the JVC measure around 400:1 and a good CRT max 100:1. And with a mixed scene the CRT looses itīs ability to show black very fast and looses to even poor digitals with low on/off but high ansi/intrascenecontrast like a DLP. But this is something you CRT gyus seem to overllook as the only thing important is to bring down the brightness and set it with high enough gamma you get black crush from hell, but it shows 0 IRE totally black.
A correctly implemented Di is not a pile of crap, and JVCīs first try actually works very well.
And when you talk flat and with no pop you have no idea what you are talking about, this is one of the weakest areas of CRT.
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| mp20748 wrote: | | dvh99 wrote: | mike just sucks at taking photos i guess plus that his pj is modded so many times i think we never seen a properly setup (mechanical and electrical) from his screenshots.
i bet it looks tons better in real life. |
Yes it look really different. The camera does not capture well, plus on these, I'm using a cheap Blu Ray player and a different VIM I'm testing for soemone. My main player won't play Baraka. I'll get back later and we'll continue.. |
Row, row, row your boat.
The JVC looks much better in real life than these crappy pictures as you will never be able to show 100% what is on screen. And this is why I say screenshot is just bull!
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| Andreas21 wrote: |
If you set up your CRT correct black can be measured if you have the right equpment, the JVC can not be measured in black with poor equipment either. Barco says the Cine 9 has 30000:1 in contrast. 10-12 fl with a CRT on a screen bigger than 80" is in fantasy land.
And when we talk ansi and intrascene contrast, witch is much more important in the kind of scenes in these pictures the JVC is superior to the CRT by far. Ansi contrast is only measured with a checkerboard and can not be taken into the real world, and that is why I talk about intrascene contrast.
Measuring ansi contrast with a checkerboard pattern the JVC measure around 400:1 and a good CRT max 100:1. And with a mixed scene the CRT looses itīs ability to show black very fast and looses to even poor digitals with low on/off but high ansi/intrascenecontrast like a DLP. But this is something you CRT gyus seem to overllook as the only thing important is to bring down the brightness and set it with high enough gamma you get black crush from hell, but it shows 0 IRE totally black.
A correctly implemented Di is not a pile of crap, and JVCīs first try actually works very well.
And when you talk flat and with no pop you have no idea what you are talking about, this is one of the weakes areas of CRT. |
Why are you beating that poor Barco 909 to death with a stick, we all know that these old noisy low bandwidth CRT machines wont resolve much more than a good PAL DVD format.
You have to admit you have never seen a high bandwidth CRT projector for real.
As Mike posted some time ago, we all have the option to buy whatever digital projector we like, we have a CRT by choice, and you have no clue what it is, that makes us prefer the old Marquee over any digital we can get in this world.
There is something very very nice about the blu ray format when you see it on a good Marquee, and without any processing to mess up the signal.
Is it super bright.. no. is it super sharp.. no. Is it a plug and play shiny black plastic gay toy.. no.. So what is it we like about these huge old projectors.. Im quite sure you will never find out.
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
If you set up your CRT correct black can be measured if you have the right equpment, the JVC can not be measured in black with poor equipment either. Barco says the Cine 9 has 30000:1 in contrast. 10-12 fl with a CRT on a screen bigger than 80" is in fantasy land.
And when we talk ansi and intrascene contrast, witch is much more important in the kind of scenes in these pictures the JVC is superior to the CRT by far. Ansi contrast is only measured with a checkerboard and can not be taken into the real world, and that is why I talk about intrascene contrast.
Measuring ansi contrast with a checkerboard pattern the JVC measure around 400:1 and a good CRT max 100:1. And with a mixed scene the CRT looses itīs ability to show black very fast and looses to even poor digitals with low on/off but high ansi/intrascenecontrast like a DLP. But this is something you CRT gyus seem to overllook as the only thing important is to bring down the brightness and set it with high enough gamma you get black crush from hell, but it shows 0 IRE totally black.
A correctly implemented Di is not a pile of crap, and JVCīs first try actually works very well.
And when you talk flat and with no pop you have no idea what you are talking about, this is one of the weakes areas of CRT. |
Why are you beating that poor Barco 909 to death with a stick, we all know that these old noisy low bandwidth CRT machines wont resolve much more than a good PAL DVD format.
You have to admit you have never seen a high bandwidth CRT projector for real.
As Mike posted some time ago, we all have the option to buy whatever digital projector we like, we have a CRT by choice, and you have no clue what it is, that makes us prefer the old Marquee over any digital we can get in this world.
There is something very very nice about the blu ray format when you see it on a good Marquee, and without any processing to mess up the signal.
Is it super bright.. no. is it super sharp.. no. Is it a plug and play shiny black plastic gay toy.. no.. So what is it we like about these huge old projectors.. Im quite sure you will never find out. |
It is ok with me that you guys like CRT, I could not care less.
