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| redfox001 wrote: | My God on the digital section someone who bought a x500 says the blacklevel is worse than barco 701!!! No a decent 9 inch is far better than a 701 so these blacks must be absolutely terrible 
Also in the screenshots look at the lack of detail in the face when you zoom. The crt has more resolution somehow the digital throw information away and cant reproduce it. You see all kinds of strange spicks in the fase apearing.
Don't fall for the marketing boys with the flat lifeless boring pics. |
Then I say that someone is Stevie Wonder.
And no they are not but believe what you think.
And about the shots, do not need to say more.
They speak for themselves.
And you can say what you want😉
Have a god weekend.
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Curt Palme
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Have a god weekend. |
Yes, you called?
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Seems the eshift make the blacks even worse
I need to puke! How can someone life with those grey blacks??? 
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Andreas21
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| redfox001 wrote: | Seems the eshift make the blacks even worse
I need to puke! How can someone life with those grey blacks??? |
E-Shift 3 does not affect ansi contrast, that was e-shift 1. And it only affected ansi contrast not on/off contrast. The latest models measure around 350-400:1 in Ansi contrast and that is much higher than any CRT that maxes out at around 100:1 if you are lucky. And the on/off of the latest JVC models is from 30000-100000:1 depending on the model, with the DI on they measure around 350000:1, what CRT can match that? And you say the CRT has better resolution look at the CARS picture again, it is easy to see the JVC totally destroys the CRT there also. 
How can you judge the blacklevels from these screenshots??
And a 701 with better blacks than a X500 is very far from the thruth. If it has there is something wrong with the JVC or it is setup wrong.
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I will post them again just as a reminder. 
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Yeah compare blacklevels on screenshots  does the word moron sound familliar to you?
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Yeah compare blacklevels on screenshots does the word moron sound familliar to you? |
You guys rely so much on screenshot that I thought you might belive it. And you commented on the gray blacklevels.
If you read my earlier posts about screenshots I think screenshots is a very poor comparison and you can make a 720p DLP with poor blacklevels look as dark as a CRT. So I donīt think you can judge blacklevels from a screenshot. But you hit the bait and came up with talking sh*t to me and I really appreciate it.
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What you can judge by a screenshot is actually not much with the highly compressed pictures you must post on this site. But it is easy to see the JVC is superior to Mikes CRT.
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If you look at the black tires and black parts in the Cars picture I posted you can clearly see the blacks is better than Mikes CRT |
almost any digital would make what you described with the tires look black. But the real test isn't that kind of black, or that the tire looks really black. The test is being able to see the tire as being black and at the same time see the detail in the tires black, or be able to almost make out the material (rubber).
So in a fair comparison to what my projector will do, you need a dark setting where there are various ranges of black, and be able to see the detail in the actual black. while at the same time, be able to visibly see all and everything dark in the image and also make out or be able to see the distinct texture.
Here work with these from Apocalypto... and I want you to just imagine what it may look like on my screen.
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
If you look at the black tires and black parts in the Cars picture I posted you can clearly see the blacks is better than Mikes CRT |
almost any digital would make what you described with the tires look black. But the real test isn't that kind of black, or that the tire looks really black. The test is being able to see the tire as being black and at the same time see the detail in the tires black, or be able to almost make out the material (rubber).
So in a fair comparison to what my projector will do, you need a dark setting where there are various ranges of black, and be able to see the detail in the actual black. while at the same time, be able to visibly see all and everything dark in the image and also make out or be able to see the distinct texture.
Here work with these from Apocalypto... and I want you to just imagine what it may look like on my screen.
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So you donīt value intrascene contrast. The JVC has no problem in showing the detail in Apocalypto and with deeper blacks due to much higher intrascene contrast. There is a lot of black crush in all there pictures.
After seeing all you picture I am very sure your setup will not wipe the floor with many of the larest digitals I have owned.
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | What you can judge by a screenshot is actually not much with the highly compressed pictures you must post on this site. But it is easy to see the JVC is superior to Mikes CRT. |
That is a contradiction in the same sentence
But do not worrie I will not tell anyone why you are so interested in crt As a matter of fact I would be to with worse than 701 blacks...
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | Yeah compare blacklevels on screenshots does the word moron sound familliar to you? |
You guys rely so much on screenshot that I thought you might belive it. And you commented on the gray blacklevels. |
Yeah, but who was it that requested the shots?
Also, why did you even bother doing the comparison if you felt such way about screenshots?
Plus, you've been very careful to actually get your 500 involved, and that's why you've been dodging saying what projector was used.
