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Diddern
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Greg...
Can you post some screenshots of the 1:1 resolution on the 1080P SMPTE pattern on one of your fully moddet 909 machines.? |
I will do when the moods are done and new tubes are in. But it can could take some time.
But maybe Greg can do this now? use this pattern Greg. And no Zooming  hehe
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HogPilot
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| HogPilot wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I finally got to see my first 4K dislpays recently - the 55", 65", and 84" Sonys, playing 4K demo content. I thought the exact same thing that you did when I saw them from farther away - I wasn't immediately blown away or captivated as I was the first time that I saw an HD display. The store actually had seats set up just outside of 1 screen width with signs explaining why you needed to sit closer, which I thought was a good idea. At that distance, I thought the displays looked nice, but I was a little disappointed with what appeared to be compression artifacts in some of the material during fast motion. Based on that limited experience, I'll say that 4K makes sense for >80" displays (smaller is acceptable for use with extra-close viewing distances such as a computer monitor), and definitely for theaters where you have seating within about 1.5 SW. My theater would certainly be one of those. |
I saw my first 4k content at CEDIA, going on three years ago now. I had exactly the opposite reaction. Ho Lee sh*t. It was a JVC demo—their $200k commercial D-ILA projector, and it must have been on a 50-foot wide screen. To prove your point though, I was probably sitting at around 1x screen width, and it looked stunning. I could have sat there and watched the 5- or 10 minute demo loop for an hour. It was stunning. Spanky Ham was with me for that demo too, and still jokes about my reaction. I'll go on record and say it was total "home theater videophile geek wood" material. Super high-quality demo material, no artifacting... Just very clean. The difference between the 4k demo material and the 2k movie trailers was night and day.
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I'm a firm believer in the efficacy of 4K and I don't disagree that it has the potential to be far more impressive than HD. Hopefully I can see a 4K display with better material. I've been giving the Sony 600 some consideration depending upon the street price, since my theater could definitely benefit from it. |
I was back at the same Virgin store yesterday, and they had a Samsung 65" UHDTV that wasn't there last time. I stood about 1 screen width away, and holy sh*t - it was amazing! Night and day difference over HD. Unlike the Sony material, this was all static video of various cities throughout the US at various times of day - the amount of detail available made me feel like I was standing next to the camera and looking at these locations in person!! I walked back over and looked at the Sony displays, and had the same underwhelming experience as last time - as I suspected, this was a demo material issue and not a resolution issue.
The experience did underscore an important point though - it seems that the benefits of 4K break down relatively quickly when compression and fast motion cause a loss of resolution in the material. I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. This also underscores the importance of displays capable of maintaining motion resolution even at high slew rates - hopefully OLED will be able to deliver in this arena, because I'm skeptical of LCD's ability to do it without turning on any interpolation processing.
Seeing the Samsung TV definitely sealed the deal for me - I'm excited for 4K!
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Diddern
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| HogPilot wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I finally got to see my first 4K dislpays recently - the 55", 65", and 84" Sonys, playing 4K demo content. I thought the exact same thing that you did when I saw them from farther away - I wasn't immediately blown away or captivated as I was the first time that I saw an HD display. The store actually had seats set up just outside of 1 screen width with signs explaining why you needed to sit closer, which I thought was a good idea. At that distance, I thought the displays looked nice, but I was a little disappointed with what appeared to be compression artifacts in some of the material during fast motion. Based on that limited experience, I'll say that 4K makes sense for >80" displays (smaller is acceptable for use with extra-close viewing distances such as a computer monitor), and definitely for theaters where you have seating within about 1.5 SW. My theater would certainly be one of those. |
I saw my first 4k content at CEDIA, going on three years ago now. I had exactly the opposite reaction. Ho Lee sh*t. It was a JVC demo—their $200k commercial D-ILA projector, and it must have been on a 50-foot wide screen. To prove your point though, I was probably sitting at around 1x screen width, and it looked stunning. I could have sat there and watched the 5- or 10 minute demo loop for an hour. It was stunning. Spanky Ham was with me for that demo too, and still jokes about my reaction. I'll go on record and say it was total "home theater videophile geek wood" material. Super high-quality demo material, no artifacting... Just very clean. The difference between the 4k demo material and the 2k movie trailers was night and day.
