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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | Sine you are takling about bandwith limitations all the time, what is the bandwith of a real 4K display at 60Hz and 8 bit.
And I don't care to continue because I am so stupid and know nothing about projectors and the ability to show a good picture! |
To calculate the bandwidth, i need to know the total amount of pixels in 4K.. Can you tell me.? |
Full 4K 4096x2160
Hehe
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | Sine you are takling about bandwith limitations all the time, what is the bandwith of a real 4K display at 60Hz and 8 bit.
And I don't care to continue because I am so stupid and know nothing about projectors and the ability to show a good picture! |
To calculate the bandwidth, i need to know the total amount of pixels in 4K.. Can you tell me.? |
Full 4K 4096x2160
Hehe |
Yeah.. but whats the total pixels.? I dont have those nr.. Can you tell me.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | Sine you are takling about bandwith limitations all the time, what is the bandwith of a real 4K display at 60Hz and 8 bit.
And I don't care to continue because I am so stupid and know nothing about projectors and the ability to show a good picture! |
To calculate the bandwidth, i need to know the total amount of pixels in 4K.. Can you tell me.? |
Full 4K 4096x2160
Hehe |
Yeah.. but whats the total pixels.? I dont have those nr.. Can you tell me.? |
We so stupid? Lol
Let it go. Not of any interest.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | Sine you are takling about bandwith limitations all the time, what is the bandwith of a real 4K display at 60Hz and 8 bit.
And I don't care to continue because I am so stupid and know nothing about projectors and the ability to show a good picture! |
To calculate the bandwidth, i need to know the total amount of pixels in 4K.. Can you tell me.? |
Full 4K 4096x2160
Hehe |
Yeah.. but whats the total pixels.? I dont have those nr.. Can you tell me.? |
We so stupid? Lol
Let it go. Not of any interest. |
Sure its interesting i would love to know the total pixels of 4K.. When i know that i can calculate a bandwidth/ pixel clock.
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Andreas21
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah but to do that i need the total pixels.. I admit not knowing much about the 4K standard, so you need to help me here with the basic numbers.
Please
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah but to do that i need the total pixels.. I admit not knowing much about the 4K standard, so you need to help me here with the basic numbers.
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What's the point? Let this dead man, what do you want to prove whit this? 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah Andreas he need total pixels hehe
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah but to do that i need the total pixels.. I admit not knowing much about the 4K standard, so you need to help me here with the basic numbers.
Please |
What's the point? Let this dead man, what do you want to prove whit this? |
Just want to ansver the question i was asked.. Now like the definition of resolution nr before, why is it that you insist not ansvering anything.?
You were not able to add the missing numbers then.. the best offer i got from you was a P
Now you dont want to tell me the basic total pixels of 4K.. Im starting to think you like me dont know those nr.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Stridsvognen please stop to talk like you are a teacher, it's very annoying just make your point.
You also make statements that doesn't make any sense.
| Quote: | | Im confident they had selected the JVC if we had used any Barco CRT as the other option. |
Why are you thinking Marquee is the only and best CRT projector? I think Marquee 9500, Barco 909 and Sony G90 are on same level. I agree that there are more modifications to be done on a marquee and it can handle higher pixel clock, but that doesn't mean using higher pixel clock will always give you better PQ. Using higher pixel clock will also give you more problems in the video chain. Need better cables, better scalers, HDMI converter and so on. Then what's the use of it when you can use 1080P60hz with pixel clock around 158mhz and 817P@72hz pixel clock around 148mhz. Most movies are 21:9 anyway so why bother.
Also I think it doesn't matter if a vw1000 doesn't process scaling from 1080p exactly right to 4K or digital sharpness if you don't find it back into the picture when watching a movie.
@Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think
@Strisvognen: I think VW1000 is also better than you think
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah but to do that i need the total pixels.. I admit not knowing much about the 4K standard, so you need to help me here with the basic numbers.
Please |
Not to be rude but you have been doing crt for 2 years now.
I have been doing CRT 20 years, and all you are saying and try to find out are old news. But that you do not know about me.
What are you trying to get out of all this crap? You think you know so much. And ALL IS OLD NEWS to me.
