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Nashou66
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Who cares about artificial sharpness that digital gives!!! I like a film like image. I dont even like new movies at theaters that aren't shot in Film. Digital's are so artificially sharp they look fake. I prefer the softer CRT look and there is something else about it I can't put my finger on. That is why I prefer my CRT theater over the new digital theaters, they look fake to me.
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Diddern
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| ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Hehe it is very soft compared to a god digital trust me,even if you adjust in the next 10 years.
And trust me sharpness is only one part of impotence in total.
About one part...
This is because of the way Crt show the picture then in progressive 720P, 1080P
A Crt is made with lines and then for interlaced material back then.
And a Crt will not manage MTF like a progressive machine today then 1080P or 4K.
A Crt does not even show MTF in 720P perfect and not in 480P.
Then because of the scan lines.
And with Crt today there is not just sharpness but every other aspect in the picture.
But this you will understand if you get a god digital today.
The Sony you have is from the stone age compared to today sorry but fact.
But that is the best for you because you still have the cine9.
This is also why I want to see Greg Eisemanns new mod because he clames that mtf will be 30-50% better.
If that is true you will see much better visible clarity and see hd material visible sharper without artifacts.
But like it's now I am right. And also Andreas, if you or other like it or not.
But does that matter no. Because Crt is a hobby and you love it.
What's the problem that it's not better?
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Andreas21
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Who cares about artificial sharpness that digital gives!!! I like a film like image. I dont even like new movies at theaters that aren't shot in Film. Digital's are so artificially sharp they look fake. I prefer the softer CRT look and there is something else about it I can't put my finger on. That is why I prefer my CRT theater over the new digital theaters, they look fake to me.
Nashou |
I respect that you feel this its your feeling and not mine.
But I agree that I like more cinema with a jvcx500 or a Sony vw1100 at home than going to cinema.
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Diddern
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
I have seen more stupid hehe look at the topic on this forum lol.
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Andreas21
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Who cares about artificial sharpness that digital gives!!! I like a film like image. I dont even like new movies at theaters that aren't shot in Film. Digital's are so artificially sharp they look fake. I prefer the softer CRT look and there is something else about it I can't put my finger on. That is why I prefer my CRT theater over the new digital theaters, they look fake to me.
Nashou |
A film like image does not have to be soft.
If you set up a JVC X500/700/900 or a Sony VW1100 correct (very easy) it can be very filmlike without any artificial sharpness. On a 3m wide screen it is almost impossible to see any pixels on the VW1100 with itīs 4K resolution, the same goes with the X500 with e-shift enabled. The JVC actually gets a little softer with e-shift enabled and I use e-shift on mine.
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macgyver655
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
Well that is how you have to respond to stupid people.
You know, the funniest thing I read here today is when your boy claimed he found a golden nickle with the pixel structure in an image. I laughed and laughed and laughed. Then i saw his daddy(you) come in and support his findings. And again, I laughed and laughed and laughed.
You see, when you take a "picture" with a "digital' camera, what does that "image" become, hmmmmm?
That's right mr. smart guy, "digital.
So any projectors image, be it analog or digital "BECOMES" digital when taken with a digital camera.
And here is another tid bit for you. A digital image of an analog image always looks worse then in real life because of the digitizing process. This is why you constantly here CRTers say "but the image looks better in person". That is because the digital camera makes an analog image look worse but that camera can make a digital image look better or the same but usually not worse.
SO, if a side by side screen shot of an CRT and digital looks the same then you can bet a dollar to a donut the CRT looks far superior in real life.
So there's a golden nickle for ya, LOL.
Do you feel better now?
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Jeremy112
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
So it's stupid to take advice from someone in the field such as mac who fixes digital & CRT projectors for a living and KNOWS what the picture quality of each machine is capable of?
I guess I shouldn't be taking any of my own experience in servicing projectors to heart either, clearly though those who work on them day in and day out have no clue what they are talking about 
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
I have seen more stupid hehe look at the topic on this forum lol. |
Are you going to start crying again? 
I can send you some tissues if you like.
Ask daddy for a lolly pop and maybe you will feel better.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
Well that is how you have to respond to stupid people.