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I'm a firm believer in the efficacy of 4K and I don't disagree that it has the potential to be far more impressive than HD. Hopefully I can see a 4K display with better material. I've been giving the Sony 600 some consideration depending upon the street price, since my theater could definitely benefit from it. |
I was back at the same Virgin store yesterday, and they had a Samsung 65" UHDTV that wasn't there last time. I stood about 1 screen width away, and holy sh*t - it was amazing! Night and day difference over HD. Unlike the Sony material, this was all static video of various cities throughout the US at various times of day - the amount of detail available made me feel like I was standing next to the camera and looking at these locations in person!! I walked back over and looked at the Sony displays, and had the same underwhelming experience as last time - as I suspected, this was a demo material issue and not a resolution issue.
The experience did underscore an important point though - it seems that the benefits of 4K break down relatively quickly when compression and fast motion cause a loss of resolution in the material. I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. This also underscores the importance of displays capable of maintaining motion resolution even at high slew rates - hopefully OLED will be able to deliver in this arena, because I'm skeptical of LCD's ability to do it without turning on any interpolation processing.
Seeing the Samsung TV definitely sealed the deal for me - I'm excited for 4K! |
I have watched Blueray upscaled to 4 K with my vw1000 almost for 2 Years you get exited. I feel 2,5D not 2D
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HogPilot
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| Diddern wrote: | | I have watched Blueray upscaled to 4 K with my vw1000 almost for 2 Years you get exited. I feel 2,5D not 2D |
Completely agree - the image definitely had a depth to it beyond what I've ever experienced with 1080p.
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kal
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| HogPilot wrote: | | I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. |
Doubt it. They're already compressing the crap out of 1080p today because most people don't seem to care. From my experience, as long as someone is told that their display is 1080p and that their provider is sending them 1080p, they're happy. I'm sure 4K will be the same.
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Aussie_Al
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| HogPilot wrote: |
I was back at the same Virgin store yesterday, and they had a Samsung 65" UHDTV that wasn't there last time. I stood about 1 screen width away, and holy sh*t - it was amazing! Night and day difference over HD. Unlike the Sony material, this was all static video of various cities throughout the US at various times of day - the amount of detail available made me feel like I was standing next to the camera and looking at these locations in person!! I walked back over and looked at the Sony displays, and had the same underwhelming experience as last time - as I suspected, this was a demo material issue and not a resolution issue.
The experience did underscore an important point though - it seems that the benefits of 4K break down relatively quickly when compression and fast motion cause a loss of resolution in the material. I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. This also underscores the importance of displays capable of maintaining motion resolution even at high slew rates - hopefully OLED will be able to deliver in this arena, because I'm skeptical of LCD's ability to do it without turning on any interpolation processing.
Seeing the Samsung TV definitely sealed the deal for me - I'm excited for 4K! |
A couple of weeks ago I was in the local "Joyce Mayne" store and thought I'd cruise on down to the video section. They happened to have on 1 side the LG 100" laser display (only 1080P) for near $9K. Looked pretty good, viewing angle I thought was no better than an LCD. But opposite that was (can't recall brand- either LG or Samsung) an 85" UHD display which looked phenomenal! But at a listed $15K it would have wanna been!
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Diddern
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| kal wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. |
Doubt it. They're already compressing the crap out of 1080p today because most people don't seem to care. From my experience, as long as someone is told that their display is 1080p and that their provider is sending them 1080p, they're happy. I'm sure 4K will be the same.
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Some do hehe.
The 4K format will come in 2014-2015 for shore, but I hope they have higher
Bitrate than BD today 8 bit and I do not like 4K with color banding. I think it will be 12-15 bit colors.
But we find out. 😜
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Aussie_Al
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| Diddern wrote: | | kal wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. |
Doubt it. They're already compressing the crap out of 1080p today because most people don't seem to care. From my experience, as long as someone is told that their display is 1080p and that their provider is sending them 1080p, they're happy. I'm sure 4K will be the same.
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Some do hehe.
The 4K format will come in 2014-2015 for shore, but I hope they have higher
Bitrate than BD today 8 bit and I do not like 4K with color banding. I think it will be 12-15 bit colors.
But we find out. 😜 |
I personally think ur still riding ur Unicorn if u hoping for mainstream 4k in 2014! Even 2015 I reckon it'll be stretch...only for the die hards....
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Aussie_Al wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | kal wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | I'm sure the new 4K optical format (4K BD or whatever it will be) will have sufficient bit rates to prevent this, but I wonder if terrestrial broadcasters will take this into consideration. |
Doubt it. They're already compressing the crap out of 1080p today because most people don't seem to care. From my experience, as long as someone is told that their display is 1080p and that their provider is sending them 1080p, they're happy. I'm sure 4K will be the same.
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Some do hehe.
The 4K format will come in 2014-2015 for shore, but I hope they have higher
Bitrate than BD today 8 bit and I do not like 4K with color banding. I think it will be 12-15 bit colors.