But when you say things like a Marquee is super bright, super sharp, much more dynamic than the X500 and other bull**** I can not let that go.
A supermodifyed Marquee is not much better than a 909 I am sure, but you guys have the oportunity to show me/us, but you wonīt do that and I draw my conclutions from that. A CRT will always have the limitations I have mentioned hundreds of times not matter the bandwith and better tubes and other stuff. It will always look like VHS or maby DVD compared to a good digital. You can modify all you want and watch the placebo effect on your screens.
And digitals have a huge andvantage over your bath tub/old snowmobile projectors, they are still being developed and will only get better and better in the future. You can not say the same about your beloved CRT.
But this is like beating some sence into a stone, and you do not have experience to talk about this. I admit I have limited CRT experience, but you will not admit you have limited digital experience. I live in 2015 not the stoneage, and yes, CRT is stoneage tech compared to my X500.
And by the way the X500 has a matte finish not shiny.
You have the oportunity to show me the wonderful picture of these huge old projectors, but you refuse to do that. Why is that?? I would gladly admit I was wrong if you show me a CRT that is better than a ok digital (it does not have to be a JVC) and I would lay flat and appologise on this forum. As I have no problem in admitting it if it was, you on the other hand is so narrow sighted and would never admit a digital to be better even if it was. And that is the definition of a FANBOY!
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
If you set up your CRT correct black can be measured if you have the right equpment, the JVC can not be measured in black with poor equipment either. Barco says the Cine 9 has 30000:1 in contrast. 10-12 fl with a CRT on a screen bigger than 80" is in fantasy land.
And when we talk ansi and intrascene contrast, witch is much more important in the kind of scenes in these pictures the JVC is superior to the CRT by far. Ansi contrast is only measured with a checkerboard and can not be taken into the real world, and that is why I talk about intrascene contrast.
Measuring ansi contrast with a checkerboard pattern the JVC measure around 400:1 and a good CRT max 100:1. And with a mixed scene the CRT looses itīs ability to show black very fast and looses to even poor digitals with low on/off but high ansi/intrascenecontrast like a DLP. But this is something you CRT gyus seem to overllook as the only thing important is to bring down the brightness and set it with high enough gamma you get black crush from hell, but it shows 0 IRE totally black.
A correctly implemented Di is not a pile of crap, and JVCīs first try actually works very well.
And when you talk flat and with no pop you have no idea what you are talking about, this is one of the weakes areas of CRT. |
Why are you beating that poor Barco 909 to death with a stick, we all know that these old noisy low bandwidth CRT machines wont resolve much more than a good PAL DVD format.
You have to admit you have never seen a high bandwidth CRT projector for real.
As Mike posted some time ago, we all have the option to buy whatever digital projector we like, we have a CRT by choice, and you have no clue what it is, that makes us prefer the old Marquee over any digital we can get in this world.
There is something very very nice about the blu ray format when you see it on a good Marquee, and without any processing to mess up the signal.
Is it super bright.. no. is it super sharp.. no. Is it a plug and play shiny black plastic gay toy.. no.. So what is it we like about these huge old projectors.. Im quite sure you will never find out. |
It is ok with me that you guys like CRT, I could not care less.
But when you say things like a Marquee is super bright, super sharp, much more dynamic than the X500 and other bull**** I can not let that go.
A supermodifyed Marquee is not much better than a 909 I am sure, but you guys have the oportunity to show me/us, but you wonīt do that and I draw my conclutions from that. A CRT will always have the limitations I have mentioned hundreds of times not matter the bandwith and better tubes and other stuff. It will always look like VHS or maby DVD compared to a good digital. You can modify all you want and watch the placebo effect on your screens.
And digitals have a huge andvantage over your bath tub/old snowmobile projectors, they are still being developed and will only get better and better in the future. You can not say the same about your beloved CRT.
But this is like beating some sence into a stone, and you do not have experience to talk about this. I admit I have limited CRT experience, but you will not admit you have limited digital experience. I live in 2015 not the stoneage, and yes, CRT is stoneage tech compared to my X500.
And by the way the X500 has a matte finish not shiny.
You have the oportunity to show me the wonderful picture of these huge old projectors, but you refuse to do that. Why is that?? I would gladly admit I was wrong if you show me a CRT that is better than a ok digital (it does not have to be a JVC) and I would lay flat and appologise on this forum. As I have no problem in admitting it if it was, you on the other hand is so narrow sighted and would never admit a digital to be better even if it was. And that is the definition of a FANBOY! |
How do you know what difference bandwidth do, or gain structure true the video chain, or black pedestal, or noise, when all you have never experienced it. ?
How can you comment on stuff you dont have a clue about..?
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