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| mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | So you're not going to show the whole GROUP? |
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No, post the TWO pictures showing a the full group. And pleased stopped posting the partial |
He did in the last post show the same as stridsvognen.
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stridsvognen
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This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Try to do this on your CRT from 3,5 meters. Hehe
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mp20748
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | So you're not going to show the whole GROUP? |
Pleased? |
No, post the TWO pictures showing a the full group. And pleased stopped posting the partial |
He did in the last post show the same as stridsvognen. |
Put the two of them together, then we will discuss them...
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Try to do this on your CRT from 3,5 meters. Hehe |
will look like the ones i posted.. almost same light level on all resolutions, only limited by my low bandwidth neck board on the blue tube.. u seen the shots..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Try to do this on your CRT from 3,5 meters. Hehe |
will look like the ones i posted.. almost same light level on all resolutions, only limited by my low bandwidth neck board on the blue tube.. u seen the shots.. |
Almost the same I agree hehe
Problem with size on pic and computer. Arg...
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Andreas21
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it 
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Diddern
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Picture did not show because of size,needed to make the picture smaller.
SD hehe
Looks worse also hehe
This is down-sampled to minimum from my pad.
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stridsvognen
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center.
Edit.. Pictire not usable
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Diddern
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center. |
For info, if you touch your screen on your iPhone it will auto adjust that's what I did.
There for darker. This is not a shoutout war on iPhone.
You can clearly see that is poor resolution on camera.
I'm starting to believe that some here do not understand picture quality at all and proven well in your statement.
This is just pictures from a iPhone and if you think that you see my vw1000 you must be lost.
You are trying to twist everything here. And do not want to admit that I have right.
Can't you see that a CRT is far far off from a vw1000 and even your jvc?
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kabuby77
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Is there someone with a 909 that can post a smpte test pattern picture?
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Andreas21
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center. |
Why does the VW1000 show the same levels when shot close up then, this is a limitation in the iPhone 4 camera. I am surpriced how bad your beloved Marquee look with this testpattern.
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center. |
Why does the VW1000 show the same levels when shot close up then, this is a limitation in the iPhone 4 camera. I am surpriced how bad your beloved Marquee look with this testpattern. |
Thanks..
I like you to coment on where it fails.. point out the fails you see..
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When sitting almost 4m from a 110" picture the levels look the same and I can see the lines in the top part of the center group perfectly! So why it lokk dark on the iPhone picture is clearly a camea weakness.
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center. |
Why does the VW1000 show the same levels when shot close up then, this is a limitation in the iPhone 4 camera. I am surpriced how bad your beloved Marquee look with this testpattern. |
Thanks..
I like you to coment on where it fails.. point out the fails you see.. |
The reason your picture looks like it has the same level is because it can not resolve the lines and the square looks like a total white square not black and white lines.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | This looks like a bright low level crt with SD resolution bandwidth.. |
Yes you are totally correct! The iphone camera has nothing to with it |
Its not the iphone changing the light level on different resolutions.. Its bandwidth limitations.. dont bother looking the resolution, look the levels.
This is my crt.. forget the center group look the corners.. the camera is clipping witte in the center. |
Why does the VW1000 show the same levels when shot close up then, this is a limitation in the iPhone 4 camera. I am surpriced how bad your beloved Marquee look with this testpattern. |
Thanks..
I like you to coment on where it fails.. point out the fails you see.. |
The reason your picture looks like it has the same level is because it can not resolve the lines and the square looks like a total white square not black and white lines. |
Ahh so what you say is that vertical and horisontal should not look the same.. What is the reason the light level changes when the lines change direction.?
the pattern is made so there is the same black and white information in both vertical and horisontal.
I dont have a problem seeing the fine lines here 3m from a 100" screen..
I guess that its jost my old sh*tty iphone 3 whos not able to show it, but looking the light level on the pictur vs the screen it looks the same.
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Diddern
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | When sitting almost 4m from a 110" picture the levels look the same and I can see the lines in the top part of the center group perfectly! So why it lokk dark on the iPhone picture is clearly a camea weakness. |
This is correct Andreas.
He will never understand, and never admit. He knows best. 
That's why only him answers with bull and do not see that a digital shows everything better.
Maybe not from iPhone pics but for shore in real side by side tests.
We have seen and hearted this before.
Can anyone else than stridsvognen post some pictures.
And show nec pattern, and that pattern 1:1. That is important.
That shows how the pattern should be shown with black and white lines horizontal and vertical.
Not just blurry lines.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | When sitting almost 4m from a 110" picture the levels look the same and I can see the lines in the top part of the center group perfectly! So why it lokk dark on the iPhone picture is clearly a camea weakness. |
This is correct Andreas.
He will never understand, and never admit. He knows best.
That's why only him answers with bull and do not see that a digital shows everything better.
Maybe not from iPhone pics but for shore in real side by side tests.
We have seen and hearted this before.
Can anyone else than stridsvognen post some pictures.
And show nec pattern, and that pattern 1:1. That is important.
That shows how the pattern should be shown with black and white lines horizontal and vertical.
Not just blurry lines. |
You still need to understand that i dont want to beat your sony.. we are trying to understand what we see here..
the only one here that will be able to explain this right are Mike..
There are many different parameters you can evaluate in that pattern.. can you name some.?
From here i dont doubt what the sony do better, and what the CRT do better.. Again i dont understand why you take this so personal..
The sony will look the same no matter what we talk about in here, and it will still be the one you prefer.. you just need to put down your fists. its not a fight.. its a evaluation of different strong and weak points in different projector types.
So tell me what different parameters you can evaluate from that pattern..
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ecrabb
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For the love of everything that is good about home theater, would you all stop taking photos with the iPhone?
I'm an iPhone fan... For a cell phone, the iPhone has a very good camera; among the best... But, compared to a good DSLR, the sensitivity, dynamic range, resolution, and noise are horrible. If we're going to be comparing screen shots of high-end projectors, and trying to understand anything meaningful from looking at them, DO NOT take photos with handheld cell phones!
If you do insist on taking photos with the iPhone, only closeups are useful... The wide shots of the entire screen are beyond worthless.
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