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thewolfman
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| redfox001 wrote: | He I looked up your camera it is a dsc w320 14,1 MP. Nice camera you found.
Where do you host your images? Tinypic?
The digital has no camera info. |
I don't host them anywhere, they are all on the pc. Original and resized.
Yeah, that camera was bought cheap for only 27 Euro used. I wan to buy a real good DSLR to make the shots more accurate but can't decide on which model.
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redfox001
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| thewolfman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | He I looked up your camera it is a dsc w320 14,1 MP. Nice camera you found.
Where do you host your images? Tinypic?
The digital has no camera info. |
I don't host them anywhere, they are all on the pc. Original and resized.
Yeah, that camera was bought cheap for only 27 Euro used. I wan to buy a real good DSLR to make the shots more accurate but can't decide on which model. |
Ok I see it now. You upload to the forum. After a few pictures I got the notification that I have no more space than I had to upload to TinyPic.
Your pictures are very sharp. Do you use all these newer version boards to achieve this? Newer video boards that I have too and even newer focus and hdm? Please share cause you do have something I think.
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Diddern
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| thewolfman wrote: | That's a good point about the monitor.. maybe that's it. I'm using 1080p right now but it is a 1200p from 2003 I think. HP2335.
I'll crank it up to 1200p some time and see if it goes away.. it's just that whenever the pj is hooked up to the pc 1200p goes away and get stuck with only 1080p. But I'll try and remember that for sure.
(I see pixels in my cartoon image as well, btw). |
Again picture looks fine, like I have saied all the time.
But in real you will never see it like this, then the pixels hehe.
And normally I never got it like this on a Crt.
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redfox001
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I asure you that the 3d depth and the real feeling is much better in real life. The shots can not show that. I like a crt when the person feels like they are in the room. With digital you can get a long way in that direction with CRT it just is there right away. Look also at the light in the digital pictures. Look at a shot from the sunlight. I know what I prefer.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | thewolfman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | He I looked up your camera it is a dsc w320 14,1 MP. Nice camera you found.
Where do you host your images? Tinypic?
The digital has no camera info. |
I don't host them anywhere, they are all on the pc. Original and resized.
Yeah, that camera was bought cheap for only 27 Euro used. I wan to buy a real good DSLR to make the shots more accurate but can't decide on which model. |
Ok I see it now. You upload to the forum. After a few pictures I got the notification that I have no more space than I had to upload to TinyPic.
Your pictures are very sharp. Do you use all these newer version boards to achieve this? Newer video boards that I have too and even newer focus and hdm? Please share cause you do have something I think. |
I remove the black borders from movies with a program called Handbrake, and with that freeing up like 30% otherwise wasted bandwidth(?) I always make sure everything is turned of when it's time to re-render the movies and always use max settings for everything else.
Before that I use Bitrate viewer to see how high the Bitrate is and go with the peak once rather then average that others do, and use that number with Handbrake.
I use the newer Ultra boards that I bought from Curt and images are posted after I got them.
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Andreas21
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| redfox001 wrote: | | I asure you that the 3d depth and the real feeling is much better in real life. The shots can not show that. I like a crt when the person feels like they are in the room. With digital you can get a long way in that direction with CRT it just is there right away. Look also at the light in the digital pictures. Look at a shot from the sunlight. I know what I prefer. |
Are you happy with your screenshots from Lucy?
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redfox001
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Curt did give you a fine set of boards 
But I still do not get. Your camera make 11,1 MegPixels and that must be something very high times very high. But your end picture is 1800x1013. I do not think we see pixelation of your camera but something made it 1800x1013. Is that the forum software? Do you upload in max size?
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redfox001
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | I asure you that the 3d depth and the real feeling is much better in real life. The shots can not show that. I like a crt when the person feels like they are in the room. With digital you can get a long way in that direction with CRT it just is there right away. Look also at the light in the digital pictures. Look at a shot from the sunlight. I know what I prefer. |
Are you happy with your screenshots from Lucy? |
Yeah they are allright. When I look at your shot from Baraka I see artificial sharpness. And somehow I do not like the picture do not know why. Qualia of the quick based lamp they use. Perhaps it is the lack of red in the lamp. Do not know. I liked the xenon better that is why I had the vw100.
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Andreas21
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | I asure you that the 3d depth and the real feeling is much better in real life. The shots can not show that. I like a crt when the person feels like they are in the room. With digital you can get a long way in that direction with CRT it just is there right away. Look also at the light in the digital pictures. Look at a shot from the sunlight. I know what I prefer. |
Are you happy with your screenshots from Lucy? |
Yeah they are allright. When I look at your shot from Baraka I see artificial sharpness. And somehow I do not like the picture do not know why. Qualia of the quick based lamp they use. Perhaps it is the lack of red in the lamp. Do not know. I liked the xenon better that is why I had the vw100. |
I donīt know how trans_lux set up his X500, but if you set it up correct it does not have artificial sharpness. One of the main problems I see with CRT is that they are very soft. Give me the exact moment of when you take yous shots of Lucy and I will see if I can take a shot of the same sonce you guys rely so much on screenshots for comparison.