But we find out. 😜 |
I personally think ur still riding ur Unicorn if u hoping for mainstream 4k in 2014! Even 2015 I reckon it'll be stretch...only for the die hards.... |
4K will take long time for mainstream correct, time limit unknown.
But reachable if you want.
And I hope that it will be possible in Europe.
In USA Sony have servers already up and running to sony 4K owners.
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Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics.
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Diddern
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC this year do not have a 4K projector only 1080P. Remember that only e-skift. And hdmi 2.0 NO......, HDCP22 will not play 4K on this later.
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Andreas21
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC has no 4K projector only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC has no 4K projector for HOME USE only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it. |
Hehe at the same time
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC this year do not have a 4K projector only 1080P. Remember that only e-skift. And hdmi 2.0 NO......, HDCP22 will not play 4K on this later. |
| Andreas21 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC has no 4K projector only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it. |
Reference earlier in this thread - the projector that Spanky and Crabb saw was JVC's 4K projector aimed at cinemas, which costs 6 figures.
I'm definitely excited for the arrival of 4K, but I'm certainly willing to wait for 4K media, and for everything to settle down in terms of HDMI and HDCP standards, not to mention the potential for REC.2020 to get formally accepted as the standard for UHD. In the meantime I'm perfectly happy with my Pioneer Kuro and JVC RS55
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| HogPilot wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC this year do not have a 4K projector only 1080P. Remember that only e-skift. And hdmi 2.0 NO......, HDCP22 will not play 4K on this later. |
| Andreas21 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Hog,
I think you have seen what Crabb and I have seen. When JVC did(does) there Cedia demo with their 4k pj, it looks incredible with native 4k content. With BR, I thought it was good, but not outstanding. I think I mentioned at the time that photographers like Clarence would love the increase in resolution to show their pics. |
JVC has no 4K projector only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it. |
Reference earlier in this thread - the projector that Spanky and Crabb saw was JVC's 4K projector aimed at cinemas, which costs over 6 figures.
I'm definitely excited for the arrival of 4K, but I'm certainly willing to wait for 4K media, and for everything to settle down in terms of HDMI and HDCP standards, not to mention the potential for REC.2020 to get formally accepted as the standard for UHD. In the meantime I'm perfectly happy with my Pioneer Kuro and JVC RS55 |
You should be JVC RS55 is a very nice projector.
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Spanky Ham
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As Hog said (I won't call you out for not looking it up), I am talking about JVCs cinema pj that they show every year at Cedia (at least every year that I have been). It was $150k, but I am not sure what the price is now.
So the Sony 1000 owners don't get a big head, the JVC throws a better pic IMO. Plus, it is much brighter. I realize it should be for that price, but just like the Ruby the biggest claim to fame for the Sony is the price/performance.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | JVC this year do not have a 4K projector only 1080P. Remember that only e-skift. And hdmi 2.0 NO......, HDCP22 will not play 4K on this later. |
| Andreas21 wrote: | | JVC has no 4K projector only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it. |
I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that neither of you have actually seen the new JVC's. I actually saw the demo of X900R at CEDIA, and I can tell you it looked quite nice. It's actually much closer to 4k than it is 1080p. So, you can post all the smiley emoticons you want, and talk all the smack you want, but if I'd bet money that if you actually saw one displaying a 4k source, you'd have a little different opinion.
I think considering that there aren't really any 4k sources yet to speak of, this generation of machine may be a nice intermediate step for the next couple of years. Until some decent 4k sources do become available, the eShift works very, very well for large screen viewing angles.
Wring your hands over HDCP 2.2 and Rec. 2020 all you want, but until there's even talk of a source with content equipped with such, much less actual shipping hardware, these new JVCs look like a hell of a machine for the money.
It's all a little academic at this point anyway, because unless you have a Sony VW1000 or 600, there's no content... Hell, let's just call it like it is: There's no 4k/UHD content right now.
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Diddern
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | JVC this year do not have a 4K projector only 1080P. Remember that only e-skift. And hdmi 2.0 NO......, HDCP22 will not play 4K on this later. |
| Andreas21 wrote: | | JVC has no 4K projector only a 1080p projector that can accept 4K material, but when the 4K material has HDCP 2.2 the JVC can not play it. |
I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that neither of you have actually seen the new JVC's. I actually saw the demo of X900R at CEDIA, and I can tell you it looked quite nice. It's actually much closer to 4k than it is 1080p. So, you can post all the smiley emoticons you want, and talk all the smack you want, but if I'd bet money that if you actually saw one displaying a 4k source, you'd have a little different opinion.
