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Diddern

Joined: 02 Jun 2013
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:29 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Stridsvognen!!!!!!

Dansken!!!! Har du gått i ydmykelsesdvale.
Answer my question.

And here some more. Why do you need red and green c-element on crt?
What happens with color red and green when using filters when messhuring primary colors up to HDTV D65 Rec709 on a CRT with pro equipments .?
What happens to the colors if you have to much punch in the picture on your crt.
What happens to the total black on a CRT if you adjust hundred percent correct after video level 16 to 235 with no black crush?
what is your reference gamma?

Sorry Dildo im back..

1 Gamma is around 2.4

2 CRT had colored elements long before digital was able to show colors, so its not like a thing to keep up with digital, and the smart feature with a filter is that it wont go all waco at some area of the curve like a calculation error, or software error. So no C elements have ever had a firmware update.

3 perfect 16-235 coming out of black with a 2.4 gamma will leave a perfect out of black on my projector.

4 Now hope you can tell me if your CMS unit will be able to remap/ recalculate each pixel real time.?

5 So that the correction will happens perfect to each pixel with movie material with no shortcuts or loss.?.?

Thanks for kind words stridsvognen strange Curt does not BANN you are a grown boy.

1. Around 2,4 how do you know?
2. You answered to something else. Have you ever thinker bell that the color triangle on a barco will not make rec 709 without color filters? Ohhh I forgot you do this by eye so not important........ sorry.
3. Tell me how you know
4. Andreas have answered this. Nothing is perfect.
5. answer Nothing is perfect.

WTF are talking about a Barco here..? Who run a 9" crt without at least a green filter. Its standard mounted in the Marquee.

How do i know my gamma.. Umm if i let you guess 3 times do you think its possible you will guess right.?

So your CMS is not perfect.. How do that effect the image when displaying high resolution movie content like skin tones ?

You have said your CRT is not perfect also, how do you know it displays anything correct?

And with by eye calibration it can not by far.

And also read Nashou66 post about the green tube. Wink

So your CMS is not perfect.. How do that effect the image when displaying high resolution movie content like skin tones ?

Like I sayid newer 100% perfect,but guarantied better than any CRT that is not calibrated, and 110% if ""calibrated by your eyes""" for shore.
Are you really this naive and believe you beat the standard with your eyes?

I understand now that you know and understand very little. And definitely not qualified.
Keep up the good work and great statements and kind names to me.

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mp20748

Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 5689
Location: Maryland

TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:41 pm Post subject:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

They were able to show movies on all three screens at once, and they could even show various different images almost anywhere on the screen. Sort of like a PIP display setup

It was powered by a Christie Digital Spyder (40K) processor

Film material blueray or other

They had a Blu Ray player that was installed in the control PC. The spyder (processor) split 1080P into the three projectors for an blended image. The screen was 40 feet wide. It was a Stewart (Diamond) glass screen.

the picture below shows what it looks like from the side

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Diddern

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

Film material blueray or other

Think here now, you work with installations, and its not hard to see that this is not meant to be a movie setup. But can be used for a movie. Then its not important.

If it was a professional home movie theatre would set them up like this? If you say yes, I hope that your days are over quick in the business, and let the professionals take over.

Andreas21

Joined: 02 Oct 2013
Posts: 582

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

Film material blueray or other

This is completly irellevant to the calibration discussion. If this was calibrated 30% by eye, what does it prove? Do you have the calibration report?

I used to work as an AV Technitian and I have installed blends many times so this does not impress me. Now I work in real estate, so now you know my work. Wink

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

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jbmeyer13

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject:

Andreas21 wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

Film material blueray or other

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

I guess if you were good as a technician you wouldn't have changed careers.. Laughing

In all seriousness, setting up a blend so that the blend zone is seamless requires extensive knowledge and very high end hardware (regardless of the content being viewed). Most calibrators don't even want to touch them because it's an exhaustive/difficult process. Summarily dismissing MP's work because it wasn't done in a theater is to use your word "ignorant".
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Diddern

Joined: 02 Jun 2013
Posts: 821
Location: Norway

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject:

jbmeyer13 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

Film material blueray or other

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

I guess if you were good as a technician you wouldn't have changed careers.. Laughing

A setup like that have other requirements, and not like a home Cinema. And that is what we talk about here.
To show Blueray Correct today or closest to how the movie was meant to be seen, you have to use Rec 709 D65 and a gamma of reference.
Personally 2,2 like the blureray normally are not my preferred , I use 2,35 power gamma, and going to try out BT1886.
And also 2,3 with a easy switch.

Andreas21

Joined: 02 Oct 2013
Posts: 582

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject:

jbmeyer13 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

mp20748 wrote:

Diddern wrote:

What are this PJ used for? Movies or what?

Film material blueray or other

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

I guess if you were good as a technician you wouldn't have changed careers.. Laughing

What are you saying here! Why do all the guys here act like children?

A big shoulder injury made me change career. I had a big crash with my Superbike on Sepang circuit in Malaysia and totally destroyed my left shoulder in the crash, and could easily been killed. But I lived and one of the consequeces was I had to change career and now have a artificial shoulder.

As I have set up different blends I know something about it, but my career as a AV tech was shirt because of the crash.

I have not dismissed anything MP did with this blend, but he must be very proud of it as he posted pictures of it the last time we had a stupid discussion like this almost 1,5 years ago. I said I was not so impressed as I have done similar things myself, not that it was not done in a theater. I think you need to read my posts better before you throw sh*t around you. Wink

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mp20748

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TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:30 pm Post subject:

Andreas21 wrote:

I used to work as an AV Technitian and I have installed blends many times so this does not impress me. Now I work in real estate, so now you know my work. Wink

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

It really makes perfect sense that you got out of A/V and into real estate. I can only imagine the headaches you created for others.

