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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Hey guys.. I belive that kindergarden is closed now.. Its a forum.. If you cant debate without starting beating persons maybe its time to quit. |
Who started this, you can find him in Wonderland or was it Maryland, I am not sure??  |
Seriously.. look the miror.. Or do we need to sum up the bad words and personal picking from Norway.
Kick the ball, not the player.. No matter how bad a player you are. |
That is true, but I did not kick first, I never do! 
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gnnash
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey vay and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
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I don't mind you having the last word, as long as it isn't a spout of lies. Mike in no way was trash talking your projector. He simply said that it was not possible to upscale without artifacting as you two said was possible, and that the Sony projector has to do a great deal of processing to cover up artifacts that do inevitably occur during scaling process. It was you two who then went on to trash-talk JVC and their line of projectors, which many of us talk up and regard so highly, despite them being digitals.
If you prefer the picture of a digital, which I will admit is often sharper, brighter, and more expensive, that is just fine with me. If I could afford such a projector, perhaps I would get one, and just hold onto my CRT as a fun toy to tweak and play with. But for now, as you say, we can all enjoy a movie on our respective favorites, fully appreciating what fits our budgets and makes us happiest.
And not bashing others' favorites with unfair comparisons.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
 what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
Amen! |
To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
What is so hard to understand here. I have tested cine 9, 909, 808 and many times and does not matter. And that with the sony hw50.
The side by side tests show facts. If I lived in your country I could do a side by side test in your cinema for friendship.
And have fun doing it together. There have been so much crap here today that is the worst comedy ever made.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
Amen! |
To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with. |
If you invite med to Denmark I will gladly come to see a perfect CRT, but I know it will not make a difference.
I did not run out of qualified answers, he never answered my questions and started talking trash like: I need to take my tricycle with me when I leave and so on.
And I think you all have to admit you have no clue about the VW1000 and how it performs, to most people (experts, calibrators, average Joe and enthusiasts) it is simply stunning.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | There have been so much crap here today that is the worst comedy ever made. |
Its words like this that dont make a nice debate.. And you started it all yourself..
I mainly like this forum for its quite decent debates, compared to Danish forums.
I think if you push it just a bit more everyone will start kicking you.. Stay focused on the subject.. and keep a decent tone.
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gnnash
Joined: 10 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
What is so hard to understand here. I have tested cine 9, 909, 808 and many times and does not matter. And that with the sony hw50.
The side by side tests show facts. If I lived in your country I could do a side by side test in your cinema for friendship.
And have fun doing it together. There have been so much crap here today that is the worst comedy ever made. |
Excellent. You have found that your personal preference is a sharper and brighter digital image than what some here prefer, a softer and more "film-like" image with higher contrast that a CRT has to offer. There is nothing wrong with this.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
What is so hard to understand here. I have tested cine 9, 909, 808 and many times and does not matter. And that with the sony hw50.
The side by side tests show facts. If I lived in your country I could do a side by side test in your cinema for friendship.
And have fun doing it together. There have been so much crap here today that is the worst comedy ever made. |
Excellent. You have found that your personal preference is a sharper and brighter digital image than what some here prefer, a softer and more "film-like" image with higher contrast that a CRT has to offer. There is nothing wrong with this. |
The big problem is that the CRT does not have higher contrast and you guys need to admit that, and the Sony VW1000 is actually very filmlike. A filmlike image does not have to be soft.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
Amen! |
To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with. |
If you invite med to Denmark I will gladly come to see a perfect CRT, but I know it will not make a difference.
I did not run out of qualified answers, he never answered my questions and started talking trash like: I need to take my tricycle with me when I leave and so on.
And I think you all have to admit you have no clue about the VW1000 and how it performs, to most people (experts, calibrators, average Joe and enthusiasts) it is simply stunning. |
I think everyone agree its ahhh ohh.. stunning.. But you guys cant admit that you have no clue whats up and down in CRT world.. And that you cant trast them all over a few lousy CRT machines..
Lets see some well documented material how the moddet 909 performance, and im sure you will get a new ball to kick..
There is a lot of experience in that game in here.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
Amen! |
To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with. |
You do not know the half of the fact why we just for fun took the vw1000 to the 808 that Greg made some mods.
It was a hole lot of crap talk that started it.
This is not the time and place for that again. And it was to state a point yes. And some dirty.