I think considering that there aren't really any 4k sources yet to speak of, this generation of machine may be a nice intermediate step for the next couple of years. Until some decent 4k sources do become available, the eShift works very, very well for large screen viewing angles.
Wring your hands over HDCP 2.2 and Rec. 2020 all you want, but until there's even talk of a source with content equipped with such, much less actual shipping hardware, these new JVCs look like a hell of a machine for the money.
It's all a little academic at this point anyway, because unless you have a Sony VW1000 or 600, there's no content... Hell, let's just call it like it is: There's no 4k/UHD content right now.
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There is content oh yes, but not for Europe yet. I live there so "There's no 4k/UHD content right now" you are right.
But in USA its possible to buy.
I listen, and learn from people I know and have no interests in brand just picture, and also work with this everyday.
About the JVC I think its best to wait until the product is complete, not talk about a beta version. I'm Shure it was good, but its have very similar picture as the models today, but I want to wait and se the final series when its possible.
4K material on the new JVC,,,,
1. Two HDMI to the JVC to manage to play 4K material downscale to 1080P content on HDMI1.4.
2. NO 4K ship 1080P ship
3. E-shift make it look like higher resolution structure like but not 4K
4.When content come available you can NOT play it because of HDMI2.0
5. But you can play 1080P with e-shift and get a better resolution feeling out of a 1080p projector with 4K from a computer or maybe the RedRay player not shure . This projector has nothing to do with real 4K.
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ecrabb
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| Diddern wrote: | There is content oh yes, but not for Europe yet. I live there so "There's no 4k/UHD content right now" you are right.
But in USA its possible to buy. |
I have news for you... Unless you buy the VW600 or VW1000, there's no content here, either. Even if you have the Sony, I'd hardly call a few dozen movies anything to get excited about.
| Diddern wrote: | | I listen, and learn from people I know and have no interests in brand just picture, and also work with this everyday. |
So do I. I also see for myself, and wait to make judgements and post opinions until I do.
| Diddern wrote: | | About the JVC I think its best to wait until the product is complete, not talk about a beta version. I'm Shure it was good, but its have very similar picture as the models today, but I want to wait and se the final series when its possible. |
It's hardware and it's apparently shipping to customers next month (like always), so the product on display at CEDIA was hardly "beta".
| Diddern wrote: | 4K material on the new JVC,,,,
1. Two HDMI to the JVC to manage to play 4K material downscale to 1080P content on HDMI1.4. |
Stop saying "downscaling to 1080p"; it's really not a fair representation, and it's not how eShift works. It's truly not 4k, but it's also not 1080p, either.
| Diddern wrote: | | 2. NO 4K ship 1080P ship |
I don't understand what you're saying here.
| Diddern wrote: | | 3. E-shift make it look like higher resolution structure like but not 4K |
Having seen it, it looks a lot more like 4k than 1080p. I saw it on a very large screen, and it was very impressive. Clearly, it's not true 4k, but I can tell you I saw it first-hand and it looked very good.
| Diddern wrote: | | 4.When content come available you can NOT play it because of HDMI2.0p |
But, there's nothing out now, or for the foreseeable future, so I'm not sure how big of a concern this is. Maybe some will have dual HDMI 1.4 outputs. Won't 2160p/24 will work fine via HDMI 1.4?
| Diddern wrote: | | 5. But you can play 1080P with e-shift and get a better resolution feeling out of a 1080p projector with 4K from a computer or maybe the RedRay player not shure . This projector has nothing to do with real 4K. |
Like I said, it's an intermediate step. Considering that an RS49 is $4999 MSRP, it's a SIGNIFICANTLY lower-cost option than a Sony, currently the only other UHD projection option. I'm not even remotely in the market for a $15,000 projector, but I certainly may be interested in a RS49. So, for buyers like me, it certainly does have something to do with 4k, as it's the only way I could display a 4k source - if there were one - in anything better-looking than 1080p.
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I haven't seen eShift 2 or 3 yet, only the original eShift on my RS55. Although I was pleased with significant decrease in pixel structure and complete lack of SDE, I eventually turned it off because of the visible ringing that it induced with many types of material, which I found to be quite annoying. I hope that was reduced with eShift 2 or 3, but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch. If I had a projector that was 4 or 5 years old, an RS57 or 67 would be an easy upgrade to jump to; as it stands I think my RS55 will take me all the way out until the whole 4K thing is finalized and material is widely available.
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He's mad at us for making Hog a moderator. He took his ball and went home.
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