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Diddern
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I'm finished do not need to prove anything more. RIP.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| overclkr wrote: | That JVC is JUNK. What a piece of crap.
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Good one, I know you do not mean that, cool picture.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Wow
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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WOW
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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HD done right 
Mine crt is better, your jvc is crap
RIP 
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overclkr
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Just Visualize Crap
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
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Location: Maryland
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Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color.
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Andreas21
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Really? Whats wrong with that pic Kurt?
I love my CRT Blend...... but I am not blinded by what the digital guys are posting here. Especially Tawn's shots of his 909 and JVC. And the last Apacalypto shots.
No reason why someone can't love both technologies.
CRT for the fun of tweaking and seeing how far it can be pushed and Digital for how much better it gets every year,And no matter what we do with our CRT's they will never be as sharp , just face it guys.
We like CRT FOR THE SOFTNESS, it reminds us of film, just as I still love the soft sound of Vinyl over Digital. But I use digital music almost excusivley and save my analog listening for the times I want to relax and experience the whole analog sound.
But you digital guys miss the points I just laid out.
Even we CRT guys question Gregs claims here. We are not defending him.
We are defending the right to still own these beasts. We like to tinker, and learn about electronics from them.
It is fun for us, what can't you just leave it at that.
Some day I'll own a digital, actually do an old Sony VPLWQ400, but will get e newer tech one. And you know what?
I'll still keep my CRT Blend up and watch it weekly. Why? BECAUSE I STALL CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can have both techs bake my cake and eat it too.
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Of corse you are allowed to like your CRT, I am not trying to make anybody in here buy a digital.
I am just answering to the topic and when stridsvognen and MP say CRT is the superior technology I am disagreeing with that. And even if screenshots are meaningless we have proven that Diddern and I actually take better screenshots of our digitals. And the info we can take from that is close to meaningless, but something is shown in the pictures. And it is not positive for MPīs 300000000mhz Marquee. 
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color. |
How do you know this with you uncalibrated CRT?? Your picture clearly has way to much color in it.
His hair and eyebrows are black in Didderns shot and you see detail, in yours there is a lot of blackcrush.
Didderns JVC is calibrated, but his camera is not and your PC screen is not. If you calibrate your CRT, camera and screen to bt709 you will se what the director inteded Chris Tucker to look like in this movie and I say this movie.
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mp20748
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | m disagreeing with that. And even if screenshots are meaningless we have proven that Diddern and I actually take better screenshots of our digitals. And the info we can take from that is close to meaningless, but something is shown in the pictures. And it is not positive for MPīs 300000000mhz Marquee. |
Neither of us have been saying CRT is superior. It's you and Diddern that keeps saying CRT is old, dead, etc. Now you're trying to make it out like we came over into the Digital forum and insulted you two idiots for owning a JVC.
No, simply because you keep coming in our forum as if we were in a time capsule the past 30 years and you have been giving the opportunity to enlighten us on a new technology. We've been trying to get rid of both of you, because we really don't care which one is best. We've also been trying to tell you we are CRT hobbyist as well, but since we've not been able to get either of your heads out of your butts, we've been having to deal with you both on a daily basic.
Concerning the JVC and my shot in the comparison. The shot was supposed to be about Flesh tones. Case closed
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | m disagreeing with that. And even if screenshots are meaningless we have proven that Diddern and I actually take better screenshots of our digitals. And the info we can take from that is close to meaningless, but something is shown in the pictures. And it is not positive for MPīs 300000000mhz Marquee. |
Neither of us have been saying CRT is superior. It's you and Diddern that keeps saying CRT is old, dead, etc. Now you're trying to make it out like we came over into the Digital forum and insulted you two idiots for owning a JVC.
No, simply because you keep coming in our forum as if we were in a time capsule the past 30 years and you have been giving the opportunity to enlighten us on a new technology. We've been trying to get rid of both of you, because we really don't care which one is best. We've also been trying to tell you we are CRT hobbyist as well, but since we've not been able to get either of your heads out of your butts, we've been having to deal with you both on a daily basic.
Concerning the JVC and my shot in the comparison. The shot was supposed to be about Flesh tones. Case closed |
Look at the topic of this tread one more time please.
Yes, and the flesh tones look much better in the JVC shot, yours is very red and he looks more like an indian.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color. |
How can you know. was you in the sett when filming, my projector is calibrated with Delta E about 0.3-0,5 do not remember and I think that Chris would prefer looking normal and not a fried lobster. If you like Chris to look that way no one is stopping you, When Prossest down to Blu-ray it is Rec 709 and D 65 HDTV standard.
