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Andreas21
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| redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
What is MDF?? A CRT can not reproduce 1080p at 100% MTF, not even a high end single chip DLP can do that.
Since none of you guys are willing to answer, a CRT maxes out at about 50% MTF at 1080p and some of the reasons for this is that 1080p is based on pixels not lines and the p stands for progressive. It is a little better in the horizontal than vertical. The same goes with all progressive digital sources, it handles interlaced material better. A JVC X500 can show 1080p at around 98% MTF for comparizon. 
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redfox001
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
What is MDF?? A CRT can not reproduce 1080p at 100% MTF, not even a high end single chip DLP can do that.
Since none of you guys are willing to answer, a CRT maxes out at about 50% MTF at 1080p and some of the reasons for this is that 1080p is based on pixels not lines and the p stands for progressive. It is a little better in the horizontal than vertical. The same goes with all progressive digital sources, it handles interlaced material better. A JVC X500 can show 1080p at around 98% MTF for comparizon. |
Man you have sh*t for brains. We keep posting pictures of 1080p 100% resolved. The 1:1 looks perfect. That is what Mike does with the video boards from a Marquee.
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
You guys talk about how real your CRTīs look all the time, then I say it can not look real with that kind of picture quality, not even the best 4K machines look close to real meaning what you see when you look out of your window. There is nothing that can reproduce that, the closest I have seen if you look away from its black level capabilities it the VW1000/1100 when fed a native 4K source. If you mean real like filmlike a CRT is far from that as well as film does not have to look soft and dull. |
It's really a waste of time going over this with you.
You said in your previous thread: why you keep talking about the 4K, when if you look at your previous post, you keep bringing it up yourself. I'm only responding to you not wanting to talk about the X500, but you still boasting about how great the Sony is/was...but is now sold..
| Quote: | | There is nothing that can reproduce that, the closest I have seen... |
You need to go beyond that little world you live in between your two ears |
Since you are the expert why donīt you come up with something smart?
I am only mentioning the Sony 4K because you guys keep bringing it up. And when it comes to a real picture in daylight it is the best I have seen with the X500 in second. The CRTīs I have seen is waaaaay down on the real list in daylight. In darker scenes they are a long way up on the list, but the last years JVC has passed them on that also. Same goes with JVC a couple of years back. And I am not talking about 0 IRE as it is not very fun to watch!
Between my ears it is 2015 not 1999, maby you guys should wake up.
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redfox001
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I told you several times that that 1:1 testpicture that you build your confidence on is reproduced by modified CRT's many times. You called that BS and did not want to discuss it. Mike mentions it several times. Your reference to CRT is not correct.
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Andreas21
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
What is MDF?? A CRT can not reproduce 1080p at 100% MTF, not even a high end single chip DLP can do that.
Since none of you guys are willing to answer, a CRT maxes out at about 50% MTF at 1080p and some of the reasons for this is that 1080p is based on pixels not lines and the p stands for progressive. It is a little better in the horizontal than vertical. The same goes with all progressive digital sources, it handles interlaced material better. A JVC X500 can show 1080p at around 98% MTF for comparizon. |
Man you have sh*t for brains. We keep posting pictures of 1080p 100% resolved. The 1:1 looks perfect. That is what Mike does with the video boards from a Marquee. |
Now you you show your ignorance, you clearly have no idea what MTF is. Noting can show 100% MTF at 1080p.
A CRT can not even show 480p at 100% MTF.
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Since you are the expert why dont tou come up with something smart? |
The more I read your post, I'm more convinced that you're really clueless. You're like a 5 year old on Christmas day, can't wait to take his tricycle on the highway and follow daddy to work.
So I've changed my mind. Nothing could possibly be accomplished talking to you or doing any testing. So I'm out. It's not somebody else chance to try and get you beyond your 3rd grade mentality on the technology.
| Quote: | I am only mentioning the Sony 4K because you guys keep bringing it up. And when it comes to a real picture in daylight it is the best I have seen with the X500 in second. The CRTīs I have seen is waaaaay down on the real list in daylight. In darker scenes they are a long way up on the list, but the last years JVC has passed them on that also. Same goes with JVC a couple of years back. And I am not talking about 0 IRE as it is not very fun to watch!
Between my ears it is 2015 not 1999, maby you guys should wake up. |
It really is a waste of time dealing with you two guys. What happened, did they kick you two off of AVS? Or did they politely send you over here to get rid of you...if they did I was understand.
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| redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
Hehe
The CRT with 100% MDF ( Medium-Density Fibreboard) yes I will not argue at all, but 100% MTF(Modulation Transfer Function) on a CRT is far form correct and possible. Even 100% MTF on 480P is not possible.
And I urge you to google MTF
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mp20748
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| Diddern wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
Hehe
The CRT with 100% MDF ( Medium-Density Fibreboard) yes I will not argue at all, but 100% MTF(Modulation Transfer Function) on a CRT is far form correct and possible. Even 100% MTF on 480P is not possible.
And I urge you to google MTF
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Oh come on. There you go again, wanting to point something out to someone. Where were you when the both of you purchased those two 4K projectors. You obviously forgot to use Google yourself
Now who may have made the costly mistake...
