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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Stridsvognen
Some answers.
We never seen any hint of proof that Greg ever improved the bandwidth.
We have tried to let him proove this but it's just words.
You did post quite a lot about that testing, and other than a lot of problems, a 909 turning into a 808 and stuff like that, it was totally unprofessional, and can only be seen a attempt to get CRT looks bad. This is not true Greg promised the user that it would be better than a vw1000 that's the start of this topic.
So do not blame me.
If you want to prove me wrong, just post a bandwidth test of that moddet CRT resolving a 200Mhz signal without peaking or other distortion.
You have asked Greg that question did you get it? No!!!
We still miss to see a 720P 60 hz resolved decent on a Barco.
That is something I don't care about because it's 2015 and now it's blueray and soon 4K
That dont mean it has no quality, and no one like it for what it is, it just wont resolve a HD source.
.....This is your words I have saied all the time a CRT look god when not comparing.
And claiming that bandwidth dont do much difference.... It does a difference but not enough to beat in any way a god digital 2015
Is it possible that you have never seen a CRT able to resolve 148Mhz.? one of the mods had 180Mhz and I think the last one was much higher.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | Now, since your purpose here is to convince us of how much better the JVC is over the CRT. So far, you've only shown me how much sharper it is, but what you yourself was not expecting, is that you'll also be showing how flat the image is, and how un-natural it looks.
Oh, but wait until get to Flesh Tones.. I can tell you now, you're going to get pissed at me, because you've never seen what a 1080P CRT projector does with colors and the range of colors.
Would I want an X500 - Hell No |
Then bring up a picture of correct flesh tone.
I have seen it and it looks good yes, but when turning on a great digital it's what happend to the CRT every time.
Have you seen a CRT with fully new 1080P certified tubes and modes I have.
And it's a fantastic CRT. And to have that back then when I had CRT would have been fantastic.
But do not lecture me, and what you choose is your pic not mine.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I do not own a CRT anymore.
So I can't post pictures. And if I had I post it at a CRT forum, not a forum that clames better than a top vw1000 sony 4K
If you want to discuss this with me send me a PM and I call you. |
We are talking about you claiming to have experience with a high bandwidth CRT projector.. But you never had one, or have never seen one.. But you still keep claiming the difference is not very big.. How can you claim stuff like that. |
I have not experience on that, but I can only say what I saw after seeing different mods.
How difficult is that to accept?
It is a difference, but up to a digital very far away.
Is this so hard to understand?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I do not own a CRT anymore.
So I can't post pictures. And if I had I post it at a CRT forum, not a forum that clames better than a top vw1000 sony 4K
If you want to discuss this with me send me a PM and I call you. |
We are talking about you claiming to have experience with a high bandwidth CRT projector.. But you never had one, or have never seen one.. But you still keep claiming the difference is not very big.. How can you claim stuff like that. |
I have not experience on that, but I can only say what I saw after seeing different mods.
How difficult is that to accept?
It is a difference, but up to a digital very far away.
Is this so hard to understand? |
How can you then comment on a difference when you have only seen a 80Mhz projector.?
Is a 720P and a 1080P digital machine looking almost the same.?
You keep commenting on a difference you never experienced.
And to know you should run 2 projectors side by side right.?
Did you have a identical CRT projector setup to see what difference the mods did ?
If i remember right the test was with a Barco 808 with some AC lenses on right.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Stridsvognen after your statements here on this forum, do I understand correct that the only CRT that gives a god picture in 1080P is a modded marquee9500 lc?
Since I have only side by side tested 808,909 and cine9 I have not seen a desent CRT?
If that is true and you standby that that the only crt that gives a decent Picture, and that body Barco is just flat and booring. And can Not compete with your marquee with mod. invite me I promice to take the trip. And I bet that Andreas comes with me also. Just to see.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="stridsvognen"] | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I do not own a CRT anymore.
So I can't post pictures. And if I had I post it at a CRT forum, not a forum that clames better than a top vw1000 sony 4K
If you want to discuss this with me send me a PM and I call you. |
I have not experience on that, but I can only say what I saw after seeing different mods.
How difficult is that to accept?
It is a difference, but up to a digital very far away.
Is this so hard to understand? |
How can you then comment on a difference when you have only seen a 80Mhz projector.?
Is a 720P and a 1080P digital machine looking almost the same.?
You keep commenting on a difference you never experienced.
And to know you should run 2 projectors side by side right.?
Did you have a identical CRT projector setup to see what difference the mods did ?
If i remember right the test was with a Barco 808 with some AC lenses on right.? |
Send me a pm with your phone nr and invite me to Denmark. We can talk and you get all your answers.
And I can see.
After what I can remember I have always preferred a barco. Marquee was not a option then.
And I have seen them all then barco. And I have seen a marquee 8500 I think it was, but far from correct adjusted, that's why I cant Say that I have seen a perfect marquee but I want to. But I only know people with barco here in Norway.