And my camera is not calibrated so I can't get how it looks on screen. And I don't hope that yours do not look like that.
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CSX
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color. |
How can you know. was you in the sett when filming, my projector is calibrated with Delta E about 0.3-0,5 do not remember and I think that Chris would prefer looking normal and not a fried lobster. If you like Chris to look that way no one is stopping you, When Prossest down to Blu-ray it is Rec 709 and D 65 HDTV standard.
And my camera is not calibrated so I can't get how it looks on screen. And I don't hope that yours do not look like that. |
You can stop any day now. It's not like you are going to prove anything, nor win any arguments here.
If that's not obvious by now, you must be denser than diamond.
Accept your projector for what it is. We do ours.
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mp20748
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| Andreas21 wrote: |
How do you know this with you uncalibrated CRT?? Your picture clearly has way to much color in it |
My setup is a direct Blu Ray player into my projector, bwo, and Moome HDMI to RGB converter. The oversaturation you think you're seeing is the result of a higher bandwidth video chain. And if you saw any of these movies in the theaters, the colors would also be more pungent. That is one off the things the studio does to the film or video for Theater. And during the transfer process it will be more colorful if the video chain has the speed to reveal it. There is nothing in my setup that would allow me to ADD colors.
| Quote: | | His hair and eyebrows are black in Didderns shot and you see detail, in yours there is a lot of blackcrush |
How many times do you have be be told that the camera are not really capable of capturing the full IRE window. The digital does better here, because it has a bright low end. And that's also why Chris's eyebrows and hair are not BLACK in Didderns shot
| Quote: | | Didderns JVC is calibrated, but his camera is not and your PC screen is not. If you calibrate your CRT, camera and screen to bt709 you will se what the director inteded Chris Tucker to look like in this movie and I say this movie. |
Dude why don't you just go away and stop coming here with your ridiculous theories on CRT technology. You keep expecting more out of these cameras than they are capable......again, it's perfect on my screen, but the cameras are not good at capturing that. can you please kot this down somewhere, but we're getting really tiered of keep telling you the same thing over and over.
And I thught yesterday was the for camera day..
Go WAY far far away please
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Really? Whats wrong with that pic Kurt?
Athanasios |
If i stand next to a guy whos face look like that from the JVC, ill call a ambulance.
Is it sharp.. hell yeah.. is it natural.. hell no. The color resolution looks like something from a standard CRT machine.
I have a JVC, and i see new Digital projectors whenever possible, if i like one ill buy it.
I would also not go back to a standard CRT projector, but as you say. Some of it is the pleasure of playing with the hardware, and endless options, and as your skills improve, so do the image.
Even a blend with a visible blend zone and all that noise a standard CRT video chain can have is still not as annoying as the overly sharp image with its digital noise.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Really? Whats wrong with that pic Kurt?
Athanasios |
If i stand next to a guy whos face look like that from the JVC, ill call a ambulance.
Is it sharp.. hell yeah.. is it natural.. hell no. The color resolution looks like something from a standard CRT machine.
I have a JVC, and i see new Digital projectors whenever possible, if i like one ill buy it.
I would also not go back to a standard CRT projector, but as you say. Some of it is the pleasure of playing with the hardware, and endless options, and as your skills improve, so do the image.
Even a blend with a visible blend zone and all that noise a standard CRT video chain can have is still not as annoying as the overly sharp image with its digital noise. |
You are so over your head on your statements You should be ashamed.
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
How do you know this with you uncalibrated CRT?? Your picture clearly has way to much color in it |
My setup is a direct Blu Ray player into my projector, bwo, and Moome HDMI to RGB converter. The oversaturation you think you're seeing is the result of a higher bandwidth video chain. And if you saw any of these movies in the theaters, the colors would also be more pungent. That is one off the things the studio does to the film or video for Theater. And during the transfer process it will be more colorful if the video chain has the speed to reveal it. There is nothing in my setup that would allow me to ADD colors.
| Quote: | | His hair and eyebrows are black in Didderns shot and you see detail, in yours there is a lot of blackcrush |
How many times do you have be be told that the camera are not really capable of capturing the full IRE window. The digital does better here, because it has a bright low end. And that's also why Chris's eyebrows and hair are not BLACK in Didderns shot
| Quote: | | Didderns JVC is calibrated, but his camera is not and your PC screen is not. If you calibrate your CRT, camera and screen to bt709 you will se what the director inteded Chris Tucker to look like in this movie and I say this movie. |
Dude why don't you just go away and stop coming here with your ridiculous theories on CRT technology. You keep expecting more out of these cameras than they are capable......again, it's perfect on my screen, but the cameras are not good at capturing that. can you please kot this down somewhere, but we're getting really tiered of keep telling you the same thing over and over.
