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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Your Marquee might, but my CineMAX wont 
I went to redo zone focus just before, some zones do not adjust at all, where as the one right beside it will adjust just fine. There is some sort of issue with this machine.
Ill post a close up one on one off in a minute, took with the iPhone 4S, its not too bad, but im pretty dissapointed with it really, it just should be better....
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Here we are:
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| The waves i cant correct... On any source, varies in degree depending on resolution |
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
RUNCO DTV991 LC ( NEC XG 852 LC ) 100" 4:3 screen, H/K AVR 7.1...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Here are a couple more:
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| Green using an NEC test pattern |
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Im not sure how much my screen is affecting the 1 on 1 off ability....
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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All those done with PORT 5 on the CineMAX, direct from the video card via 5x quadshield 75ohm RG6 with compression fittings each end.
As ordinary as it is there, it is not that sharp via the Ext MOOME V3.
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Should probably add that it was 1920x1080 @72Hz...
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Is your green out of focus on the right side ?
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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I cannot see those weird lines in my setup !
You set everything to mid-position ?
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gjaky
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Case, the line distortion seems to me an LVPS (HVPS - Horizontal deflection interaction) problem, check when moving brighter windows on desktop would affect the distortion's degree and/or position.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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My green 1:1 look like this, hand held camera, cold projector, lower right corner.
188Mhz pixel clock
H total 2325
V total 1125
V rate 71.93
P19LCP tube
Ill try make a new shot when i get the new LUG tube in.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | | Is your green out of focus on the right side ? |
Yeah mate, there are a few zones that focus has no effect on. Most of the ones on the left work, and were very close anyway, but right and bottom are rather terrible. Hard to tell in the pic though cause its focus is on the 1 on 1 off lines.
Everything mid mate yep.
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Barco Cine 9, ,Sony VPL570ES 4K SXRD, 135" OZ Theatre Majestic 16:9 screen, Denon X6700in preamp mode, 2x 7ch Tonewinner amps, 2x Tonewinner 15" subs, 2x 10" subs, 7.2.6...
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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Are you using an external pattern generator or are those the internal ones.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thats the computer mate, no internal patterns like that in the CineMAX!! I use external patterns to setup and converge the Barco too.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | Case, the line distortion seems to me an LVPS (HVPS - Horizontal deflection interaction) problem, check when moving brighter windows on desktop would affect the distortion's degree and/or position. |
Yeah mate i dont know, the lines are extremely hard to see cause they move very fast, the waves pic is a static distortion thats worse on the right.
Mike will probably know when he sees it, from all ive read around since owning this rig he seems to be an expert on the 909...
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 5689
Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | | Is your green out of focus on the right side ? |
Yeah mate, there are a few zones that focus has no effect on. Most of the ones on the left work, and were very close anyway, but right and bottom are rather terrible. Hard to tell in the pic though cause its focus is on the 1 on 1 off lines.
Everything mid mate yep. |
What is the part number on the focus board (in the tray) in your Cine 9/909?
There are two different versions of the focus board for that set. The earlier one was replaced later with a focus board that had a larger black heat sink.
If you're using a PC as source, you're not going to get that pattern displayed properly until you replace the filters on the video card with ones that better suit the resolution. That's what we had to do with the Moome cards.
It's been a few years since working on these, and I have very few parts left.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:44 am Post subject: |
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I will have to check it out in a few days for you Mike, ive got perfect stability in alot of zones, it seems the flicker and juddering is worse in some zones. Hard to say. Its a July 2001 model.
The video card is just new, they are all aimed at 1920x1080p these days apparently.
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ronaldus
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Hi Stridsvognen,
Where do you get that test pattern from.
I would like to test my 9500lc too to see how far I'm off because is till need to do some mods and I think my sharpness is not as good as yours The smallest lines are one pixel of on in a 1080 screen?
Mike
I have a moome V3 ext so if i understand this one has also not the best bandwidth? I compared it with a direct vga output of my macbook pro (2007 model) and the moome was sharper.
Regards
Ron.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Macbooks are kid's toys at best, PC is an acronym for "proper computer"...
Try to get yourself a MOOME internal, youll be happy with it.
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AnalogRocks
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Macbooks are kid's toys at best, PC is an acronym for "proper computer"...
Try to get yourself a MOOME internal, youll be happy with it. |
Steve in 3....2....1...
High 5! 
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km987654
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Macbooks are kid's toys at best, PC is an acronym for "proper computer"...
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