For me it's not interesting to go deep into the CRT. I see what needed to bee seen. And am finished with it for good.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
Amen! |
To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with. |
You do not know the half of the fact why we just for fun took the vw1000 to the 808 that Greg made some mods.
It was a hole lot of crap talk that started it.
This is not the time and place for that again. And it was to state a point yes. And some dirty.
For me it's not interesting to go deep into the CRT. I see what needed to bee seen. And am finished with it for good. |
So now your saying you started this just to trash all CRT machines over one messed up 808..
You know that nobody had anything positive to say about the 808 in here.. It just placed the guys that moddet and set it op as not able to put a stick in a sh*t without destroy them both.
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gnnash
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: |
You do not know the half of the fact why we just for fun took the vw1000 to the 808 that Greg made some mods.
It was a hole lot of crap talk that started it.
This is not the time and place for that again. And it was to state a point yes. And some dirty.
For me it's not interesting to go deep into the CRT. I see what needed to bee seen. And am finished with it for good. |
It I had $10 for every time someone said they are done with this, I would go out and buy...
a JVC.
Seriously, if anyone here has been a "fanboy", it is you guys for Sony digitals.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
Yes they hide it and call it 4K! But that is ok with you but a real 4K machine is just crap and you would not even want to see it? And I think JVC is using 10$ processing chip. |
JVC made their projector to please people like you and us High End guys. Guess who the 4k part was for? |
what a clown you are..... |
Alright, here's what fascinates me.
Mike came in and made one of the most subjective posts I have seen in this thread. He simply said that your test with an 8 inch air-coupled CRT projector versus a 4k projector, with a 1080p source, was a poor comparison. And you know what? He was absolutely right, it was a poor comparison!
The CRT projector you saw was a mid-grade CRT at best. And your VW1000 is arguably one of the best digitals available anywhere. The 808 that you used cannot resolve 1080p properly. Period. A higher end 9 inch CRT arguably can. So, Mike is absolutely right, not just a "clown", to say that the 1080p source in the 808 could not be resolved.
Then, he tipped his hat to you, saying that it wasn't even fair to your VW1000, because it isn't using your projector to its full potential either, as the scaling will invariably (also a fact) introduce artifacts! Might these artifacts not be noticed by an average user in film content? Sure! Is the VW1000 a damn nice projector? Absolutely. Nobody said that it wasnt.
But comparing your projector to an 8 inch AC set, and then now saying that us users with our high-end CRTs and VHS tapes are stupid, is like us comparing the fully modified 9500LC that Mike has with a sh***y Epson digital projector that belongs in a board room somewhere, and then saying that all digitals are useless.
Nobody said that. In fact, those of us who can arguably afford it or don't wish to spend the extra effort on CRT projection have moved to digitals, and love them! I belong to neither of those camps, so still enjoy my CRT, but do appreciate the advantages that exist in digital projectors. |
And since then he has been trashtalking the VW1000 in evey way and talking sh*t to me and diddern, I find him very serious. Diddern has also seen the Cine 9, 909 and the Marquee 9500 and is not impressed compared to the VW1000.
I say we quit this now and watch a movie on our projectors and have a nice evening with a picture we can enjoy if it is a CRT, DLP, LCD or LCOS I donīt care.
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To question different tecs in a projector, is not trashtalking.. It seems you just run out of qualified ansvers and had to kick the player.
We also earlier found out that Diddern is not capable of evaluating a CRT projector, like he will not be able to explain in details what it do or dont do.
So you have to admit you have no clue how a CRT can perform based on those CRT machines you guys have seen.. And you start with a seriously handicaped machine to start the test with. |
If you invite med to Denmark I will gladly come to see a perfect CRT, but I know it will not make a difference.
I did not run out of qualified answers, he never answered my questions and started talking trash like: I need to take my tricycle with me when I leave and so on.
And I think you all have to admit you have no clue about the VW1000 and how it performs, to most people (experts, calibrators, average Joe and enthusiasts) it is simply stunning. |
I think everyone agree its ahhh ohh.. stunning.. But you guys cant admit that you have no clue whats up and down in CRT world.. And that you cant trast them all over a few lousy CRT machines..
Lets see some well documented material how the moddet 909 performance, and im sure you will get a new ball to kick..