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Since you are the expert why dont tou come up with something smart? |
The more I read your post, I'm more convinced that you're really clueless. You're like a 5 year old on Christmas day, can't wait to take his tricycle on the highway and follow daddy to work.
So I've changed my mind. Nothing could possibly be accomplished talking to you or doing any testing. So I'm out. It's not somebody else chance to try and get you beyond your 3rd grade mentality on the technology.
| Quote: | I am only mentioning the Sony 4K because you guys keep bringing it up. And when it comes to a real picture in daylight it is the best I have seen with the X500 in second. The CRTīs I have seen is waaaaay down on the real list in daylight. In darker scenes they are a long way up on the list, but the last years JVC has passed them on that also. Same goes with JVC a couple of years back. And I am not talking about 0 IRE as it is not very fun to watch!
Between my ears it is 2015 not 1999, maby you guys should wake up. |
It really is a waste of time dealing with you two guys. What happened, did they kick you two off of AVS? Or did they politely send you over here to get rid of you...if they did I was understand. |
Ditto! 
And since I know how to behave my account at AVS is active. Some of the things you and Macgyver has said to me and Diddern wold kick you out of AVS for life. Please grow up!
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And since I know how to behave my account at AVS is active. Some of the things you and Macgyver has said to me and Diddern wold kick you out of AVS for life. Please grow up! |
Great. glad to hear your account is active. Now could you please go back and continue your missionary journey over there.
btw, they never chastened me on AVS for dealing with people like you..my account is also still active.
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | We only say we do not like Fake. The CRT with 100% MDF resolution has real resolution. The CRT with very sharp beam and 100% MDF reproduces every detail that is on the source. The rest on your digitals is faked. |
Hehe
The CRT with 100% MDF ( Medium-Density Fibreboard) yes I will not argue at all, but 100% MTF(Modulation Transfer Function) on a CRT is far form correct and possible. Even 100% MTF on 480P is not possible.
And I urge you to google MTF
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Oh come on. There you go again, wanting to point something out to someone. Where were you when the both of you purchased those two 4K projectors. You obviously forgot to use Google yourself
Now who may have made the costly mistake... |
Diddern and I was among the first in the world who pre ordered the VW1000, no one but tha Sony techs working on it had seen it when we pre ordered it, so it was impossible to google it... 
That is called to be an innovetor!
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
And since I know how to behave my account at AVS is active. Some of the things you and Macgyver has said to me and Diddern wold kick you out of AVS for life. Please grow up! |
Great. glad to hear your account is active. Now could you please go back and continue your missionary journey over there.
btw, they never chastened me on AVS for dealing with people like you..my account is also still active. |
At AVS you know you have to behave, if one calls people idiots and sh*t for brains and call their wife names their accounts will be banned.
I will leave this forum when I find it right to do so, you can not tell me to do it!
And over there most people have woken up and smelled the coffe and the CRT forum is almost dead, it is only when people come from this forum something happens there.
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FYI
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This is a 1:1 testpicture that works from 3:3 to 2:2 to 1:1 in little rightangles over the complete screen. You see the vertical and horizontal lines.
It show that 1 pixel on and than 1 pixel off is reproduce with a Marquee 9500 with complet brightness and blackness. So The MTF going through the video chain and the lenses does not get altered. This clearly show that 1080p is 100% resolved almost everywhere on the screen and even at low levels.
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Antother example is desktop picture, this is also from the Samsung.
Feel free to post a desktop picture from your CRT...
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MTF is the ability for the beam to go from complete black to complet white in 1 pixel. You see in the testpicture that the brightness of the vertical and horizontal blocks is the same. On a not so good CRt the horizontal block looks darker because the beam can not go to complete white and black. You see here that the horzontal and vertical blocks look the same. You want me to show more pics of the 1:1 that you do undertand or recognise better?
By the way do not respond without thinking like you did the last time. I try to get to the grey part in your head.
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At AVS you know you have to behave, if one calls people idiots and sh*t for brains and call their wife names their accounts will be banned |
Well, I am guilty of referring to you as an idiot. Stuff like the following comment is the main reason why:
| Quote: | | And over there most people have woken up and smelled the coffe and the CRT forum is almost dead, it is only when people come from this forum something happens there. |
Or maybe I should have said you lack common sense, because you seem to think it's OK to impose your belief on an entire forum, that they are idiots for not seeing things your way.
So, you're the one bringing the insults...
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| redfox001 wrote: | MTF is the ability for the beam to go from complete black to complet white in 1 pixel. You see in the testpicture that the brightness of the vertical and horizontal blocks is the same. On a not so good CRt the horizontal block looks darker because the beam can not go to complete white and black. You see here that the horzontal and vertical blocks look the same. You want me to show more pics of the 1:1 that you do undertand or recognise better?
By the way do not respond without thinking like you did the last time. I try to get to the grey part in your head. |
Show me the top vertical lines from your picture. If it looks like the Samsung you have over 90% MTF. Yout picture does not proove anything according to MTF, you nee to yake a close up like this one I posted from the Samsung.
And why do you need badmouth me all the time??
I posted this picture, but something happened?? This shows MTF.
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