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| mp20748 wrote: | | Or do you prefer I use Diddern's Shot? |
I will answer when I see your picture.
Here is one from my uncalibrated Sony HW55. Not edited only resized, if you look close you can se the pixelstructure. 
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mp20748
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OK, but since i don't have that Blu Ray, what other would you prefer. And hopefully I'll have it
| Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Or do you prefer I use Diddern's Shot? |
I will answer when I see your picture.
Here is one from my uncalibrated Sony HW55. Not edited only resized, if you look close you can se the pixelstructure. |
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Andreas21
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I prefer this as we now have several different projectors shots of it now. And the one I did of my HW55 will do. I can wait for you to buy the copy,
| mp20748 wrote: | OK, but since i don't have that Blu Ray, what other would you prefer. And hopefully I'll have it
| Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Or do you prefer I use Diddern's Shot? |
I will answer when I see your picture.
Here is one from my uncalibrated Sony HW55. Not edited only resized, if you look close you can se the pixelstructure. |
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mp20748
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is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi |
Does it matter, this is to show detail like stridsvognen tried to do when he zoomen in on our alrady downsized shots.
I think the lanscape is natural, but of corse the spaceship is CGI. And it is filmed in 5K with the Red Epic digital camera, and 3Ality Technica Atom 3D Rig, 3ality Technica - SIP (Stereoscopic Image Processor).
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Diddern
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I also wait for the picture, so far we have shown the total opposite of all you here can provide with proof that MTF, ansicontrast, intrascene contrast, debtg, details, shadow detail, sharpness, clairness will be better on a god digital.
So show us the 3000000 MHz bandwitch.
It won't help much. I wait for the picture.
Everything Andreas and I have told you here are 100% correct. Now you guys show us
How much better it can be. And so far the best crt on this thred is Clair not from MP.
I have proved the point and wait for me MP. Bring it on.
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mp20748
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi |
Does it matter, this is to show detail like stridsvognen tried to do when he zoomen in on our alrady downsized shots.
I think the lanscape is natural, but of corse the spaceship is CGI. And it is filmed in 5K with the Red Epic digital camera, and 3Ality Technica Atom 3D Rig, 3ality Technica - SIP (Stereoscopic Image Processor). |
Yes, it does matter. It makes no sense to try and capture an CGI image in a scene.
Plus it's a stereoscopic camera system.
There are two of the worse case reasons to not do a screenshot. I could go into the details, but you might not understand or agree. And now I understand why that image looks the way it does. And that's why I asked the question.
It MUST be NON 3D,and IT must also be an natural (analog) object or scene.
Here's a hint. Remember why I told you I posted the Car (CGI)
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Diddern
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi |
Does it matter, this is to show detail like stridsvognen tried to do when he zoomen in on our alrady downsized shots.
I think the lanscape is natural, but of corse the spaceship is CGI. And it is filmed in 5K with the Red Epic digital camera, and 3Ality Technica Atom 3D Rig, 3ality Technica - SIP (Stereoscopic Image Processor). |
Yes, it does matter. It makes no sense to try and capture an CGI image in a scene.
Plus it's a stereoscopic camera system.
There are two of the worse case reasons to not do a screenshot. I could go into the details, but you might not understand or agree. And now I understand why that image looks the way it does. And that's why I asked the question.
It MUST be NON 3D,and IT must also be an natural (analog) object or scene.
Here's a hint. Remember why I told you I posted the Car (CGI) |
So you say that a CRT will look flat and non detailed in films like this? Just as in all animated films.
By zooming in pictures in real you will see how tragic a CRT looks compared. And this will even be more visible in a side by side test. And if you guys think that a jvc X500 will be behind in black level think again. Only perhaps tiny better at 0ire.
But if adjusted to show video level 16-235 correct without black crush it does not look good at all compared. And the CRT does not shut down completely. At least on a 909 or cine9.
Give it a break and show us the fabulous CRT.
I know the results. I have done several tests and every time the CRT s look flat and boring when comparing side by side.
You can't manage to get it better than a digital in any way at all.
But again show me the picture. On off contrast is not all.
You need the rest..
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi |
Does it matter, this is to show detail like stridsvognen tried to do when he zoomen in on our alrady downsized shots.
I think the lanscape is natural, but of corse the spaceship is CGI. And it is filmed in 5K with the Red Epic digital camera, and 3Ality Technica Atom 3D Rig, 3ality Technica - SIP (Stereoscopic Image Processor). |
Yes, it does matter. It makes no sense to try and capture an CGI image in a scene.
Plus it's a stereoscopic camera system.
There are two of the worse case reasons to not do a screenshot. I could go into the details, but you might not understand or agree. And now I understand why that image looks the way it does. And that's why I asked the question.
It MUST be NON 3D,and IT must also be an natural (analog) object or scene.
Here's a hint. Remember why I told you I posted the Car (CGI) |
This is bull, but yes please enlighten me.
This is the 2D version of the film, and the landscape is natural, but filmed with a digital camera.
Why does it have to be an analog object or scene?? Why do you post images of animated films then, because they are analogue??
This is just an excuse because you know your CRT will not be able to show this picure in a good way.
I canīt stop laughing! 