Concerning DLP, well, that is what almost all of the cinemas use, and for a lot of good reasons. So it's obviously not as bad as you think. Do you know anything about three chip DLP or have you any experience with it? or is it still the world according to Andy

Andreas21

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:34 pm Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

I used to work as an AV Technitian and I have installed blends many times so this does not impress me. Now I work in real estate, so now you know my work. Wink

And since this was a DLP blend the picture quality had to look like sh*t did it not?? Cool

Read my post over here and you will know why I quit.

And the DLP comment was meant to you as CRT is the only thing for you, but you are to stupid to understand that. I have owned several DLP´s and have tested a few 3 Chip DLP´s including the Sim2 Superlumis, and find them to be superiour to your beloved CRT´s even if they have very poor on/off contrast and blacklevel.
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stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Andreas21

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?
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stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:58 pm Post subject:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?

Was there anything else you prefer to talk about.?

And im still curious if you find the DI worth using on the new JVC.

Diddern

Joined: 02 Jun 2013
Posts: 821
Location: Norway

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Sorry Dildo im back..

Gamma is around 2.4

CRT had colored elements long before digital was able to show colors, so its not like a thing to keep up with digital, and the smart feature with a filter is that it wont go all waco at some area of the curve like a calculation error, or software error. So no C elements have ever had a firmware update.

perfect 16-235 coming out of black with a 2.4 gamma will leave a perfect out of black on my projector.

Now hope you can tell me if your CMS unit will be able to remap/ recalculate each pixel real time.?

So that the correction will happens perfect to each pixel with movie material with no shortcuts or loss.?.?

Why do you have to call him names?? Why do you have to be so rude?

And how do you know you have a 2.4 gamma if you calibrate by eye?

What he is saying is that your CRT with a correctly setup video level 16-235 will not show black (0 IRE) as 0 because of the green tube will not shut completely down. To make this happen you need to set it up with some black crush.

And about you 2 last questions I have already answered them so it is no need for Diddern (not Dildo) to answer them.

I agree with this statement. When I was talking to Tom Huffman of Chromapure about the auto calibration I asked if he could add a feature where you could select the amount of time before the next reading just because of what Andreas mentioned above.

You need at least 5-10 seconds before the green phosphor is dim enough on screen for it not to taint the next
lower % white reading. This does not matter if the software reads from 0-100% but there are occasions where the software first reads 100% white then reads 0% white. Also some read from 100-0 for auto calibration. Here is where the problem comes in. All auto cals read from 100-0 IIRC.

Green will always stay lit for some time, Crushing Green helps the CRT image stay black but you loose low detail in the 1-5% white range.

So What I end up doing is elevate the gamma for the low end and bring 0 to 0 via the lumagen luma adjustment.

It is just the inherent nature of the normal Green phosphor. P43 Green does not do this and this is why simulators for flight use it. You can not get a good greyscale with P43 phosphor but you gain better out of black performance than a standard Green tube.

Athanasios

Stridsvognen and MP what do you have to say to this?? Nashou66 says the same as me and Andreas you ignore again?

Andreas21

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?

Was there anything else you prefer to talk about.?

And im still curious if you find the DI worth using on the new JVC.

Yes, why don´t you also tell me what a poor sh*t of an AV tech I was and no wonder why I changed career.
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stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:04 pm Post subject:

Diddern wrote:

Nashou66 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Stridsvognen and MP what do you have to say to this?? Nashou66 says the same as me and Andreas you ignore again?

Im sure he is right, green tubes have all kind of problems.

Do you use the DI on your JVC.?

stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:06 pm Post subject:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?

Was there anything else you prefer to talk about.?

And im still curious if you find the DI worth using on the new JVC.

Yes, why don´t you also tell me what a poor sh*t of an AV tech I was and no wonder why I changed career.

Are you in a bad mood.?

I was just asking polite if you use your DI

Diddern

Joined: 02 Jun 2013
Posts: 821
Location: Norway

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:07 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Nashou66 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Stridsvognen and MP what do you have to say to this?? Nashou66 says the same as me and Andreas you ignore again?

Im sure he is right, green tubes have all kind of problems.

Do you use the DI on your JVC.?

What do you feel about the JVC iris?

stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:08 pm Post subject:

Diddern wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Nashou66 wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Diddern wrote:

Stridsvognen and MP what do you have to say to this?? Nashou66 says the same as me and Andreas you ignore again?

Im sure he is right, green tubes have all kind of problems.

Do you use the DI on your JVC.?

What do you feel about the JVC iris?

I have no feeling, thats why i ask you guys if your using it, or its better not to use it, My JVC just have a manual iris.

Andreas21

Joined: 02 Oct 2013
Posts: 582

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?

Was there anything else you prefer to talk about.?

And im still curious if you find the DI worth using on the new JVC.

Yes, why don´t you also tell me what a poor sh*t of an AV tech I was and no wonder why I changed career.

Are you in a bad mood.?

I was just asking polite if you use your DI

No, I´m not I just thought you would follow up the others.

And yes, I use the DI on my JVC.
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stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:12 pm Post subject:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Andreas21 wrote:

stridsvognen wrote:

Do any of your Norwegian JVC guys use the DI.?

Why do you change the topic?

Was there anything else you prefer to talk about.?

And im still curious if you find the DI worth using on the new JVC.

Yes, why don´t you also tell me what a poor sh*t of an AV tech I was and no wonder why I changed career.

Are you in a bad mood.?

I was just asking polite if you use your DI

No, I´m not I just thought you would follow up the others.

And yes, I use the DI on my JVC.

Ok.. Always or do it depend on anything.?

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