There is a lot of experience in that game in here. |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital.
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| gnnash wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
You do not know the half of the fact why we just for fun took the vw1000 to the 808 that Greg made some mods.
It was a hole lot of crap talk that started it.
This is not the time and place for that again. And it was to state a point yes. And some dirty.
For me it's not interesting to go deep into the CRT. I see what needed to bee seen. And am finished with it for good. |
It I had $10 for every time someone said they are done with this, I would go out and buy...
a JVC.
Seriously, if anyone here has been a "fanboy", it is you guys for Sony digitals. |
I am not a fanboy, I have owned many JVCīs and loved them. But the last couple of years Sony have caught up with them and passed them, and maby JVC will pass Sony again sometime and then the name on the projector in my HT will be JVC.
I found you to be the most serious contender in this idiotic discussion, but now you fell down to my and all the others level.
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| Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine..
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine.. |
When you guys are talking about the source and 1:1 pixelmapping, why do you need a external VP to make the CRT show 72Hz when the source is 24hz (23.976Hz)??
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine.. |
When you guys are talking about the source and 1:1 pixelmapping, why do you need a external VP to make the CRT show 72Hz when the source is 24hz (23.976Hz)?? |
All that we are doing when displaying 72Hz with a processor is tripling every frame - showing it three times in a row. Just like your old CRT monitor on your computer, the higher a refresh rate you display on a CRT projector, the less flicker there is. For most people, anything above 60 Hz won't flicker appreciably.
Our projectors won't display a source at 24Hz, because the flicker would be absolutely horrible.
The images are still 1:1 pixel mapped, the frames are just each shown identically three times. Picture content does not change in any way.
Please stop looking for more reasons to bash.
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| gnnash wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine.. |
When you guys are talking about the source and 1:1 pixelmapping, why do you need a external VP to make the CRT show 72Hz when the source is 24hz (23.976Hz)?? |
All that we are doing when displaying 72Hz with a processor is tripling every frame - showing it three times in a row. Just like your old CRT monitor on your computer, the higher a refresh rate you display on a CRT projector, the less flicker there is. For most people, anything above 60 Hz won't flicker appreciably.
Our projectors won't display a source at 24Hz, because the flicker would be absolutely horrible.
The images are still 1:1 pixel mapped, the frames are just each shown identically three times. Picture content does not change in any way.
Please stop looking for more reasons to bash. |
It was just an honest question! 
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine.. |
When you guys are talking about the source and 1:1 pixelmapping, why do you need a external VP to make the CRT show 72Hz when the source is 24hz (23.976Hz)?? |
I think you know that.. you cant display low framerate on a CRT.. it wil flicker.. 60hz is minimum.
72hz it total flicker free, and will make much smother pan than anything else i have seen.
And like the CRT is a analog machine it dont have any video processor, and needs the external to make the porch settings posible and make the x3 frame rate convertion.
I belive the sony do that internal.
The framerate have nothing to do with the pixel mapping.
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What you donīt seem to realise is that I also have alot of experience with projectors and know what to look for in a good picture, I am not a teenager with too much hormones. I have seen CRTīs set up by experts and have heard what my calibrator says about them and I have seen good CRTīs, but none of them has made me want to sell my digital. |
now we are back on track.. No one wants you to get a CRT. And no one say that your SONY dont give you and others pleasure, you just need to understand that other have have other parameters who pleases them..
I also dont think you will prefer a 300Mhz capable CRT whos sharp, bright and fully resolves 1080P 72hz
Preferences.. i dont want to change yours.. and you cant change mine.. |
When you guys are talking about the source and 1:1 pixelmapping, why do you need a external VP to make the CRT show 72Hz when the source is 24hz (23.976Hz)?? |
All that we are doing when displaying 72Hz with a processor is tripling every frame - showing it three times in a row. Just like your old CRT monitor on your computer, the higher a refresh rate you display on a CRT projector, the less flicker there is. For most people, anything above 60 Hz won't flicker appreciably.
Our projectors won't display a source at 24Hz, because the flicker would be absolutely horrible.
The images are still 1:1 pixel mapped, the frames are just each shown identically three times. Picture content does not change in any way.
Please stop looking for more reasons to bash. |
It was just an honest question! |
Great, glad to hear it. I didn't want you guys to start attacking us for using video processors and degrading our source material.
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