And I thught yesterday was the for camera day..
Go WAY far far away please |
Everything here you say is incorrect.
Your CRT is not calibrated to the bt709 standard so it can not show a BD as it is meant to. If you like your colors it is up to you, but it is not correct.
The BD is bt709, what was shown it the theatre has nothing to do with it because there the standard is (now it is P3/DCI) and was totally different. I saw this at the movies in the theatre, but I must admit I donīt recall how it looked back in 1997.
The hair and eyebrows have the same black in Didderns as your shot only it has the detail. Your CRT can not show absolute black in this picture due to its very poor ansi/intrascene contrast.
I am not the one posting hundreds of screenshots in this tread to show how my CRT is better. And there is a very easy way to get rid of us, but you donīt have the brains to figure it out. 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| CSX wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color. |
How can you know. was you in the sett when filming, my projector is calibrated with Delta E about 0.3-0,5 do not remember and I think that Chris would prefer looking normal and not a fried lobster. If you like Chris to look that way no one is stopping you, When Prossest down to Blu-ray it is Rec 709 and D 65 HDTV standard.
And my camera is not calibrated so I can't get how it looks on screen. And I don't hope that yours do not look like that. |
You can stop any day now. It's not like you are going to prove anything, nor win any arguments here.
If that's not obvious by now, you must be denser than diamond.
Accept your projector for what it is. We do ours. |
I accept what I see and I have no problem saying it. Tell me what you see when looking at those pictures.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Really? Whats wrong with that pic Kurt?
Athanasios |
If i stand next to a guy whos face look like that from the JVC, ill call a ambulance.
Is it sharp.. hell yeah.. is it natural.. hell no. The color resolution looks like something from a standard CRT machine.
I have a JVC, and i see new Digital projectors whenever possible, if i like one ill buy it.
I would also not go back to a standard CRT projector, but as you say. Some of it is the pleasure of playing with the hardware, and endless options, and as your skills improve, so do the image.
Even a blend with a visible blend zone and all that noise a standard CRT video chain can have is still not as annoying as the overly sharp image with its digital noise. |
I donīt think you know what color resolution is.
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CSX
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | CSX wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | Hey Diddern, shouldn't his hair and eyebrows be BLACK. As well, the subject for those shots were "Flesh tones"
Do you know what Flesh tones are, and that Chris Tucker's flesh tones, eyebrows and hair color is not accurate in your shot.
He is an entirely different complexion in your shot from his natural skin skin color. |
How can you know. was you in the sett when filming, my projector is calibrated with Delta E about 0.3-0,5 do not remember and I think that Chris would prefer looking normal and not a fried lobster. If you like Chris to look that way no one is stopping you, When Prossest down to Blu-ray it is Rec 709 and D 65 HDTV standard.
And my camera is not calibrated so I can't get how it looks on screen. And I don't hope that yours do not look like that. |
You can stop any day now. It's not like you are going to prove anything, nor win any arguments here.
If that's not obvious by now, you must be denser than diamond.
Accept your projector for what it is. We do ours. |
I accept what I see and I have no problem saying it. Tell me what you see when looking at those pictures. |
I hate to follow the bait, but here you go.
You want it, you get it.
What do I see when looking at those pictures?
Digital: Cold, sterile, sharp, unnatural.
CRT: Ridiculous color depth, good black representation, not so sharp, warm, more realistic image conveyance.
It's harder to really grasp the sharpness on CRT however over photos, so it's loosely interpreted.
I know for the fact that what I see on screen, I can really never take a picture that looks as good as what I get to see...
There is seems to be a "loss" of non critical detail, but critical detail exists enough in a capacity for one to see it and enjoy it at higher resolutions on CRT. I have been absolutely dazzled by what I get to witness on CRT projection, and my configuration isn't even remotely fine tuned or dialed in like Mike's or probably most setups around here.
Side note:
I'm also interested in seeing how well the JVC image panels hold up over time.
My Samsung UHD tv used to look pretty good when it was first new. The blacks are now nearly purples.
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