And please stop your baseless ridiculing, and stop pointing your pea gun at a fully equipped and loaded infantry division
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | What you can judge by a screenshot is actually not much with the highly compressed pictures you must post on this site. But it is easy to see the JVC is superior to Mikes CRT. |
That is a contradiction in the same sentence
But do not worrie I will not tell anyone why you are so interested in crt As a matter of fact I would be to with worse than 701 blacks... |
You are talking against yourself all the time as you judged the e-shift made the blacks worse. How do you know if I activated e-shift with these screenshots, and as I told you e-Shift 3 does not affect ansi contrast. And what I say is that you can not judge much from screenshot, but it is easy to see my JVC is better than Mikes Marquee.
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | it is easy to see my JVC is better than Mikes Marquee. |
I see you also got a little comedian in you...that is really funny
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | Yeah compare blacklevels on screenshots does the word moron sound familliar to you? |
You guys rely so much on screenshot that I thought you might belive it. And you commented on the gray blacklevels. |
Yeah, but who was it that requested the shots?
Also, why did you even bother doing the comparison if you felt such way about screenshots?
Plus, you've been very careful to actually get your 500 involved, and that's why you've been dodging saying what projector was used.
And please stop your baseless ridiculing, and stop pointing your pea gun at a fully equipped and loaded infantry division |
I did announce I wold post screenshots of my X500 and I only avoided to answer just to piss you off, but if you read my post earlier I clearly announced I would post pictures of the X500 as I have sold my VW1100.
You have not showed me anything that has impressed me and my pea gun can be really powerful with the right ammunition...
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | it is easy to see my JVC is better than Mikes Marquee. |
I see you also got a little comedian in you...that is really funny |
So you think your CRT looks better with the Cars and Tinkerbell pictures? I think you need to stop this stand up show.
Your Apocalypto picture look really bad and I know the JVC easily looks better.
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Here are the pictures again and please Mike tell mel where your CRT looks better??
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I did announce I wold post screenshots of my X500 and I only avoided to answer just to piss you off, but if you read my post earlier I clearly announced I would post pictures of the X500 as I have sold my VW1100 |
I think it was a good idea to sell that VW1000. Too bad, the person that bought it, does not know that it was a terrible idea to design an almost native rate 4K digital projector, that scales the image UP almost four times from 1080P native.
Yes, it took some real geniuses to purchase 4K projectors when there is no active 4K source, and then without understanding anything about what they owned, mention it on this forum and Preach, It's Better than CRT.....ROTF..LOL
| Quote: | | You have not showed me anything that has impressed me and my pea gun can be really powerful with the right ammunition... |
It's a combination of you not knowing what to look for and not having a reference on hand, and that's why you and your side kick have been talking about "sharpness" for the past few days. We've already gave you the sharpness edge...
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
I did announce I wold post screenshots of my X500 and I only avoided to answer just to piss you off, but if you read my post earlier I clearly announced I would post pictures of the X500 as I have sold my VW1100 |
I think it was a good idea to sell that VW1000. Too bad, the sucka that bought it, does not know that it was a terrible idea to design an almost native rate 4K digital projector, that scales the image UP almost four times from 1080P nature.
Yes, it took some real geniuses to purchase 4K projectors when there is no active 4K source, and then without understanding anything about what you own, mention it on this forum and Preach, It's Better than CRT.....ROTF..LOL
| Quote: | | You have not showed me anything that has impressed me and my pea gun can be really powerful with the right ammunition... |
It's a combination of you not knowing what to look for and not having a reference in mind, and that's why you and your side kick have been talking about "sharpness" for the past few days. We've already gave you the sharpness edge... |
I have not only talked about sharpness, to me there is many things that is even as important. On/off contrast, ansi/intrascene contrast, clarity, sharpness, brightness, total blacklevel, colors+++ All this makes up a good picture and I like a dynamic picture with depth, details, sharpness without edge enhancement, around 16fl brightness and good details in black and deep blacklevels. My X500 is calibrated at 2.35 power gamma and of corse D65 and rec 709. In all this the X500 is superior. The only thing a CRT is better at is 0IRE (not by much) and motion resolution and with 24hz material the difference is not big.
And even if screenshots are stupid I see the JVC being superior in every way. And you need to tell me what you see with your expert eyes.
And I know what to look for, but I am loosing my faith in you knowing what to look for.
And with your statements about the VW1100 you clearly show you donīt know what you are talking about.
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I see the JVC being superior in every way
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You See... meaning it's your opinion, but what are you basing it on....what experience do you have with any CRT in comparison. not to mention anything I've worked on.
Do you own a Crystal Ball?
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And with your statements about the VW1100 you clearly show you donīt know what you are talking about.
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Really!!!
So owning a 4K projector, when 4K material doesn't exist, makes you an expert, and makes me an idiot because I think owning a very costly technology that you can't enjoy it's full benefits makes no sense to me....and for the most part, it seems that everyone thinks 4K is a long ways from happening.
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