You know, the funniest thing I read here today is when your boy claimed he found a golden nickle with the pixel structure in an image. I laughed and laughed and laughed. Then i saw his daddy(you) come in and support his findings. And again, I laughed and laughed and laughed.
You see, when you take a "picture" with a "digital' camera, what does that "image" become, hmmmmm?
That's right mr. smart guy, "digital.
So any projectors image, be it analog or digital "BECOMES" digital when taken with a digital camera.
And here is another tid bit for you. A digital image of an analog image always looks worse then in real life because of the digitizing process. This is why you constantly here CRTers say "but the image looks better in person". That is because the digital camera makes an analog image look worse but that camera can make a digital image look better or the same but usually not worse.
SO, if a side by side screen shot of an CRT and digital looks the same then you can bet a dollar to a donut the CRT looks far superior in real life.
So there's a golden nickle for ya, LOL.
Do you feel better now? |
If you see what I wrote earlier I admit it is digital compession artifacts.
I can assure you I have been testing different projectors for years now and I know what I am doing and CRT has never been in my interest until some guys a couple of years ago said a good CRT blows any digital away when it comes to imagequality.
When I compare projectors I donīt use screenshots, I compare them side by side so you can clearly and under the right circumstances see the differences. And I have seen a couple of correctly set up CRTīs (including a Barco 909) side by side with a Sony VW1000 and a JVC X500 and the CRT has nothing it can show compared to these digitals other than showing 0 IRE and motionresolution.
So there is a golden nickle for you! LOL
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Andreas21
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
I have seen more stupid hehe look at the topic on this forum lol. |
Are you going to start crying again?
I can send you some tissues if you like.
Ask daddy for a lolly pop and maybe you will feel better. |
I must say you are the most immature person so far in this forum. And you are a serious person fixing projectors for a living... LOL
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Andreas21
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question...
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice. |
This was the most stupid post I have ever read in any forum. |
I have seen more stupid hehe look at the topic on this forum lol. |
Are you going to start crying again?
I can send you some tissues if you like.
Ask daddy for a lolly pop and maybe you will feel better. |
Lol send me a tissue not that I crying, but you are way better than a joke.
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Nashou66
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| Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Who cares about artificial sharpness that digital gives!!! I like a film like image. I dont even like new movies at theaters that aren't shot in Film. Digital's are so artificially sharp they look fake. I prefer the softer CRT look and there is something else about it I can't put my finger on. That is why I prefer my CRT theater over the new digital theaters, they look fake to me.
Nashou |
I respect that you feel this its your feeling and not mine.
But I agree that I like more cinema with a jvcx500 or a Sony vw1100 at home than going to cinema. |
Then why the f*ck do you keep coming here to start sh*t dick wad?
If its what we like and we like it better then let us be !!!!!!
Stay away.
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[quote="Andreas21"] | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question...[/quote
Answer FAAAAAAR from
Here is some fact
This is because of the way Crt show the picture then in all progressive modes 720P, 1080P
A Crt is made with lines and then for interlaced material back then.
And a Crt will not manage MTF like a progressive machine today then 1080P or 4K.
A Crt does not even show MTF in 720P perfect and not in 480P.
Then because of the scan lines and not pixels.
And this is one part why picture gets soft with today's change to pixels or long time ago 😉
MTF on a 909 cine9 About 30-50%MTF of 1080P
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question... |
Uh..the Sony and other digitals can't display 1080p at 100% MTF. Not sure if you understand MTF..
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question... |
A "nearly 100% MTF" as you put it, isn't desirable to everyone.
There is such a thing as "too sharp" you know.
Why you are asking about MTF is beyond me. It just seems like you are scraping the bottom of a barrel looking at ways to point fingers further, and throw more mud.
I may not have had my account for long here, but the tension you and Diddern have been creating against CRT owners, with your almighty digital hailing is pretty unnerving, and almost enough to get me to stop paying attention to most of the discussion here.
I do not want to do such things. I'd just like justification for your shenanigans.
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Andreas21
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question... |
Uh..the Sony and other digitals can't display 1080p at 100% MTF. Not sure if you understand MTF.. |
I understand MTF, but do you??
I am not asking about the digitals, I am asking about the best CRTīs on how they display 1080p?
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