So again you have now 10 marquees 9500 lc don't you? So you can test this easy.
What would have been a fine new topic is marquee9500 lc with mod vs a 909 or cine 9 with mod.
Like I feel I think that the barco 909 will do just as good as a marquee but I don't know. Do you?
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thewolfman
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
You dont need a VP to get the colors right, actuallyv you will get the best result if you find out how to use the adjustments in your projector, and get your source setup right.
If you think its dificoult to calibrate a CRT, then you for sure will never find out how to use the CMS in a Lumagen.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
You dont need a VP to get the colors right, actuallyv you will get the best result if you find out how to use the adjustments in your projector, and get your source setup right.
If you think its dificoult to calibrate a CRT, then you for sure will never find out how to use the CMS in a Lumagen. |
Not much else to do but to wait it out and see if I can solve it by myself.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
To do this with your eye is impossible, but you can find something you like, but not reference.
Try to reset your 6500K and CMS in that Marquee Ps do not know the menu on a Marquee..... Do you have color filters in it?
Try to reset and take a new picture, same.
What is done with your Marquee? because your CRT look than all the others here, if I forget colors.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
You dont need a VP to get the colors right, actuallyv you will get the best result if you find out how to use the adjustments in your projector, and get your source setup right.
If you think its dificoult to calibrate a CRT, then you for sure will never find out how to use the CMS in a Lumagen. |
Correct finally we agree on something 
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
To do this with your eye is impossible, but you can find something you like, but not reference.
Try to reset your 6500K and CMS in that Marquee Ps do not know the menu on a Marquee..... Do you have color filters in it?
Try to reset and take a new picture, same.
What is done with your Marquee? because your CRT look than all the others here, if I forget colors. |
No red c-element but a red gel filter.
And it doesn't have a CMS but usually go with making the colors to be equally in the middle with a disc that I have. I havenät done so now but have messed with them quite a bit. Will look into it tonight.
What has been done to it? Frankenyokes and HFQ900 lenses only. I'm waiting for the mods to get here and then we'll see how my images will look like.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | A little something something for the Digitals to think about. |
Your pictures look fine, but seriously fix your colors before posting the picture.
It can also be your camera but I doubt that.
Wolfman your crt with corrected cms and greyscale will look very good.
And just answering back, what does the digital need to think about ?
Definitely not a CRT, but maybe laser. |
I was just kidding.
But yeah, I'll give the colors another another go (again) but think that a VP is the next step for me, only they're too darn expensive I'm afraid. |
To do this with your eye is impossible, but you can find something you like, but not reference.
Try to reset your 6500K and CMS in that Marquee Ps do not know the menu on a Marquee..... Do you have color filters in it?
Try to reset and take a new picture, same.
What is done with your Marquee? because your CRT look than all the others here, if I forget colors. |
No red c-element but a red gel filter.
And it doesn't have a CMS but usually go with making the colors to be equally in the middle with a disc that I have. I havenät done so now but have messed with them quite a bit. Will look into it tonight.
What has been done to it? Frankenyokes and HFQ900 lenses only. I'm waiting for the mods to get here and then we'll see how my images will look like. |
Think it will be very good.
I just like to see this nec pattern image at a close up before and after mod. Can you fix that.
Then really Close, So take one now, and make shore to use the same settings on camera when taking the same with mod write it down. 
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Diddern
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:37 am Post subject: |
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We all know hot the NEC pattern look like, and its a very bright pattern WHO will always look washed out on a crt.
Remember we know the limitations of our crt projectors, they are not all perfect, but they have some positive sides that makes the movie look more natural and appealing, despite the ansi and MTF.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: |
We all know hot the NEC pattern look like, and its a very bright pattern WHO will always look washed out on a crt.
Remember we know the limitations of our crt projectors, they are not all perfect, but they have some positive sides that makes the movie look more natural and appealing, despite the ansi and MTF. |
No, I don´t think you know the limitations of your CRT projectors, if you did you would never go this far. Because ansi and MTF is just two of the very veak points of CRT and there are many many more. 
There is no such thing as a perfect projector and the X500 is far from it, but I am afraid it is much closer than any CRT even a 30000000000000mhz modifyed one. 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: |
We all know hot the NEC pattern look like, and its a very bright pattern WHO will always look washed out on a crt.
Remember we know the limitations of our crt projectors, they are not all perfect, but they have some positive sides that makes the movie look more natural and appealing, despite the ansi and MTF. |
I only want to see difference with mod and without.
Nothing more.
I just wonder if something happens with sharpness and how it define black and white.
With or without mod.
I know all positive and negative things about CRT.
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mp20748
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | Because ansi and MTF is just two of the very veak points of CRT and there are many many more. |
They are weak points from your perspective, but irrelevant where bandwidth and speed is the critical factor. But of course, you're still going by the ansi and MTF of the measured CRT projectors you may have experienced.
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