All you say and try to discuss is finished discussing before in other forums also told by others.
So the point of this for me was only to state that topic is total bull**** BULSHIT BULSHIT. And that saying that a 4K machine today for home use is even close to a SUPER MODDED CRT is total NONSENCE.
Can you at least try to admit the fact? Or are you to Fan of the CRT tec. And again.... Not that a fantastic CRT gives a fantastic pictures YES still do.
But not comparable for home use movie entertainment HD compared, to the best digital for home use..
END OF STORY.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | Stridsvognen please stop to talk like you are a teacher, it's very annoying just make your point.
You also make statements that doesn't make any sense.
| Quote: | | Im confident they had selected the JVC if we had used any Barco CRT as the other option. |
Why are you thinking Marquee is the only and best CRT projector? I think Marquee 9500, Barco 909 and Sony G90 are on same level. I agree that there are more modifications to be done on a marquee and it can handle higher pixel clock, but that doesn't mean using higher pixel clock will always give you better PQ. Using higher pixel clock will also give you more problems in the video chain. Need better cables, better scalers, HDMI converter and so on. Then what's the use of it when you can use 1080P60hz with pixel clock around 158mhz and 817P@72hz pixel clock around 148mhz. Most movies are 21:9 anyway so why bother.
Also I think it doesn't matter if a vw1000 doesn't process scaling from 1080p exactly right to 4K or digital sharpness if you don't find it back into the picture when watching a movie.
@Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think
@Strisvognen: I think VW1000 is also better than you think |
Sorry.. My ententions is not to teach anyone with my limited experience.
I think , if we finish whats going on here, there will be a full circle.
I think the way to understand each display tech best is to understand at least some basic stuff about the native information, and the limitations each tech have to display different parameters of that native source.
I have a preference, i have stated that many times, and ill not elect any projector the winner of anything. I select my prefered projector based on my preferences, just like you im sure, from what you have seen and experienced.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | Stridsvognen please stop to talk like you are a teacher, it's very annoying just make your point.
You also make statements that doesn't make any sense.
| Quote: | | Im confident they had selected the JVC if we had used any Barco CRT as the other option. |
Why are you thinking Marquee is the only and best CRT projector? I think Marquee 9500, Barco 909 and Sony G90 are on same level. I agree that there are more modifications to be done on a marquee and it can handle higher pixel clock, but that doesn't mean using higher pixel clock will always give you better PQ. Using higher pixel clock will also give you more problems in the video chain. Need better cables, better scalers, HDMI converter and so on. Then what's the use of it when you can use 1080P60hz with pixel clock around 158mhz and 817P@72hz pixel clock around 148mhz. Most movies are 21:9 anyway so why bother.
Also I think it doesn't matter if a vw1000 doesn't process scaling from 1080p exactly right to 4K or digital sharpness if you don't find it back into the picture when watching a movie.
@Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think
@Strisvognen: I think VW1000 is also better than you think |
I know what I know, and I know that I have seen and had great CRTs.
So do not try to say that I have seen only BAD 909 and marquees. I can say that only small marginal differences form what people have here on this forum. So NO I know what a god CRT 1080P looks like, and I know what a vw1000 looks like.
And NO for me: Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think... I have seen it and know.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | Stridsvognen please stop to talk like you are a teacher, it's very annoying just make your point.
You also make statements that doesn't make any sense.
| Quote: | | Im confident they had selected the JVC if we had used any Barco CRT as the other option. |
Why are you thinking Marquee is the only and best CRT projector? I think Marquee 9500, Barco 909 and Sony G90 are on same level. I agree that there are more modifications to be done on a marquee and it can handle higher pixel clock, but that doesn't mean using higher pixel clock will always give you better PQ. Using higher pixel clock will also give you more problems in the video chain. Need better cables, better scalers, HDMI converter and so on. Then what's the use of it when you can use 1080P60hz with pixel clock around 158mhz and 817P@72hz pixel clock around 148mhz. Most movies are 21:9 anyway so why bother.
Also I think it doesn't matter if a vw1000 doesn't process scaling from 1080p exactly right to 4K or digital sharpness if you don't find it back into the picture when watching a movie.
@Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think
@Strisvognen: I think VW1000 is also better than you think |
I agree and I really want to see a high end CRT side by side with the VW1000, and Didrik and I have the possibility to do it, but according to stridsvognen no one in Norway has the knowledge to set them up correctly. 
And to stridvognen, I don't have all the timing numbers and I am at my cabin so I can't help you. But I thought you with your superior knowledge would have no problem in figiuring it out. 
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you?? |
Yeah but to do that i need the total pixels.. I admit not knowing much about the 4K standard, so you need to help me here with the basic numbers.
Please |
Not to be rude but you have been doing crt for 2 years now.
I have been doing CRT 20 years, and all you are saying and try to find out are old news. But that you do not know about me.
What are you trying to get out of all this crap? You think you know so much. And ALL IS OLD NEWS to me.
All you say and try to discuss is finished discussing before in other forums also told by others.
So the point of this for me was only to state that topic is total bull**** BULSHIT BULSHIT. And that saying that a 4K machine today for home use is even close to a SUPER MODDED CRT is total NONSENCE.
Can you at least try to admit the fact? Or are you to Fan of the CRT tec. And again.... Not that a fantastic CRT gives a fantastic pictures YES still do.
But not comparable for home use movie entertainment HD compared, to the best digital for home use..
END OF STORY. |
Well im sorry to diagnose you with 2 dimensional tunnel vision.
But im still interested to know the total pixels on the 4K standard so i can calculate the pixel clock needed to display it.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | Stridsvognen please stop to talk like you are a teacher, it's very annoying just make your point.
You also make statements that doesn't make any sense.
| Quote: | | Im confident they had selected the JVC if we had used any Barco CRT as the other option. |
Why are you thinking Marquee is the only and best CRT projector? I think Marquee 9500, Barco 909 and Sony G90 are on same level. I agree that there are more modifications to be done on a marquee and it can handle higher pixel clock, but that doesn't mean using higher pixel clock will always give you better PQ. Using higher pixel clock will also give you more problems in the video chain. Need better cables, better scalers, HDMI converter and so on. Then what's the use of it when you can use 1080P60hz with pixel clock around 158mhz and 817P@72hz pixel clock around 148mhz. Most movies are 21:9 anyway so why bother.
Also I think it doesn't matter if a vw1000 doesn't process scaling from 1080p exactly right to 4K or digital sharpness if you don't find it back into the picture when watching a movie.
@Diddern and Andreas: I think CRT is better then you think
@Strisvognen: I think VW1000 is also better than you think |
Sorry.. My ententions is not to teach anyone with my limited experience.
I think , if we finish whats going on here, there will be a full circle.
I think the way to understand each display tech best is to understand at least some basic stuff about the native information, and the limitations each tech have to display different parameters of that native source.
I have a preference, i have stated that many times, and ill not elect any projector the winner of anything. I select my prefered projector based on my preferences, just like you im sure, from what you have seen and experienced. |
Do not worry we take the trip if you want us to, next year and make a full side by side test in your Cinema. Then we can post it on a forum so everyone can see, that YOU WERE WRONG. Like every other time we done tests with CRT.
Do you still believe that your Marquee or what you have can beat a god digital. And I know that you have said that your JVC blablabla. A Sony HW50 will do more than enough.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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You know how to multiply don't you??......... I am not your calculator.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | You know how to multiply don't you??......... I am not your calculator. |
thats not the problem, i need the right nr to be able to do so and get a usefull nr.
So if you will tell me the nr, ill multiply them and give you the result.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Full 4K 4096x2160 This is 4K
And we do not know if it will be 24, 48, or 60 frames, but the upgrade on the VW1100 will manage all.
And not if it will be REC 2020 or what it will be.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | Full 4K 4096x2160 This is 4K |
Thanks.. Well im surprised that you dident even notice what Andreas was posting..
If i use those nr, it will be wrong, i need the H total x V total x framerate, and i doubt that 4K dont have any porch settings.
Normaly everyone that worked with CRT knows that.
But i have to admit its fun.. I admire your confidence..
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