When I look at your pictures from Lucy I see a very soft picture.
And the VW100 with a Xenon lamp is not what I call good picturequality compared to todays standards. And the Xenon lamp lost all of itīs brightness very fast, but you guys donīt care so much about brightness do you??
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thewolfman
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| redfox001 wrote: | Curt did give you a fine set of boards
But I still do not get. Your camera make 11,1 MegPixels and that must be something very high times very high. But your end picture is 1800x1013. I do not think we see pixelation of your camera but something made it 1800x1013. Is that the forum software? Do you upload in max size? |
That's absolutely right, I do use 11,1 megapixels and the 16:9 settings. Then I upload them to Paintshop where I can see many at a time and go with the best one. Then save them in 4320x2432 as they came out of the camera.
I then open up Paint to resize them to 1800 pix width because higher than that makes others have to open them up. The hight is left as is.
I can mail you the originals once if you like and you have look at them.
Somehow this feels like the wrong thread for this, but ok.
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redfox001
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Yes please mail. So than paint makes the pixels that the digital guys discovered 
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9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm !
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Yes the sharpness debate. When you make a picture of a woman you can use very bright lamps and make every imperfection on her skin visible or you can use the right kind of light. When I compare the everyday sharpness of my crt to my 4k television I do not feel it softer. Perhaps you never seen crt setup right? It is a hell of a job. Also I do not feel I miss light. Most scenes are in half darkness and than you need contrast and blacklevel. You digital guys want to have everything overexposed in bright light so you can say look at that sharpness! I want to say look at that girl and she jumping of the screen.
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Yes please mail. So than paint makes the pixels that the digital guys discovered |
I said I agree it is compession artifacts, I see the same on your picture if I zoom close enough and the same goes with the pictures I posted. To see pixels or lines you need to get your camera really up close to capture them in the screenshot.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Yes please mail. So than paint makes the pixels that the digital guys discovered |
Sure, I 'll do it. I took a screenie with Paintshop open just to show how close by the button is to make them sharper. I have tried once but the results were so off I didn't even bother to tell about it.
But since we are on the subject I'll try my best to enhance the Ceiling image and post. I want to know myself.
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| redfox001 wrote: | | Yes the sharpness debate. When you make a picture of a woman you can use very bright lamps and make every imperfection on her skin visible or you can use the right kind of light. When I compare the everyday sharpness of my crt to my 4k television I do not feel it softer. Perhaps you never seen crt setup right? It is a hell of a job. Also I do not feel I miss light. Most scenes are in half darkness and than you need contrast and blacklevel. You digital guys want to have everything overexposed in bright light so you can say look at that sharpness! I want to say look at that girl and she jumping of the screen. |
Your CRT has good on/off, but it does not have ansi contrast.
I see pictureas at about 16fl and that is ok if you look at the THX standard, and if you think a JVC X500 looks overexposed compared to your Cine 9 you are copletly wrong. The X500 is actually much better than any CRT when it comes to contrast and blacklevel in a movie, and also it is much brighter and it can be useful sometimes.
But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC
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| ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF??
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And normally I never got it like this on a Crt. |
And that's the real trick isn't it...
Not only do you need the right hardware but the set up is just as important.
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But this is a CRT forum so I donīt really think you guys would belive me anyway. But if you compare a JVC X500/700/900 against your Cine ) I am sure you would be surpriced. I know many former CRT owners who have left the CRT world and bought a JVC |
And you are finally starting to get it. Yes, this is a CRT forum and we do not care what you have to say. Frankly, I think it is funny how your little boy starts to cry and daddy has to try to come to his rescue. If you kept better control of your little boy and told him to not be going around and intentionally starting trouble, you would not have to try to clean up his mess.
And as far as your claim on crters who have went to digital, sure they have, but not for reasons of picture quality. Your claims that these particular digitals are superior to any CRT in all ways is also bogus and a lie. I repair projectors of both technologies every day and testing the image is part of that. So I can easily say that digital is not superior in every way. It has its faults just like CRT does.
BUT, as you have said, this is a CRT forum and you and your little boy coming here and trying to disrupt our forum is uncalled for and if you cannot realize that then we would have to throw all credibility of you and your boy right in the trash.
So now you and your boy have to decide. Do you want to stay here and keep arguing with everyone or bow out and go back to enjoying whatever it is you like best? Your choice.
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