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Diddern
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Just a reminder and for all with CRT to check
DONT WORRY BE HAPPY
STRIDSVOGNEN LET ME SEE YOUR PJ YOU ARE A BANDWITCH FREAK MUST BE BETTER THAN THS CRT 
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This is an important message to all projector owners who likes to take screenshots and post them on forums to proove how amazing blacklevels their projectors have.
It is not allowed to take pictures of 3D movies even if it is the 2D version, and not to forget the source has to be analogue! This is non negotiable!
Please help me stop laughing!
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Just a sample of why im not jumping around shooting screen shots, im a terrible camera man, and have a lot of work to do to this Marquee standing here.
But ill try get it done soon, and find out how to use the camera.
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Diddern
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | is this a CGI background, or is it a natural scene from a film based movie
Or it is CGI Sci-fi |
Does it matter, this is to show detail like stridsvognen tried to do when he zoomen in on our alrady downsized shots.
I think the lanscape is natural, but of corse the spaceship is CGI. And it is filmed in 5K with the Red Epic digital camera, and 3Ality Technica Atom 3D Rig, 3ality Technica - SIP (Stereoscopic Image Processor). |
Yes, it does matter. It makes no sense to try and capture an CGI image in a scene.
Plus it's a stereoscopic camera system.
There are two of the worse case reasons to not do a screenshot. I could go into the details, but you might not understand or agree. And now I understand why that image looks the way it does. And that's why I asked the question.
It MUST be NON 3D,and IT must also be an natural (analog) object or scene.
Here's a hint. Remember why I told you I posted the Car (CGI) |
ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT LAL LA LA LA LA
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Just a sample of why im not jumping around shooting screen shots, im a terrible camera man, and have a lot of work to do to this Marquee standing here.
But ill try get it done soon, and find out how to use the camera. |
When are you going to finish working on your Marquee? You said the same 1.5 years ago also when we had the same idiotic discussion with a slightly different topic.
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Just a sample of why im not jumping around shooting screen shots, im a terrible camera man, and have a lot of work to do to this Marquee standing here.
But ill try get it done soon, and find out how to use the camera. |
YOU MANAGE TO ADJUST A CRT BUT NOT HANDLE A CAMERA?
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Diddern
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| Andreas21 wrote: | This is an important message to all projector owners who likes to take screenshots an post them on forums to proove how amazing blacklevels their projectors have.
It is not allowed to take pictures of 3D movies even if it is the 2D version, and not to forget the source has to be analogue! This is non negotiable!
Please help me stop laughing! |
Hehehehe
This is getting more and more funny.
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mp20748
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This is bull, but yes please enlighten me.
This is the 2D version of the film, and the landscape is natural, but filmed with a digital camera.
Why does it have to be an analog object or scene?? Why do you post images of animated films then, because they are analogue??
This is just an excuse because you know your CRT will not be able to show this picure in a good way.
I canīt stop laughing! |
It's real simple, pick an scene from any movie (hopefully I have) that's NOT 3D and is also NOT CGI.
I know more about CGI and 3D on display screens than you can imagine. I've worked on Stereoscopic and Immeresive technology display system for years. Some as wide as 40 feet. So I understand a lot about the rendering and texturing involved when a system has to enlarge an image on a screen. CGI is super imposed on/into an image, and makes for a terrible object when projected. It can be done right, but the computing power necessary for that to happen is not likely being used for objects that's not central to the image.
Here you go. Pop in King Kong and look at the ape up close (sharp). Then go to a scene when the ape is in the background or at a distance...
And please direct me to the location on the disk where that ape can be seen clear at a distance....ain't gonna happen, though it will look better on a digtal
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You guys say you can see the blacklevel of a projector by looking at screenshots, how do you explain the HW55 and X500. The X500 has about 10 times lower blacklevel than the HW55, but on the screenshot it looks about the same.
Please explain this to me?
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mp20748
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Here's how we're going to do this. You start first. You pick the movie, then I pick a movie. If you can't come up with something reasonable, I get to pick first.
No CGI or 3D...
What's wrong with natural stuff?
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Andreas21
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
This is bull, but yes please enlighten me.
This is the 2D version of the film, and the landscape is natural, but filmed with a digital camera.
Why does it have to be an analog object or scene?? Why do you post images of animated films then, because they are analogue??
This is just an excuse because you know your CRT will not be able to show this picure in a good way.
I canīt stop laughing! |
It's real simple, pick an scene from any movie (hopefully I have) that's NOT 3D and is also NOT CGI.
I know more about CGI and 3D on display screens than you can imagine. I've worked on Stereoscopic and Immeresive technology display system for years. Some as wide as 40 feet. So I understand a lot about the rendering and texturing involved when a system has to enlarge an image on a screen. CGI is super imposed on/into an image, and makes for a terrible object when projected. It can be done right, but the computing power necessary for that to happen is not likely being used for objects that's not central to the image.
Here you go. Pop in King Kong and look at the ape up close (sharp). Then go to a scene when the ape is in the background or at a distance...
And please direct me to the location on the disk where that ape can be seen clear at a distance....ain't gonna happen, though it will look better on a digtal |
And the Ape in King Kong is not CGI???
Iīm cracking up!!
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